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Marriage Guidance?
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by stolenkisses (U6230663) on Friday, 16th February 2007
Can anyone remember which female character once attended marriage guidance - possibly in the 80s or early 90s?
I thought I recalled Pat doing this when she was seduced away from Tony by Roger, but elsewhere I have been told she never actually had an affair.
What struck me particularly at the time was the one-sided nature of the conselling sessions, as the TA budget didn't seem to stretch to an additional actor, so the counsellor never spoke. Really didn't work for me - I have been a MG counsellor in the distant past.
Am I just imagining this? Could it have been Kathy?
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Message 2
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Friday, 16th February 2007
Kathy went for counselling of some point - after her affair with Dave Barry but before Sid found out
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Message 3
Posted by Bushbaby (U2267041) on Friday, 16th February 2007
Kathy did go for counselling - on Pat's recommendation - but not sure whether she saw a marriage guidance counsellor. She went to try to come to terms with her feelings of guilt, following her affair.
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Message 4
Posted by Gene Bailey (U2924633) on Sunday, 18th February 2007
by Roger, but elsewhere I have been told she never actually had an affair.Ìý
I think that Pat did have an affair with Roger, as I recall her conversation with Tony about working together to get through the crisis. It was the start of their Organic enterprise, and seemed wacky at the time. However, I don't think Pat ever admitted to an affair, a bit like Elizabeth's association with Hugh, about the time that Lilly'n'Freddy were conceived. By way of contrast, Roof has admitted everthing to Deevid, although no actual rumpy-pumpy ever occurred. -
Message 5
Posted by ExTAlistener (U3058291) on Sunday, 18th February 2007
And yes, silences were the order of the day - to the extent that eventually Kathy said that the counsellor didn't say very much, but was a very good listener!
The sessions also allowed Kathy to think about her work situation - after leaving Borchester Grammar for a head of dept job at the local comp, the two Borchester comprehensives merged, causing her problems. -
Message 6
Posted by stolenkisses (U6230663) on Sunday, 18th February 2007
I'm glad to know my memory is not imaginary- does anyone know when this would have been?
IRL even counsellors that expect the client to do all the work are not completely silent - they atill make the little mmhmm and listening noises.
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Message 7
Posted by stolenkisses (U6230663) on Sunday, 18th February 2007
I think that Pat did have an affair with Roger,Ìý
Well that's what I thought I remembered - but maybe it was an inappropriate friendship that was never actually consummated?
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Message 8
Posted by ExTAlistener (U3058291) on Sunday, 18th February 2007
Not always, actually...!!
I think in late 1990 - as it would have been between the involvement with Dave Barry (early 1990) and Sid finding out about it (early 1991)... -
Message 9
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Sunday, 18th February 2007
Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:04 GMT, in reply to stolenkisses in message 7
As I remember we got the impression that Pat was very close to Roger and coming home late, but we never heard from him so we never knew either way for sure -
Message 10
Posted by stolenkisses (U6230663) on Monday, 19th February 2007
Not always, actually...!!
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Really? You sound as if you are talking from experience - I'd be interested to know what kind of counsellors work this way?
As I say, I was a MG counsellor myself during the 80s and we were encouraged to 'feed back' to clients what they were saying to us, so quite a bit of interaction.
When it was Kathy on the radio, the total silence of the counsellor made it impossible for me to imagine that he/she was actually sitting there - and presumably there was no actor: so it felt very unreal.
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Message 11
Posted by Gene Bailey (U2924633) on Monday, 19th February 2007
but maybe it was an inappropriate friendship that was never actually consummated?
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To settle this speculation, I've cheated and looked in "The Book of the Archers" (I usually rely upon my memory), and it states that Pat "fell in love with her lecturer: dark. hamdsome and soon-to-be-divorced Roger Coombes"....."but Tony didn't notice. He never knew how close his marriage came to collapse."
Under Roger Coombes' listing it states that "Richard Adamson had a quiet word with Pat, who eventually broke off the affair."
So, there it is, it WAS an affair, and the vicar sorted it! -
Message 12
Posted by ExTAlistener (U3058291) on Monday, 19th February 2007
One in particular, whom I later discovered had written a book. The extracts from Kathy's sessions rang very true - but would I think have featured significant looks of one kind and another from the counsellor... -
Message 13
Posted by stolenkisses (U6230663) on Monday, 19th February 2007
but would I think have featured significant looks of one kind and another from the counsellor...Ìý
Doesn't work so well on radio...
SK
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