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• Message 1. 

  Posted by PepperTree2 (U4276855) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007

  I don't know whether this has already been raised here somewhere but the following message has been posted by the Host of another Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú Message Board. If not already raised, can we expect to see a similar policy adopted here? (Seems reasonable to me).
  
  "Hello everybody,
  
  As you all probably know, I have been working closely with the Central Communities Team in the last few weeks because a very small number of posters on the Radio 4 boards have been very problematic. This is what the Central Team has suggested I tell you:
  
  "The Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú has to use the licence fee in the most efficient way possible, and acting as a forum for a small group of posters to conduct personal arguments that have nothing to do with the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú's output is a waste of hosts' and moderators' time and discourages new users from joining the site.
  
  Therefore any users continuing to engage in these personal arguments will be banned permanently from the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú messageboards. Suspected alternate IDs of banned users will also be banned.
  
  Please note that when you registered on the board you agreed that 'The Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú reserves the right to delete any contribution, or take action against any account, at any time, for any reason.'
  
  We are truly sorry that this sort of action has become necessary and hope that the rest of the members of the board will bear with us while we try and sort out the problems that this small group of posters is causing."
  
  The waste of time and resources this has occasioned is truly scandalous - it's neither clever nor funny."
  
  

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• Message 2

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  Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007

  Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:16 GMT, in reply to PepperTree2 in message 1
  
  This sounds like they're embarking on an "Ethnic Cleansing" of "Lovely"...

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• Message 3

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  Posted by M® Legs™ (U2373018) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007

  Today Poland'Lovely', tomorrow the World!
  
  quick crank up the gramophone, brush the dust off that 78 of The Horst Wessel Song and prepare for blitzkrieg!

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• Message 4

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  Posted by nesta vipers (U2256451) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007

  I don`t like the sound of this, they`ll be coming for us one after the other (me before you probably)
  
  cheers norma

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• Message 5

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  Posted by Sunny Clouds (U7606212) on Wednesday, 25th April 2007

  "Ethnic Cleansing" 
  
  Shouldn't that be electronic cleansing?

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• Message 6

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  Posted by Marilyn Todd TPS (U6760867) on Thursday, 26th April 2007

  The title - Central Communities Team - sounds sinister to me. I wonder what the criteria for weeding posters out will be? I'm sure we can all think of a few names, but that would be pandering to prejudices.
  
  

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• Message 7

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  Posted by Keri Davies (U2219620) on Friday, 27th April 2007

  The central communities team consult hosts before taking action, and they are very useful because they can compare specific users' behaviour across boards and do clever detective work to identify re-registrations.
  
  I'm all for it, personally. No-one who uses this board in the spirit intended has anything to worry about this and we all have much to gain.

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• Message 8

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  Posted by Marilyn Todd TPS (U6760867) on Friday, 27th April 2007

  
  I second that.
  
  

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• Message 9

  , in reply to message 7.

  Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Friday, 27th April 2007

  I agree, Keri. And yet this board's most notorious multiple-identity troll is still going strong. 4 new identities in the past week alone, and still starting countless new threads. Why?

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• Message 10

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  Posted by Marilyn Todd TPS (U6760867) on Friday, 27th April 2007

  
  But does that poster, whoever he/she is, cause any trouble? If so - out. If not, live and let live.
  
  

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• Message 11

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  Posted by Marilyn Todd TPS (U6760867) on Friday, 27th April 2007

  
  Of course, that's only my opinion.
  
  

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• Message 12

  , in reply to message 10.

  Posted by nesta vipers (U2256451) on Friday, 27th April 2007

  
  
  I know it`s not a popular view, but this is how I feel.
  
  I don`t like this persecution that goes on when someone a little outside the norm posts, and I don`t like the way that other posters (who have been here a long time and should know better) attempt to bully and coerce others not to reply.
  
  Yes, it is plain this person is an attention seeker, and some messages are outside the usual (to be polite), but I haven`t seen anything to warrant some of the criticism being levelled at them.
  
  There is a bit of an attitude on these boards about conforming, cosy familiarity and being one of the gang (I won`t mention the C word).
  
  I also dislike the term `newbie`, it says it all doesn`t it? Sometimes I wonder why new posters come here at all because it`s not always as welcoming as it should be.
  
  Come on girls (and guys) - we`re not in the Lower 4th at St Smugs, we`re on a public message board FGS
  
  cheers norma
  
  
  
  

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• Message 13

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  Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Friday, 27th April 2007

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  I know it`s not a popular view, but this is how I feel.
  
  I don`t like this persecution that goes on when someone a little outside the norm posts, and I don`t like the way that other posters (who have been here a long time and should know better) attempt to bully and coerce others not to reply.
  
  Yes, it is plain this person is an attention seeker, and some messages are outside the usual (to be polite),
  
  
  [ but I haven`t seen anything to warrant some of the criticism being levelled at them.]
  
  
  you may not have, I have..
  
  
  And the behaviour of this poster is against the rules we all signed up for.
  
  [There is a bit of an attitude on these boards about conforming, cosy familiarity and being one of the gang (I won`t mention the C word).]
  
  Maybe, but I find myself defending posters I activly dislike against these poters, because of the house rules so the clique is hardly applicable.
  
  
  
  [I also dislike the term `newbie`, it says it all doesn`t it? Sometimes I wonder why new posters come here at all because it`s not always as welcoming as it should be.]
  
  I do too, but it's not the end of the world.
  
  
  
  Come on girls (and guys) - we`re not in the Lower 4th at St Smugs, we`re on a public message board FGS
  
  cheers norma
  
  
  
  

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• Message 14

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  This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the in some way.

• Message 15

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  This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the in some way.

• Message 16

  , in reply to message 7.

  Posted by MrPocket (U4752389) on Friday, 27th April 2007

  In Re. MSG # 7
  
  I'm certainly no I T expert [really do wish I were] but there does seem to be one simple route, which I would guess would not be difficult to organise. It would prevent; rather *could* prevent all this trouble.
  As I understand it, everyone has their own "u number". May I suggest that there is a list of those and that it is updated, as quickly as the banks update credit card identity transactions, say.
  Then ensure that every number has ONLY one name. In the same way that every message/posting is moderated/scanned, any multiple or alternative name could be spotted more easily (that is if the software is there to accomplish that).
  Names and numbers can and should be linked to e-mail addresses.
  If then, there were any attempt to "lark around", making life difficult for the rest of us, the culprit could be warned (with Notice on the MB) and then banned if necessary.
  
  I hope this is helpful.
  
  MP
  
  
  
  
  
  

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• Message 17

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  Posted by U8206471 (U8206471) on Friday, 27th April 2007

  For ever on your lofty perch, Mr P, never to come down.

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• Message 18

  , in reply to message 16.

  Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:15 GMT, in reply to MrPocket in message 16
  
  As I understand it, everyone has their own "u number". May I suggest that there is a list of those and that it is updated, as quickly as the banks update credit card identity transactions, say.
  Then ensure that every number has ONLY one name. 
  
  This would be ideal, Mr P. except that:
  
  Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú prolly doesn't have the resources to keep checking numbers and names.
  
  also, it is possible to set up an account with a completely separate U number - several posters have two or more completely separate accounts. To stop that process, you'd have to have really stringent regulations for joining which required RL/paper documents proving identity before you could open an account.

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• Message 19

  , in reply to message 16.

  Posted by E Yore (U1479700) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:27 GMT, in reply to MrPocket in message 16
  
  
  
  Mr P, there can be valid reasons why people change names: I give a geographic indication in éine when travelling so people understand yhz I have éajor kezboard probleés (not that that stops ée froé being éodded regularlz for not using English. Discriéination against the touch tzpist visiting foreign lands?). If zou have many posters with similar names - think of the Rosies - it may be useful to change the naées slightlz to be able to differentiate.
  
  There can be all sorts of /valid/ reasons why names get changed and it won't stop multiple log-ins.
  
  No idea what the ansyer is, except vigilance and jont and achilles' script.

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• Message 20

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  Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:01 GMT, in reply to E. Yore in Helvetia in message 19
  
  Mister P., the way the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú system works, you have to give an unique email address to sign up; you can't have two U-numbers assigned to a single email address. The problem with this is that it's very easy to get extra email addresses...
  
  And there are a few reasons for having multiple accounts. Over on h2g2, for example, I take part in some role-playing games where the characters in the game each have their own accounts even though one person may control more than one character. Also, over in TVH, if someone wants to ask an extremely embarrasing question or look for very personal advice it's common practice for them to create an "anonymous" account to post from.

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• Message 21

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  you can't have two U-numbers assigned to a single email address 
  
  
  Yes you can.

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• Message 22

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U7102122) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  He's right you know.

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• Message 23

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  Posted by woofti aka groovy gravy (U1483210) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:26 GMT, in reply to Reggie Trentham in message 22
  
  Reggie, when I changed computers I lost your email addy. Could you please email me?
  
  thanks
  
  dd x

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• Message 24

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  Posted by MrPocket (U4752389) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  so any "intent to deceive" is easily assisted by the system
  
  I thought there was only one registration per person but I gather that cannot be done, at present
  
  MP

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• Message 25

  , in reply to message 21.

  Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:22 GMT, in reply to Reggie Trentham in message 21
  
  Yes you can. 
  
  Reggie, I think that's an artifact of when they combines the memberlists of all the message boards into "Single Sign-On"... I believe if you try to /create/ a new account with an existing address you're directed to a "Have you forgotten your password? Would you like us to email it to you?" page.

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• Message 26

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  I hate to disagree with you Peet because you are usually the fount of wisdom on this sort of thing. While I originally registered on another board my second identity was created only about 6 months ago here.

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• Message 27

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  Posted by One (U8211650) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  And I have just created yet another identity with another U number.

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• Message 28

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  Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:11 GMT, in reply to Reggie Trentham in message 26
  
  Fair enough, Reggie. But that was my experience when I set up a "clone" of Cal's account as a demonstration when these boards had newly changed over to DNA. It may be different now.

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• Message 29

  , in reply to message 24.

  Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:44 GMT, in reply to MrPocket
  
  only one registration per person but I gather that cannot be done 
  
  mr P I can see various good reasons for the messageboard community to make it one registration only but in practice this would be undesirable for many posters even it were ever possible. There is one pc in this house, one ISP, and several users all of whom have at least one e-mail account and linked to those log-ins for MSN, for the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú and for other professional and news-based websites. Even if we went for WiFi so that the laptop(s) could be used for internet access we would still have just the one ISP.
  
  In truth I don't know how many Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú registrations we have between us - I know the password for mine but if I don't sign out on leaving the desk then anyone else in the house can use that account [and sometimes 'anyone' does.]

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• Message 30

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  Posted by MrPocket (U4752389) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Yes. silly of me - classic example of "muddled thinking" on my part, ignoring the probable norm and forgetting that this household is not akin to your average household. So, I guess that every time I use my sole identity, I am either going to have to 'lump' the consequences or, cover up my tracks, like several other posters.
  Have to say, it's a bit of a "drag", being obliged to look at each poster's u number and then scan the list to see if it matches any other name/s. Add to that the mysterious names that people choose and the problem widens; particularly when a chosen name can often be the opposite gender to what one perceives.
  
  
  MP

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• Message 31

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  Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Saturday, 28th April 2007

  Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:52 GMT, in reply to MrPocket in message 30
  
  Download the Script and you will be able to put names or symbols or other reminders next to each screen name. There's nothing like a big scarlet **IGNORE** x 3 by a name !¬)

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