Your rugby laws questions answered
- 6 Feb 07, 12:13 PM
Thanks to everyone who sent in their laws questions last week. It was an eventful first week in the Six Nations, that's for sure.
We had plenty of questions on all sorts of subjects, including lots of comments on .
Unfortunately myself and my fellow referee Hugh Watkins cannot comment on the rights and wrongs of individual decisions from matches - our job is to help clarify points of law which can be difficult to understand.
Anyway onto my answers - in no particular order...
Q: Joe Cullen - I've heard that you can legally pass the ball forward in the dead-ball area (behind the tryline) . Is this true?
A: No this is not true at all Joe. You can still be off-side, knock the ball on or forward pass in in-goal. So whoever told you that is wrong, so now you can put them right, OK?!
Q: Andy - If a player drops the ball and it initially goes backwards, but then rolls forward in front of the player, is this classed as a knock-on?
A: If it goes forward first, then backwards, it's a knock-on. But if it first goes backwards then forward, then it is play on.
Q: George - I agree with the introduction of the to encourage safety for the two front-rows. But what is the point if it merely requires props to slap each other's forearms before engaging?
Are refs encouraged to check that the props are close enough to touch shoulders? As a prop it would be good to hear a professional ref's opinion.
A: You are right that props are required to touch each other on the shoulder, not on the forearms before engaging. Maybe this is something we all as referees need to be more aware of and make sure that they comply with this particular law.
Q: Rob H - When the ball comes out of the back of a past the back foot, is it legal to come round to retrieve the ball or are you still off-side for coming round as the scrum-half hasn't picked it up?
My son has been penalised for coming round but the ball is obviously out!
A: Good one! The difference is that if you are already in an off-side position then you cannot be put on-side when the ball comes out.
But if you are on-side ie behind or along side the hindmost foot of your last team-mate in the ruck, then you are allowed to come around and play the ball or tackle the player who has it. So tell your son to make sure he stays on-side and he should be fine!
Q: Rich - Does the attacking team decide from which side to put the ball in at a scrum? Is there a set rule? I was taught at school that the attacking team always puts the ball in from their left. Is that correct?
A: Well you are right to an extent, nearly every is taught to feed the ball to the side of their loose-head prop in the scrum.
But the laws allow the ball to be put in at either side of the scrum. So try it next time during a match and see what happens. It's a law that not many people are sure of.
Q: Simon Richards - Can a player run off the pitch deliberately in injury time (after 80 minutes) if they want to end the game off quickly? I thought they had to kick it out of play to finish the game.
A: Hi Simon, I take it you mean they run off the pitch with the ball? You can end the game when time is up by running off the field into touch or kicking it. But don't throw it off or you will be penalised! Otherwise a player is only allowed to leave the field of play during a game with the referee's permission.
Q: Ollie - I was just wondering if you are allowed to wear blades in rugby? What studs are you not allowed?
A: Yes you can wear blades as long as they are not plastic. The studs must be no more than 21mm length and the diameter no less than 13mm on the top. But double check the sizes to make sure. They cannot be plastic either.
Q: Tom - Are scrum-halves allowed to do dummies when feeding the ball into the scrum, as in pretend to put the ball in but don't? As a scum-half I was penalised for telling the ref that the opposition scrum-half was doing it!
A: No, you are not allowed to dummy the ball into the scrum. So you were right - but you may have been penalised for the way you 'informed' the referee!
Q: John - Can someone please explain the law? If a player takes a punt up field and it goes over the dead-ball line, there is a scrum taken from where the kick was taken.
What happens if that goes through the sticks? If you take a shot at a drop-goal and it misses by a mile, why is there a but not a scrum from the point where the drop-goal was attempted?
A: Well John the law was brought in to prevent aimless kicking and encourage players to run with the ball more. As the law deems you to be attempting a drop-goal, it does not penalise you if you miss, so that's why a 22-yard is award and not a scrum.
Q: Alasdair - What exactly are the rules regarding ? I have always been told that if a player was bleeding, whether a large or small amount, they must immediately leave the field of play to be attended. But sometimes referees ignore this rule - why?
A: The common sense approach is if the blood injury is a small gash and can be treated and stopped quickly, then referees will tend to allow it to be treated there and then.
But you are right - an open wound requires the player to leave the field of play and get it treated.
Q: Allan Peter Carter - Do referees realise that if a small player has pulled down a large and heavy opponent and is stuck underneath the said tackled player, it is a physical impossibility to !
A: Yes but just remember that both players should be making an effort to move away. If I told the small player that there was poisonous snake hiding underneath him then I am pretty sure he would be able to move very quickly!
But I take your point and sometimes no matter what size the player is, it can be difficult to roll away from a tackle. So the referee should deal with that situation differently. But believe me, experience says they can roll away on most occasions.
Q: Trevor Paynter - In ruck situations, why are forwards allowed to block opponents and to tackle opponents who do not have the ball, thus protecting their team-mate who is in possession?
If a three-quarter ran 30-yards to tackle an opposite number without the ball he would be booed off the field. Yet in every game forwards get away with playing the opponent and not the ball.
A: The reason for this is that in a ruck you are allowed to drive opposition players off over the ball, thus allowing you to win it back in that ruck. But this can only be done in a ruck within a one-metre or so circle.
Q: Alex - The entire Italian front-row was replaced together during the Italy v France game on Saturday. I recall that you were not allowed to do this. Is this true?
A: Well you can change all three front-row players at the same time, but one of them must be replaced rather than substituted.
So if you are a subsituted front-row player, you can return to replace another injured front-row player. But if you are replaced it means you are injured and therefore cannot take any further part in the game. Hope that answers yours question Alex.
Thanks for all your questions this week - don't forget myself and Hugh Watkins will be on hand throughout the duration to the Six Nations to answer your questions about the laws.
Wales 27-18 England
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Regarding the England v Scotland game, I found the referee to be excellent in his handling of the players. They seemed to respect his decisions. Would the video referee have to be from the same union as the on field referee and line judges? Is it not feasible for the on field referee to view the replay of any such incident (the disputed try) on the big screen and make his decision accordingly? Was there any significance in the video referee's choice of words: "you MAY award a try" ? May the team captains dispute the video referee's decision based on what transpires on the big screen?
Many thanks
David
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What happens if from a scrum where the team in possession is kicking for touch, and the fly-half is kicking from behind the tryline, but when he receives the ball from the no9 he drops it and knocks it on?
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I would like to comment on the question that Trevor Paynter asked!! Q: Trevor Paynter - In ruck situations, why are forwards allowed to block opponents and to tackle opponents who do not have the ball, thus protecting their team-mate who is in possession?
I think Nigel Owens, only half answered the question. The part that I would like him to answer is the part; why are forwards allowed to block opponents? in my view Trevor was referring to when a ruck has been formed, teams put (blockers) on either side of the ruck, they are not bound on, or doing anything other than standing there to protect the scrumhalf, and there possession.
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How long do we have to suffer the ludicrous law at the scrum?
I have never seen or been part of so many collapsed scrums in all my 34 years of playing. In my humble opinion it has increased the risk of injury to props. What was wrong with grabbing the opposite props shoulder at the crouch, and sliding the grip to the back during the engage, this ensures the correct distance is maintained throughout the contact and greatly reduces either side from stepping back which is the real cause of injuries coupled with the fact that referees are ignorant of what really happens in the front row despite their saying otherwise.
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Law 19.9(i) Jumping or supporting before the ball is thrown. A player
must not jump for the ball or support any player before the ball
has left the hands of the player throwing it in.
In all the weekend games this seemed to be happening all the time and was only penalised once. It was blatent all the timem so why were the refs, for the most part, not enforcing this Law?
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In the Wales v Ireland match, Wales had a penalty which James Hook was to take, and kick up field for a lineout. Hook to a step forward holding the ball out as if about to kick it without actually doing so. O'Gara then sprinted forward and was allowed to tackle Hook although he had not kicked or tapped the ball. The ref said he had presented the ball and it was therefore in play. I thought that from a penalty the foot had to be used to bring the ball back in to play? Please Clarify.
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number 3: If the ball is knocked on in the in goal area by the defending team the Ref awards a 5m scrum to the opposition. If an attacking team drops the ball in goal i believe it is a 22 drop out.
One question I'd like to ask refers to the number 8 binding. My understanding is that he/she should be bound by one full arm (i.e shoulder to hand). Is this correct? And then if he/she then binds by elbow to hand with the ball at his/her feet the ball is therefore out of the scrum? I ask as being a back row player have have played at the ball from flanker (having being bound legally) in this situation and been penalised.
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number 8 in reply to number 3. I think you'll find that if an attacking side drops the ball in goal a five metre scrum to the defending side will ensue. In the same way if an attacker knocks the ball on and it crosses the goal line to be touched down by a defender that will also be a five metre scrum. To give a 22 metre drop out would be deemed to be too much advantage to the defending side.
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The JW try that wasn't a try situation again. I didn't hear the ref's request of the TMO.
Am I right in saying that the TMO may only respond to the direct question of the ref.
EG if the ref asks to check the grounding. The TMO may only comment on the grounding even if he has spotted a blatant offside or even a foot in touch.
Secondly, (and this is a very vague recollection)did I hear that the TMO can only comment on events beyond the try line.
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In international matches where the crowd are making a lot of noise how do Refs hear the call of 'Mark' when a player is taking a high ball? Do they just guess by looking at the player's body language ?
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What are defenders in a maul instructed to "Get back onside" even when they are bound properly to the maul and the only offence is for the maul to have rotated round putting them past some imaginary halfway line?
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how is Steve Walsh going to be impartial this weekend when the media has bombarded all refs with the 'cheating irish' rubbish.
Do you watch videos of games you have officiated in to see what you would have done differently?
Have you ever seen anything that afterwards you thought- I really got that one wrong?
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Law 3.5(c) When 19, 20, 21 or 22 players are nominated in a team there must be five players who can play in the front row to ensure that on the first occasion that a replacement hooker is required and, on the first occasion that a replacement prop forward is required, the team can continue to play safely with contested scrums.
Replacements for England v Italy 10/2
16 Lee Mears (Bath Rugby
17 Julian White Leicester Tigers
18 Tom Palmer (London WaspS)
19 Tom Rees (London Wasps)
20 Shaun Perry (Bristol Rugby)
21 Toby Flood (Newcastle Falcons)
22 Mathew Tait (Newcastle Falcons)
I do not see five front row players there. Comment please.
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#14 the three front row on the pitch count.
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Long ago in my playing days I understood that if a referee awarded a penalty at the end of a half he allowed time for the penalty to taken, but in addition if the ball was kicked direct to touch from the penalty he also had to allow time for the linout to take place. Is this still the case?
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In response to number 7's query regarding James Hook being charged by O'Gara, it's important to note that it was a free kick to Wales and not a penalty.
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When a player is sent to the sin bin is the time they are in counted from eg 1510 to 1520 or if the game is stopped for some reason is that time added to the 10 mins.
Regards
Roger Dodson
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#2: Would the video referee have to be from the same union as the on field referee and line judges? No
Is it not feasible for the on field referee to view the replay of any such incident (the disputed try) on the big screen and make his decision accordingly?
I would suggest that if the referee can see that it is not a try, he shouldn't give a try no matter what the TMO says.
Was there any significance in the video referee's choice of words: "you MAY award a try" ? I don't know. I think the wording is used so that there is no ambiguity in what the TMO is saying.
May the team captains dispute the video referee's decision based on what transpires on the big screen? No
#3: If the kicker knocks on in the in-goal area, the decision is a 5-metre scrum to the attacking side.
#4: If a player is not bound onto a ruck, he must retreat to an onside position, ie the hindmost foot.
#5: "Grabbing the opposite props shoulder at the crouch" was a law at U-19 level only. The new 4-step Crouch-Touch-Pause-Engage sequence is to be used at all levels.
The props must touch each others shoulders with the palms of their hands, pull the hand away, keep it at shoulder height for the pause, and then wait for the engage call.
#6: The penalty for this is a free kick. Referees will let it go if it is immaterial, but should warn the offender(s) that it is not to continue. If both sides are jumping early, the ref should stop the line-out and get it taken again. Any more transgressions from either side should be free-kicked. Also, remember a referee is entitled to upgrade a free kick to a penalty for persistent infringements.
#7: Once a player moves forward to the mark for a free kick, the kick may be charged down. If the player is stopped from taking the free kick, a scrum is awarded to the team not in posession.
#8: One question I'd like to ask refers to the number 8 binding. My understanding is that he/she should be bound by one full arm (i.e shoulder to hand). Is this correct? Yes
And then if he/she then binds by elbow to hand with the ball at his/her feet the ball is therefore out of the scrum? Yes again.
#10: The referee should say: "Do you see any reason why I should not award this try?" I believe the TMO can only respond to the referees question, so the above question to the TMO should cover everything.
did I hear that the TMO can only comment on events beyond the try line.No, the TMO can comment on events outside in-goal, for example, knock on, foot in touch.
#12: There are two off-side lines parallel to the goal-lines,
one for each team. Each off-side line runs through the hindmost foot of
the hindmost player in the maul. If a player ends up in front of the other team's offside line, he must disengage from the maul and rejoin from behind the foot of the hindmost team-mate in the maul.
#16: If time expires and the ball is not dead, or an awarded scrum or line-out has not been completed the referee allows play to continue until the next time that the ball becomes dead. If time expires and a mark, free kick or penalty kick is then awarded, the referee allows play to continue.
If the time expires before a penalty is awarded, the ensuing line-out cannot be taken. The referee should inform the captain that this is the case.
#18: When a player is sin-binned, the period of suspension is measured by a stop clock. In other words, if the referee stops his watch for an injury or any other reason, the sin-bin clock also stops.
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Do quickly taken lineouts(ie thrown to ones self) need to be straight?
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I'm jumping at number two in the line-out and want to try taping my legs to help with the lift. what's the best way to do this?
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Two points. The first is I noticed recently a player following up a kick ahead who instead of catching the ball slapped it over the head of the opposition then caught it before it grounded,and carried on to score a try. Is there a rule which allows the ball to be thrown forward and caught by the same player which doesn't infringe the forward pass law. In other words, what's to prevent a player throwing the ball over the head of the opposition and then catching it?
My second point is could someone please explain to me why the English backs lay so flat that when the ball is passed down the line each receiver is stood still. The whole back line moves laterally with the danger of an interception.I appreciate that people are obsessed with getting over the gain line. But passing the ball to th large backs such as Mike Tindall is a waste time unless he is moving.Look how the Irish and the French backs lie nice and deep so that when the get the ball they are going almost flat out making it much easier to wrong foot the opposition.
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A question - Can the attacking team stand as close to the line out as they please. I.E Can you pop the ball from a jumper who is still air bourne to a winger who has made a run forwards?
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Chris - no you can't. All players not taking part in the lineout must remain at least 10 metres back from it until the lineout is over (ie until the ball is advanced or knocked back, or travels 15 metres infield). A single receiver / scrum-half on either side is considered to be taking part in the lineout and can stand off from it by a couple of metres or so to take a tap-down. But your winger could only start to run forward once the jumper had played the ball backwards - otherwise they'd be offside.
Also on lineouts - Gareth, yes, quick throw-ins (whether to yourself or a team-mate)do need to be straight although most refs allow a bit of latitude over ones that go backwards. Forward throw-ins are obviously a no-no.
Finally, where's Nige gone? I'm only a humble lower league ref...
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Hi
If a player has been penalised and shown the Yellow card by the ref and has asked theplayer to leave the field of play for 10 mins, can he then change his mind call the player back and issue him a red card?
Look forward to your response
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hi-what is the rule about kicking in your own 22? It is because I have seen players get penalised for taking the ball into the 22 and kicking it, but getting it passed back to them and not get penalised? thanks.
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Clearing the Ruck - the "1 metre" rule...
Nigel, I can't find this rule anywhere. The laws clearly state what is and isn't to happen in a ruck. Anyone not bound to the ruck, who is ahead of the rearmost foot of the hindmost player is offside, and must be penalised unless they retreat immediately without obstructing the oppositio. Given that it is almost impossible not to impede the opposition, (by for example restricting the view of the scrum half, and so preventing an aggressive defence, then the one metre rule seems completely spurious.
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I know that the laws state that no one who is in a ruck can use their hands to move the ball. I am wondering why so many players, on the attacking side, seem to use their hands after the ruck has formed. Has the IRB made a new interpretation of the law that I am not aware of? Thank you
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i'm the hooker for my local team and i just wanted to know if in a scrum, if the opponent hooks the ball, am i allowed to try and get it back? because i managed to stretch out and steal it back just before the number 8 got a hold of it, and i wanted to know if it was legal?
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hi, when is the ball out of the ruck. in some games you see the scrumhalf passing the ball straight away. other times the s/half will stand over the ball getting ready to pass and looking for options ie a runner.sometimes he is there for several seconds before passing when is it deemed out.
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hi, why are there different laws for kids on a saturday [school game] and sunday. my son plays under 12s, on a saturday he can hand off and have a full pack .then he plays the next
day he cant hand off and has 6 in the pack. this game is hard enough to play with all the laws as it is. the people at the top need to have a very hard look at the laws and them selves. thanks from a very frustrated parent
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Can you please explain the laws concerning a player dropping onto the floor to gather a loose ball. In the past I was taught the player should be allowed to rise before he could be tackled. My understanding now is that the opposition player can wrestle for the ball immediately he reaches the player on the ground as he is obliged to immediately get up or release the ball do I understand this correctly? This surely means this technique should not be taught to young players who rarely get up quickly enough to be on their feet before others arrive.
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Just a quik question, I have always been of the impression that when a penalty is awarded and subsequently kicked into touch, the lineout is part of the penalty, thus the ball cannot go dead even if 80 mins has passed? Topical this week.
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who takes the line outs backs or fronts
thanks
M@TT
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If a player CATCHES AN UP AND UNDER FRO9M THE OPPOSITYION AND GOES BACK INTO HIS 25 METER LINE CAN HE KICK IT OUT ON THE FULL?
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If a player CATCHES AN UP AND UNDER FRO9M THE OPPOSITYION AND GOES BACK INTO HIS 25 METER LINE CAN HE KICK IT OUT ON THE FULL?
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In a lineout, if the team throwing in, called for a two man line out, would the scrum half be allowed to jump into the line and either jump or lift the jumper?
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is a pass that is at 90 degrees to the touch line a forward pass?
Can a player who deliberately runs in front of the ball carrier as a decoy runner be deemed to be off side?
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Hey, I am new to rugby and just do not know how to distinguish rugby union from rugby league
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how do you become and international ref what do you need to do is it hard
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how do you become a international ref do you need to do a corse
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i should take part in rugby because i wanted to learn.
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i have searched and searched, but not been able to find anything on the subject of extra time. what would happen if both teams are level at the end of the alloted extra time? is there some form of drop-goal contest?
thanks
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what whould happen if the blue team kicked the ball it went behind the reds coal line and the blue team tuched the ball the same time as the red team whould it be a try or a 22 drop out from joe
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who do u think beter gavin henson or jonny wilckson
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Hey, I am new to rugby and just do not know how to distinguish rugby union from rugby league
In rugby league, there are numbered lines painted every 10 meters. In rugby union, teams push and contest the ball in the scrum. Needless to say, union is better.
how do you become a international ref do you need to do a corse
Most referees start out having had a successful playing career. The first course is the National Foundation Course, then there are different levels of refereeing, culmination in ultimately being accepter by the National Panel of referees. See the RFU website for details
i have searched and searched, but not been able to find anything on the subject of extra time. what would happen if both teams are level at the end of the alloted extra time? is there some form of drop-goal contest?
thanks
The rules differ between tournaments, as the specifics here are determined by the tournament organiser. Normally, there are two 10 minutes halves of extra time. If the sides still draw after that, there are two 10 minuute halves of sudden death extra time (first team to score wins). If no team then wins, there is a place kicking competition, with each team selecting 5 kickers to attempt place kicks from the center of the 22-meter line. Sudden death kicking would then follow, exactly like a football penalty shootout.
what whould happen if the blue team kicked the ball it went behind the reds coal line and the blue team tuched the ball the same time as the red team whould it be a try or a 22 drop out from joe
This situation is very unlikely. Video referees will find out easily which team touched the ball down. I, as a referee, would tend to be biased towards the defending side, if there is no obvious difference.
who do u think beter gavin henson or jonny wilckson
Jonny Wilkinson. Definitely
I hope to have been of some use to everybody - Joel Taylor, 16, level 10 Referee
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joel, you sir, are a legend. I thought id done well being a level one coach at 17, you put me to shame
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i was just wondering if you are allowed too wear plastic moulded studs for rugby ?
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Is the Rugby World Cup League or Union?
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Hi
During the Wales vs England slaughter I noticed several time the English ball carrier had upto 2 team mates bind on to him prior to contact with any Welsh player , and form a sort of mini flying wedge , I thought this was not allowed ?
Please advise
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22-yards???
Has your expert ref not heard that the game uses metres!?-
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Just noticed that some teams have 5 points in the table, while others only have 4 points, even though they have the same number of match wins. Also noticed France have 1 point in the table, even though they lost their game.
How does the point system in the table work? Sorry if this is obvious, novice here :-)
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What do the winning and/or losing teams get bonus point for?
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I am confused, re. heading the ball.
In Law 7 (IRC) playing the ball with your head is not mentioned.
Please advice. Thanks Jimme
Law 7 Mode of Play
PLAYING A MATCH
A match is started by a kick off.
After the kick off, any player who is onside may take the ball and
run with it.
Any player may throw it or kick it.
Any player may give the ball to another player.
Any player may tackle, hold or push an opponent holding the ball.
Any player may fall on the ball.
Any player may take part in a scrum, ruck, maul or lineout.
Any player may ground the ball in in-goal.
Whatever a player does must be in accordance with the laws of the
game.
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Can you explain the extra point in the World Cup
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What does BP mean in the score table? (is it break point maybe?) And how is such a point scored? Cheers, T.
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How do they score the points in the tables? France and Ireland both played 3 won 2 lost 1 but France are a point ahead! Presumably you get bonus points or something. What for? Stupid system - a win is a win full stop. Take a leaf out of football's book - 1-0 is same as 5-0! Both are wins, both are 3 points! Simple, straight forward and sensible!
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How do they score the points in the tables? France and Ireland both played 3 won 2 lost 1 but France are a point ahead! Presumably you get bonus points or something. What for? Stupid system - a win is a win full stop. Take a leaf out of football's book - 1-0 is same as 5-0! Both are wins, both are 3 points! Simple, straight forward and sensible!
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What are the extra points awarded for the winning team, and loosing teams?
(I know its 3 points for a win)
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Hi
discussion ongoing around the office regarding head injuries.
if a player is knocked out during a game he obviously leaves that game but how long before he can return to playing
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Can you answer me this question?
If the full time has been played in a rugby union world cup final and the scores are equal who would win the cup or would it be shared.
This will settle an arguement
Many thanks Graham Johnson
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Can you answer me this question?
If the full time has been played in a rugby union world cup final and the scores are equal who would win the cup or would it be shared.
This will settle an arguement
Many thanks Graham Johnson
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Bon Dia!
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Contrary to popular belief, the end of the year is one of the best times to look for, awesome descion
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Hi i'm new to rugby. my local team southend play in national league 2, another team near to me is westcliff who play in London 3 North East.
how does the pyramid system work and how many promotions if possible are westcliff from playing southend.
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when kicking a penalty or a conversion how high are you allowed a tee to be?
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Can the refree interfeer with the touch Judges call. E.g When the Touch Judge has called touch in goal and you have doubts about that and g the refree goes to the TMO. Can you do that?
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Use of Padding (in union)
20 years ago, as a lad living in Wales (when rugby was on the timetable), I was told that the wearing of padding was for 'wimps' and only allowed if the articles outline could be seen through the shirt. The use of head protection only allowed, exceptionally, with a doctors note.
Now apart from the technical aspects of the game rugby is mental - do you have the guts to hit and more importantly the guts to TAKE a hit.
From a personnal point of view I refuse to wear protection for the reasons outlined above but the hits I have received since the game went professional and the use of padding became had become the norm has been quite noticable.
I would be interested on other peoples views - especially if a comment could be made from someone high up in the game.
Cheers
Matt
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Hello,
At the weekend I was playing rugby union, the opposing team got a penalty and decided to kick it into touch.
I decided to charge this down.
I started 10 meters back, and I am sure i have heard somewhere that as soon as the kicker makes any movement to kick you can attack, however the referee told me i couldn't!
Can anyone tell me the actual rule to this? (Is it for free kicks maybe?)
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above you said there is off sides in the dead ball area. i thought that you are not off side if the ball is in that area and the back foot for rucks and mauls do not apply
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If the ball is kicked directly into touch from outside your own 22 the line out is where you kicked the ball from. If however the ball went into touch behind the kicker, for instance a box kick caught up in a strong wind where would the line out be taken??
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Would you please explain the rule regarding points difference in the 6 nations competition. Wales have a points difference of +65 and France's is in the +20,s. I am told for France to win the championship they need to beat Wales by 20 points. I dont understand how this is arrived at. Please explain. Many thanks.
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France need to beat W by 20 pouint, adding 20 to their total & taking 20 off W'S lol!
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can you take a quick tap penalty more than once
ie if the defending team dosent retreat 10 meters sorry for wot pos is a stupid question
many thanks
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