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Roy and PR

• Message 1. 

  Posted by The Anti-Ruth (U2367132) on Wednesday, 13th December 2006

  Please see relevant part from post below from my entry on Discuss the Archers, which someone helpfully suggested I post here instead as more likely to generate a reply:
  
  Re Maledicted's post 29.
  
  .......
  
  You did however get me thinking, has Roy even got parental responsibility for Phoebe? I know he and Kate weren't married, and Phoebe is older than the law change providing this to fathers on birth certificates. So the only way he would have it is either if Kate shared it with him in a formal agreement, or if he obtained a residence order for Phoebe. I can't see Kate being mainstream enough to execute a PR agreement. And I have cast my mind back but can't recall whether the issue re Phoebe's rsidence ever went to court, I have a feeling that Kate gave up the fight for residence. Can anyone enlighten me as to the status of Feebs' residence so i can sleep tonight, knowing that Roy has full PR for his daughter?

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  Posted by Borrowed Time (U864463) on Wednesday, 13th December 2006

  I am sure that the matter got as far as court and Kate was forbidden to take Feebs away. However, as she has subseuently been to SA on hols, I guess that the court order has elapsed.

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  Posted by The Anti-Ruth (U2367132) on Wednesday, 13th December 2006

  Thank you, I could not recall if court had ever been involved but it sounds like it was.
  
  I suspect the order you mention referred to permanent removal from the jurisdiction, rather than on holiday, and that would have been a separate order from the residence order in any event. So it looks like I can sleep easy tonight, knowing Roy can decide which school to send Phoebe to!! PHEW!!!

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  Posted by smarttedebear (U3614285) on Wednesday, 13th December 2006

  Kate does just what she likes so I think much of what has been written is correct, but, irrelevant as far as Kate is concerned. She is totally selfish, self centred, hypocritical, spoilt, and lives off everyone else. (sorry to spoil your good night's sleep Anti-Ruth).

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  Posted by Blue Moon (U6160873) on Wednesday, 13th December 2006

  I am sure that Roy was represented by Usha and court action was raised. I don't remember how it was resolved, but I see that someone says Kate threw in the towel. In RL a solicitor acting for a client in that situation should not simply allow the proceedings to drop without either getting a court order in their client's favour or arranging a parental responsibilities agreement with the non-custodial parent....so as Usha is "super-solicitor", I am betting on there being a court order or an agreement in place.

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  Posted by NB100 (U2268668) on Thursday, 14th December 2006

  Back in July 1998, before Phoebe had even been named, Kate tried to take her out of the country to (I think Holland) but Roy got a court injunction stopping her. It was served by Steve Abott (played by Andy Hockley).
  
  Now I'm digging back in my memory, but I think at the time Kate was claiming that someone else was Phoebe's father. Roy had to go to court to get paternity rights. I thought that when Kate swanned off to South Africa she left Phoebe with Roy without any court intervention - realising she would not win, and not wanting a baby in tow to cramp her style.
  
  Luv Psi-5

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  Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Thursday, 14th December 2006

  Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:59:54 GMT, In reply to: Scot Mum
  
  I am sure that Roy was represented by Usha... 
  
  I'm not sure about that - wasn't it in a similar timeframe to when Roy was in court for his part in throwing acid in Usha's face? Certainly not more than a year or two later...

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  Posted by rosietonthemove (U2260932) on Thursday, 14th December 2006

  I think - Kate tried to take Phoebe out of the country when Roy was contesting paternity. He apologised awkwardly to Usha for his part in the Spanner and Craven gang racism to her, and she got a court order, delivered by police in the queue for the ferry. Nexttime she told him she was taking Phoebe travelling, he agreed to her going. 3 weeks later she rang Brian in a panic, Feebs was ill. B. Flew her back home, and not long after she dumped Phoebe on Roy, as she "had to go and find herself."

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  Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Thursday, 14th December 2006

  Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:04:29 GMT, In reply to: rosietonthemove
  
  "had to go and find herself." 
  
  Indeed. With three different actresses I would think that would be a mighty task.

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  Posted by rosietonthemove (U2260932) on Thursday, 14th December 2006

  When Kate suggetsed she take Feebs for a holiday in SA, and Lucas found she had only a single ticket, Roy feared she wouldn't return his daughter, but it was Jennifer who reassured him by lecturing Kate, and suggesting SHE take PHoebe on hols to Kate's. Don't remember if Roy has residence order, but the IVF stuff about having a child living with them may indicate this is the case?

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  Posted by The Anti-Ruth (U2367132) on Thursday, 14th December 2006

  Ta to all who have contributed. it does seem as though there was some court action, and as someone pointed out any competent solicitor would have ensured whatever the outcome that PR would have been obtained.
  
  Phew, a good night's sleep coming up then!!
  
  BTW, I was shocked to hear Roy chucked acid in Usha's face!!!! This was clearly during one of those short periods that I get so fed up with stories I stop listening for a month or two. My next note and query is therefore, can someone tell me what happened!!!!

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  Posted by E Yore (U1479700) on Thursday, 14th December 2006

  Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:58 GMT, in reply to The Anti-Ruth in message 11
  
  Roy didn't chuck acid in Usha's face but he was associated with the yobs who did, and he was responsible insofar as he let slip that there was an Asian living in the village and at what address. He was horrified at the incident: Usha was leaving the Bull when acid was thrown in her eyes.
  
  Roy felt deep guilt, confessed his involvement to and had a row with Mike, who couldn't see that reading the Mail & making comments about too many foreigners was an example to Roy. In the end, Roy shopped and testified against his former buddies, at the insistence of Kate (for once she did something good.) IIRC, she borrowed a nice outfit from Debbie, removed nose-rings et al. to go to court with Roy & give a good impression.
  
  Possibly the only time she did anything selfless.
  
  HTH

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  Posted by The Anti-Ruth (U2367132) on Friday, 15th December 2006

  Thanks Eyore. Had no idea he had been mixed up, but glad that he immediately realised the full enormity of what happened.
  
  Yet another good night's sleep ahead (if my hangover will let me).

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  Posted by mike (U2254029) on Friday, 15th December 2006

  Mike has never read the Mail. He's a Labour, Mirror-reading working class racist, not a Tory one.

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  Posted by mike (U2254029) on Friday, 15th December 2006

  PS, It's possible (I think) that (legally) Roy and Kate have joint custody. Kate voluntarily left Phoebe with Roy when she went back to Africa after the Phoebe/health scarfe. As I recall it the court action was limited to (i) proving Roy's paternity and (ii) stopping Kate remove Phoebe from the UK without Roy's consent.

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  Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Friday, 15th December 2006

  Once a racist, I feel. Whatever newspaper(s) is/are read

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