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Message 1.Â
Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Monday, 2nd April 2007
Is Brian actually named as Rauri's father on the birth certficate?
The contributers to the thread on DTA re the possibility of Shove's inpending demise are unceratain & I can't remember either.
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Message 2
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Monday, 2nd April 2007
No, he isn't.
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Message 3
Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Monday, 2nd April 2007
Thanks Mike. Some mustardlanders are pretty sure that he is and that they registered the birth together, like I said, I can't remember one way or the other.
Does Rauiri have a middle name (Brian, for example)? -
Message 4
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Monday, 2nd April 2007
There was a scene in which Siobhan told Brian she had just registered Ruairi's birth. This means that Brian was not present and therefore (legally) his name cannot appear on the birth certificate. I don't remember a middle name being mentioned.
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Message 5
Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Monday, 2nd April 2007
The father of a child, where the parents are not married to eachother, no longer has to be present at the registration. He does, however, need to sign a declaration of paternity. From the General Registrar's website
if the father is unable to go to the register office with the mother, but you still want his details included, then he can make a statutory declaration on form 16 (or form 16W for births which took place in Wales) acknowledging his paternity, which the mother must give to the registrar.
We heard no conversation about Brian signing such a form, so must conclude that "father's name" is indeed blank on Rauri's birth certificate. Mind you - we only hear a tiny amount of the lives of the characters.
Keri has already stated that Siobhan's Irish family don't know the full details of the Rauri's parantage, so if anything was to happen to Siobhan, Rauiris legal next of kin would be Siobhan's father, mother or eldest sibling, depending on who is alive.
Could we then have a storyline where Brian want and has to prove paternity in order taht he have reasonable access to the child, or would any wil that Shove has made nake provision for theat? Assuming that she is ill, surely she would make a will if she hadn't done so already? -
Message 6
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Monday, 2nd April 2007
Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:08 GMT, in reply to Dee in message 5
If Siobhan wants Brian to look after Ruairi (and Brian agrees) then the simplest thing would be to get him registered now as Ruairi's father. -
Message 7
Posted by Swedey (U4339411) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
Oh dear, I registered Swedelett on my own, am married to OH, does that mean that he is not legally her father?
Surely you must be able to put a father's name down without him being present, what about circumstances such as war, death, or just away? -
Message 8
Posted by good_dog (U4629670) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
Maybe, Swedey, that when you are married, the father/husband does not have to be present. In that case, Swedelett is legit - or rather his birth certificate is. If not then maybe he/she hasn't a legit dad - and since you will now go to jail for fraud - he/she won't have a mum around for some time! Poor little Swedelett.
Don't worry. There aren't any spaces in jail unless you do something really wrong. Does that include fraud? -
Message 9
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
From the Generqal Register Office website. -
Message 10
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
The father does not have to be present (or go through any other procedure) if he is married to the child's mother. As I pointed out on another thread the point behind all these rules is to stop a random unmarried mother going into a registry office and putting Charles Windsor down as the father of her child.
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Message 11
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
What about fathers going and claiming to be the father of eg that rich woman (Paris someone)'s child? Is that allowed/
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Message 12
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
When I tried this I was told it was not allowed either.
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Message 13
Posted by Halliana (U2407863) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
I registered young Woodbine on my own when the registrar visited the hospital just hours after Woodbine jnr arrived. I was asked for date of marriage and that was that. O.H's name appeared on birth certificate, no probs.
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Message 14
Posted by Quezzie (U2255959) on Thursday, 12th April 2007
Shovehorn has been accepting maintenance payments from Brian however, which could be argued to be an indication that both were fully aware of his paternity - should the blank space on the certificate be used against him in the future.
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Message 15
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Thursday, 12th April 2007
I didn't get the certificate until a few weeks after I'd done the registration. Presumably they do check the place of birth, father of child is married to mother etc., before issuing it? Do you recall, Honey?
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Message 16
Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Thursday, 12th April 2007
It seems to me that whether Brian is named on the birth certificate is irrelevant to the present storyline.
I'm not a lawyer but I would guess that all Siobhan and Brian have to do is have him declared Rory's guardian, probably in some legal format, for the matter to be more or less settled.
If there were any dispute from members of Siobhan's family Brian could easily prove his paternity. -
Message 17
Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Thursday, 12th April 2007
Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:35 GMT, in reply to Reggie Trentham in message 16
I wonder if there would be time to sort out Parental Responsibility?
That would give Brian proper parental rights. -
Message 18
Posted by ge0rd1e (U8021715) on Wednesday, 18th April 2007
Wasnt Shove still married to TimnJanet when Roary was born, so could Tim be the registered father?
this leads me to ancient and modern history - who is registered as Daniel's father?
the GRO now says
but what was the situation at the time of Daniels conception
not to mention the Aldridge clans murky parental history, and of course baby George. Emmur would have had to register him before the paternity was sorted out. -
Message 19
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Wednesday, 18th April 2007
Siobhán was divorced, and she told Brian she went to register Ruairi Donovan's birth, Brian did not go with her, he is not the rgistered father.
##Daniel was registered as Daniel Mark Archer Hebden, as he was born postumously to a widow, Shula would be able to produce wedding and death certificates.
## William registered George Edward Grundy's birth, after objecting to the middle name. -
Message 20
Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Thursday, 19th April 2007
##Daniel was registered as Daniel Mark Archer Hebden, as he was born postumously to a widow, Shula would be able to produce wedding and death certificates.Â
Daniel is a child born as a result of IVF. Anyone remeber if it was a doner sperm/egg or both which enabled this?
If he was a result of doner sperm, would his birth mother's husband (ie Mark) be named as the father, or would the father's name have to remain blank on the registeration? I seem to remember that the law was indeed changed a few years back so that the father (again, the mother's husband, not the sperm doner) could be named, but I might be wrong. -
Message 21
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Thursday, 19th April 2007
No, it was Shula's egg and Mark's sperm.
Little did I think all those years ago when I discovered the MBs that I would find myself typing the word sperm on a public messageboard for all the internet to see. Heigh ho. -
Message 22
Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Thursday, 19th April 2007
Thanks dragonfly - I couldn't remember, but now you've reminded me I seem to recall that it was a problem with Shula's fallopian tubes which was the infertility problem, in which case they didn't need a doner either male or female .
I know what you mean about the "s" word. Would it help if we called the his "little swimmers"? -
Message 23
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Thursday, 19th April 2007
She had an ectopic pregnancy and that significantly reduced the chances of a natural conception, I think.
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Message 24
Posted by auntlaura (U2274158) on Tuesday, 24th April 2007
Am I right in thinking we only have Siobhan's word for it that Brian is the father?
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Message 25
Posted by Lizzie (U2827349) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007
That - and the fact that Ruairi looked like Alice as a baby.
And there was I thinking all babies looked like Winston Churchill. -
Message 26
Posted by Dee (U3082905) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007
Well, there has been no DNA test & it has never occurred to Brian to request one. In fairness, Shove may be a husband stealer and adultress (& they are her more appealing personality traits), but she is not promiscuous & there was never any indication that she was having sox with more than one man when she conceived.
It might be a future storyline - JD may put the idea into Brian's head that he may not be the daddy (esp if Shove dies) on the grounds that she cheated on her husband, how can he be sure that she didn't cheat on him & he will agonise whether to have a DNA test. -
Message 27
Posted by rosietonthemove (U2260932) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007
Didn't Tim the doctor quickly realise that HE couldn't be the father, because he and Siobhan hadn't had sex at the relevant time? Pretty sure that Ruairi MUST be the product of Brian's sperm.
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Message 28
Posted by Norma (U2334558) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007
I can see this going down the DNA route. Either Shove's mum or Jenny will demand a paternity test and we find out that Brian still doesn't have a son. Life goes on as before at Home Farm.
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Message 29
Posted by Ina McAllan (U1723501) on Thursday, 26th April 2007
Sooner or later the local DNA testing labs are going to find it cost-effective to open a sub-branch in Ambridge...
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Message 30
Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Thursday, 26th April 2007
Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:21 GMT, in reply to Ina McAllan in message 29
I'm surprised that Susan hasn't made it available at the Village Shop. -
Message 31
Posted by enistirhc (U8463877) on Saturday, 26th May 2007
Indded it was Shula and Marks biological brat, but I seem to recall that the pregnancy was not established untii; after Mark was dead cos there was some, should I should'nt I fuss wiith the doctor (Richard?)- don't know what that was about
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Message 32
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Saturday, 26th May 2007
Sat, 26 May 2007 17:48 GMT, in reply to enistirhc in message 31
Shula was having IVF and needed regular injections to ensure the implanted embryos "took" just at the time Mark died, so wasn't sure if she felt like carrying on
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