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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 16th April 2007

  did Sid Perks start calling Jack Woolley 'Jack' rather than ' Mr Woolley'? I think it is quite recently.
  
  I would have thought that Sid would be one of the few people in the village left who would still show some respect for their elders and betters (especially as Jack Woolley was his early benefactor).

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  Posted by Vicarshusband (U6051871) on Monday, 16th April 2007

  Well spotted. I hadn't noticed this till you pointed it out. A slip in the writing or an intentional point they are making about Jack's state of mind?
  
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  Posted by Keri Davies (U2219620) on Tuesday, 17th April 2007

  We took a decision, ooh, about three or four years ago to casualise most of the forms of address in the programme, as they seemed to have fallen behind the general trend for first name calling in the country at large. Sid has referred to Jack as "Jack" before as a result of this.

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Tuesday, 17th April 2007

  Thank you Mr K., whilst I had be conscious of the casualisation of forms of address I couldn't remember Sid calling Jack 'Jack' before.
  
  I think you are right to reflect current practice in this respect (I remember Shula being told of as a teenager for being over familar to older residents of the village) but I think you can go too far. There are some people who will always stick to formal modes of address (I noticed Bert still refering to Phil as 'the boss' the other evening). I'm suprised that Susan uses the first names of people further up the social scale than her.
  
  In particlar given the present circumstances and their past history it grated to hear Sid saying 'Jack'.

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U7102122) on Tuesday, 17th April 2007

  Now Eddie's calling him Jack. It's not right, a familiarity too far.

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  Posted by red field (U2337167) on Tuesday, 17th April 2007

  I was surprised to hear Alice referring to Mrs Hathaway (photos on Brian's computer screen, a few months ago). The only neighbours I can imagine my children referring to so formally would be those who happen to be their teachers.

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  Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Tuesday, 17th April 2007

  Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:11 GMT, in reply to red field in message 6
  
  Alice would only have known her as the Doctor's wife, and may never have known her first name.

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  Posted by ge0rd1e (U8021715) on Wednesday, 18th April 2007

  There used to be a strict code of conduct where poor/working class Archers called rich upperclass landowning Archers and genuine Archer family members Mrs or Mr Archer/Aldridge etc and vice vversa were called patronisingly by their first name Susan, Neil Eddie Clarrie etc. However when the Aldridge family started changing their surnames on a monthly basis and the number of actual Archers increased as a result Ruth having kids this fell into disuse and the social fabric has begun to crumble. This trend is exemplified by the professionalisation of the cricket team, where people from OTHER VILLAGES are playing for Ambridge.

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