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Posted by organists wife (U5330167) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
My o/h wants to know who actually knows about Brain, Shove and Rory?
Please.
, in reply to message 1.
Posted by politebirder (U4482231) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
The Dopeys, JD...I honestly can't remember if Dobbin knows.
Tim told Janet.
Tim told Alistair.
Alistair told Shula.
Janet told Shula.
Siobhán told Lizzie.
Lizzie told Nigel.
Debbie found out via the Handkerchief.
Debbie told Adam.
Brian told Jennifer.
Brian told David.
David told Ruth.
, in reply to message 3.
Posted by organists wife (U5330167) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
Thank you Poitebirder and RosieT. I will now go and tell him, and then spend the rest of the morning explaining who everyone else is and how they are rwelated. If only he'd listen again. Stopped when Grace died in the barn unless he catches bits by accident.
, in reply to message 1.
Posted by rosietonthemove (U2260932) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
Jennifer told Peggy(who threatened B. With horsewhipping).
Peggy told Jack.
Maybe Jack can tell someone?
I imagine Adam has told Ian, but no on-air evidence of this.
Peggy said she wouldn't tell a soul, them next time Jack was round, he mentioned it, so she must have told him...
I think Peggy hasn't told Jack, I only remember Jack making some ambiguous remark which could have been perfectly innocent. I think this was the early days of Jack's memory problems, or at least when Peggy was trying to persuade Jack to disengage from his businesses.
, in reply to message 7.
Posted by antiquelemonsqueezer (U5585422) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
So neither Jennifer's sister or brother know?
, in reply to message 8.
Posted by ExTAlistener (U3058291) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
No ridiculously, givent that Shula, David and Elizabeth know - equally that Kenton never found out, despite being agog to know the identity of the child's father...
Kate also knows, via a phone call. (though not many remember this...)
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Posted by ExTAlistener (U3058291) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
Matt also has enough information to work it out, if he had enough interest...
(attempt 1)
(attempt 2)
(atempt 3)
Tim's solicitor also knows (but possibly only Cornelius will remember his name).
, in reply to message 9.
Posted by Lizaveta Nikolaevna (U2265953) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
So presumably she told Lucas.
Who was it who remarked that Ruairi looked like baby Alice? Was it Kenton?
Simon Gerrard also saw B & S at a café, and told Debbie what he thought, when Debbie accused him of carrying on with Brenda.
Michael Soames! Tim's solicitor Christian Rodska 19-Apr-02
It was Debbie; D. moved into her cottage, Alice gave her a photo of D. holding baby Alice. At the twins party, Debbie held Ruairi, wiped sick with hankie, looked at Ru and remembered photo. And it all clicked into place.
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Posted by Lizaveta Nikolaevna (U2265953) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
Right. Of course. Thanks, Rosie. I'd forgotten about the link between the photo and the hankie.
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Posted by Borsetshire Blue (U2260326) on Saturday, 24th February 2007
Kate also knows, via a phone call. (though not many remember this...) Â
A phone call from who Rick? I certainly don't remember that and in fact I was pretty sure that Kate didn't know. (Although she seemed to suspect when she was home for a visit once.) BB
Pussycat made some reference recently to Brine being fond of 'playing away', but I don't think she knows about Shove and Roary.
, in reply to message 18.
Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Monday, 26th February 2007
Tiger and his 'accountant' once ran into Brine and Shove in a restaurant in London after a Borchester Land meeting. It was pretty obvious to Tiger that Brine was not there for translation business (in the literal sense), but at the time there was clearly an unspoken agreement between the men that they should stay schtum about the other's ladyfriends. So it is pretty likely that Tiger has subsequently told Pussycat about this.
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Posted by chris murray (U3149163) on Monday, 26th February 2007
I think we're all agreed now that Brian will bring Ruari back to Ambridge. What's the betting that the scriptwriters will have forgotten who knows and who doesn't?
I don't agree!
Brian is NOT mentioned on Ruairi's birth certificate, he has no 'rights' to take a child away from his family (i.e Siobhan'r relations, who have done childcare for him, not just bought him remote-control cars.
Is Brian really not on Ruairi's birth certificate? I don't know why, but I thought he was, perhaps it is just assumption on my part.
, in reply to message 21.
Posted by stolenkisses (U6230663) on Monday, 26th February 2007
Brian is NOT mentioned on Ruairi's birth certificateÂ
I've seen this stated a few times now, but don't remember it being discussed - may have missed an episode.
What was actually said, and why was this decision taken? It deprives Brian of rights AND responsibilities as I understand it. Was he put off by the Roy/Phoebe dispute? Or was it Siobhan's decision? Was Tim definitely out of the frame for this baby?
SK
<> from Lowfield summaries.
This is how we found out Siobhán's maiden name - she told Brian she was going to name the baby Ruairi Donovan: slight pause - "Donovan? That's your maiden name?" "Yes."
And then stuff about not being able to register with her.
Siobhán also was quite glad of this after she had decided, since B. didn't want to see HER any more (she put it down to Jennifer's meddling), that he wouldn't see Ruari. She didn't want to accept maintenance, Lizzie persuaded her to.
Sorry, Rosie, I'm sure it's me being a bit dim, but I can't see why Siobhan giving Ruairi her surname means that Brian isn't on the birth certificate. I didn't expect Siobhan to register her son as an Aldridge, but I thought that Brian would be named on the certificate as the father?
, in reply to message 25.
Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 26th February 2007
I think it is possible for a father's name to be put on his child's birth certificate at a later date.
The father needs to be present, for his name to be on the certificate, unless the parents are married. it's a different birth certificate, with "Father Unknown" for such offspring.
I suppose, otherwise, one could claim support fom any passing male.
eg Ruairi Donovan Mountbatten-Windsor?
The father needs to be present, for his name to be on the certificate, unless the parents are married. it's a different birth certificate, with "Father Unknown" for such offspring.Â
I didn't know that, though as you say it makes perfect sense.
"Father Unknown", that sounds grim. No wonder Brian is so desperate to keep in contact with his son. Serves him right for being such a moral coward though.
Meant to say this in my earlier post.
Rosie, your pointing this out to us should (hopefully) highlight how impossible the Siobhan-dies-and-Brian-triumphantly-brings-his-only-son-home-to-his-inheritance storyline would be. As you say with Brian not on the birth certificate he couldn't claim Ruairi no matter what happened.
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Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 26th February 2007
Up to a point. As Rosie has pointed out there is nothing to stop Siobhan and Brian popping along to the registry office and putting Brian's name on the birth certificate as the father.
But neither Siobhán (now) or Brian (then) wanted his name on the certificate.
And it would still need both parents to make it happen - not a unilaterl decision. I'd hope Siobhán wouldn't be so niminy-piminy as to allow Brian to override this decision.
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Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 26th February 2007
Agreed coz, but I'm just pointing out that if BVW wants to kill off Siobhan and allow Brian to bring the wean back to Ambridge there are ways and means of doing it. We don't know for definite that they haven't already added Brian's name to the birth cert.
Well, yes, there are so many 23 hours and 48½ minutes when they could have done this. Back-inventing, it's called, I think. But I still reckon Siobhan would realise that Brian, who sends a plastic toy, once in a while, and demands to be kept informed of her every movement, isn't the best person to entrust with a small person.
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Posted by antiquelemonsqueezer (U5585422) on Monday, 26th February 2007
'popping along to the registry office'.In which country?
The one where he is registered, presumably?
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Posted by antiquelemonsqueezer (U5585422) on Monday, 26th February 2007
If that is UK, Siobhan hasn't been there for years.
Can they pop along an d have Brian's name put on? I know you can have a new certificate issued if you get married, but I didn't think they would re register to put the father's name on without a wedding first.
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Posted by Strip-the-willow (U6140231) on Tuesday, 27th February 2007
You know I have an incling that Brine's name is on Ruaris birth certificate. Just cos he goes by Shove's surname doesnt mean much- just more convenient with passports and the like.
Have never posted here before .........do the SWs actually answer questions???
STW!
The father has to be there to have the name put on the certificate. I recall Brian not being able to get away from the farm to go with Siobhán to register, and her telling him about it afterwards.
Keri Davies is the part-time Host of the message-board, and has a couple of hours a day, when he does read messages here, and answers unanswered queries - eg, he knew Siobhán talks to Ruairi in English and German.
Welcome! I was dancing you in my Scottish country dancing class a couple of weeks ago. You are a greatr deal easier than Spiffin!
p.s. and I think Siobhán still goes by the surname Hathaway - she didn't give Ruairi Tim's surname, either.
, in reply to message 41.
Posted by NotsoTinyTim (U2256329) on Tuesday, 27th February 2007
In the RT cast list last week her surname was shown as Donovan. But then what does the RT know? The Blessed Beddy Tugger of the Holy Order of Change Counters recently appeared in the cast list.
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Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Tuesday, 27th February 2007
Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:35 GMT, in reply to NotsoTinyTim in message 42
If the SWs do go down the "Brine-brings-Runspellabe-to-Home-Farm-after-Shove's-untimely-and-tragic-death" route, I imagine Brine could possibly force a paternity test and then claim precedence over Shove's relatives. I think so, although I'm not sure about this.
There's the consideration of whether there would be anyone else left at Home Farm when he got there with Ruairi, of course!
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Posted by Keri Davies (U2219620) on Tuesday, 27th February 2007
>I think we're all agreed now that Brian will bring Ruari back to Ambridge. What's the betting that the scriptwriters will have forgotten who knows and who doesn't?
While I can't comment on the possible storyline I can assure you that we have a master list of who knows for sure and who suspects the truth.
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Posted by Strip-the-willow (U6140231) on Tuesday, 27th February 2007
Thankyou for that kind sir but I still dont know who knows and who doesnt.........guess I should have been keeping notes!!
AS Level in TA.....is this a possibility??!
Stripthewillow: read this thread from the beginning and you will be enlightened (the question is answered within the thread).
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Posted by Strip-the-willow (U6140231) on Tuesday, 27th February 2007
Thankyou Mike, I will go back and read very carefully.
I will then be an absolute authority on who knows what from whom and when they knew what from when they heard it or guessed it or had it thrust upon them.
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That sounds faintly sinister.
(hope you're feeling better, btw)
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Posted by Spleen Angel (U1024447) on Wednesday, 28th February 2007
I am fairly sure that Brian doesn't have parental responsibility unless Shove grants it to him, so he would have a hard time fighting it in court on the grounds of paying child support and the occasional visit. I would guess Rory has spent far more time with Shove's mum than he has with Brian.
Spleen xx
Whether or not Brian is named as father on the birth certificate, would it not be possible for Siobhan's will to say that Brian is to be guardian, and to give the reason?
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