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Posted by catsan49 (U7453591) on Thursday, 29th March 2007
Please could I have some background to this event including family reactions especially that of her father who was(I understand) an alcoholic. I think Jack mentioned the possible father a while ago. I mean Adam's father.
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Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Thursday, 29th March 2007
Adam's father was one Paddy Redmond, a red headed Irish cowman (worked at Brookfield I think). At one time affianced to Nora McAulay (later Nora Salt who even later lived with George Barford).
His identity was kept secret (from her family not the listeners) by Jennifer until one day in the 1980s he appeared in the village and everybody twigged.
Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:36 GMT, in reply to Reggie Trentham in message 2
Dad Jack was all for turning her out as she was no better than she should be, but Dan told him not to be so stupid as it could drive her to do something stupid (ie abortion which I think was still illegal - just?)
Adam was born in June 1967. The Abortion Act was adopted (or made law, my memory ir hazy) in October 1967 so Jennifer could only have had a legal abortion if two doctors had agreed it was necessary to preserve her mental health.
I can remember Jennifer telling Lilian, "I've tried everything - gin, warm baths, jumping off table. It's no use!" "You mean...?" "Yes. I'm pregnant!"
Dum dum dum dum diddle diddle diddle diddle,
Dum dum dum dum diddle diddle diddle diddle,
etc.
So does this mean the storyline was introduced in order to advance one or other of the sides in the debate on changing the law? If so which side would it have been?
So good to still have the real Jennifer, but what a loss to have jettisoned the real Lilian....!
I have decided to think of this character *they* call lilian, as Aunt Laura's Other Niece, and the real Lilian as home in Guernsey, still her sweet, slightly tipsy but gentle self.
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Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Sunday, 1st April 2007
Never thought of the new Lilian explicitly like that, RosieT, but now you say it...
It is a long time ago, but I remember Jennifer's story not primarily as an abortion debate but as a story about how times were changing on acceptance of 'illegitimate' children. I remember being choked up the moment Peggy's mother, Mrs P, finally came round to the idea, and knitted something for the baby.
Maybe she will come home to Ambridge too one of these days......!
Rick and all, I hope so. Oh how I miss her.
Keith
I know this doesn't address the question, which has been eloquently answered later on, but I cannot get my head round a poster neming herself after...cat litter. Mind you in our household of two, there are no 'turns' taken to change it; it always falls to me.
On topic; I can actually remember Doris, who definitely disapproved, coming round to the idea by saying 'Well a baby is a baby and that is all that matters', and in those days, Doris' pronouncements set the tone for the 'older generation'. Before we think nothing has noved on, the social changes over the last 40 years about such matters have been profoundly positive.
The real Lilian wouldn't have used a word such as 'abortion'. She would have known how to chivvy along a harrier as he went about his work, but abortions - that was was only something the stable cat had. Bring back real Lilian!
<"Yes. I'm pregnant!">
I remember this episode too, I was pretty young but I distinctly remember the dialogue as being
Lilian: "You don't mean..."
Jennifer: "Yes!"
The word 'pregnant' wasn't actually said, but the inference was very clear
I obviously added that. Sorry for the misleading extra words...
i finally cracked this by listening to archers in the decade of love on this site
Oh my god I did not realise that I had called myself after cat litter but can't help feeling rather proud all the same.
I found the replies fascinating though poor Jennifer stil is not having an easy life is she?
How long was it before she married Debbie's father?
I have decided to think of this character *they* call lilian, as Aunt Laura's Other Niece, and the real Lilian as home in Guernsey, still her sweet, slightly tipsy but gentle self.Â
Oh Rosie, how good of you to reassure me that I am not the only one who remembers Elizabeth's Marlowe's 'Lilian' with such affection.
Yes, the new 'Lilian' is fun, but she's not the 'Lilian' I remember from when she was a little girl hoping for her first pony, until they buried Nelson and a different person appeared.
I know this is an agricultural programme but that's amazing.
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