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Adam's father

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  Posted by smallsnoopydog (U8780002) on Friday, 22nd June 2007

  Am I remembering correctly that it was assumed that Adam's father was someone called Paddy? Was he a cowman?

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  Posted by Polly Tunnel (U1530077) on Friday, 22nd June 2007

  Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:25 GMT, in reply to smallsnoopydog in message 1
  
  Paddy Redmond was certainly a farm hand but whether he was a specialist cowman I am not sure.

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  Posted by wendyb (U3170004) on Saturday, 23rd June 2007

  Paddy Redmond arrived in Ambridge from Ireland Phil collected him from Hollerton Junction sorry I am a bit of a saddo
  

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  Posted by Keri Davies (U2219620) on Monday, 25th June 2007

  Yes, he was Brookfield's cowman.

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  Posted by sunshine82 (U3421421) on Tuesday, 26th June 2007

  When did he leave Ambridge and has he ever been back? I presume he knew about Adam?

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  Posted by wendyb (U3170004) on Wednesday, 27th June 2007

  didn't he have a girlfriend and he went back to marry her?

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  Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  "Paddy was a bright , young Ulsterman who came to work at Brookfield in 1965. He was a persuasive character of many talents, from piano=playing to motor-cycle scrambling. His easy charm captivated young Jennifer Aldridge, to the disapproval of her family, who felt that he had a wild streak that they instictively distrusted. This was confirmed when he returned from a sudden holiday back home with the news that he was engaged. Two months later his fiancée, Nora McCauley, arrived from Belfast to work as barmaid at the Bull.
  His engagement was short-lived, as Paddy wanted to leave the Archers and work for himself, but Nora felt it was too soon to move. He went down south, leaving behind him a disappointed Nora and a very pregnant Jennifer. He wrote to ennifer but she refused to see him. Nothing more was heard of him for fourteen years."
  
  TBC

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  Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  In January 1981 a soft-spoken, prosperous-looking man dropped into te Bull looking for Nora McAuley.It was Paddy on his way to a farm manager's job in Ulster, having managed farms abroad, and done very well for himself. Jennifer, now married to Brian Aldridge, saw him with Nora, and panicked. She was sure he knew nothing about his son,Adam, and she was determined they should not meet.It was left to Nora to tell him the truth, whereupon he telephoned Jennifer immediately and persuaded her to bring Adam to the Feathers in a few day's time so that he could meet him. Brian took matters in hand at that point, told Jennifer to stay at home and introduced himself to Paddy in her place. He gave him short shrift and threatened him with legal action should he make any attempt to see Adam.
  
  Poor Paddyhad never wanted to make trouble and in any case was going to fly to Ulster in two days time. With the predictable luck of the Irish he bumped into Jennifer and Adam by accident before he left, so at least he had a glimpse of the son and wife he might well have called his own had life turned out differently."
  TBOTA

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  Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  [Brian took matters in hand at that point, told Jennifer to stay at home and introduced himself to Paddy in her place. He gave him short shrift and threatened him with legal action should he make any attempt to see Adam.]
  
  ooooOOOOoooo.
  
  The two faced, no, DODECAHEDRON!, Brougue wearing, sanctmonious GIT.
  
  So, it's alright for him to MOVE HIS SON IN TO THE HOUSE but not for Paddy to even SEE Adam.
  
  coo.
  
  [posh now fuming]
  

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  Posted by irene (U8365703) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  er that should be loafer wearing, shouldnt it, poshy? brogue would be what paddy had, i imagine!

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  Posted by Rettegrap (U1759870) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  [posh now fuming]
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  I am in total accord.
  
  It shows how SW's manipulate people and their characters to fit what they want the story to be (so not character-driven, then) At that time (of course it is before he (or possibly Adam) knew about Adam's sexuality, but it id a VERY STRONG contrast with what is happening now.
  
  PS What do the brogues have to do with it? DO you mean shoes, or Rory's accent?

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  Posted by mike (U2254029) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:16 GMT, in reply to Rettegrap in message 11
  
  PS What do the brogues have to do with it?Ìý
  When Cazza told Shula she was having an affair with Brian, Shula said " ... ooh, how could you - he wears those shoes with the little gold chains!". Many people remember this and Brian's footwear has acquired legendary status.

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  Posted by Vicarshusband (U6051871) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  [It shows how SW's manipulate people and their characters to fit what they want the story to be]
  
  Of course they do. It's their job.
  
  ...on the other hand, maybe it also shows that 26 years on, when Brian finds himself in a similar situation, he sees things quite differently. We often do see things differently when we are directly involved.
  
  And perhaps he would _now_ behave differently with Paddy - in which case I suppose he woudn't be a two faced etc etc. That's the test, not what he did years a go.
  
  BTW did anyone else notice that the text Rosie quotes above refers to Jennifer ALDRIDGE in 1965 - surely wrong?
  
  VH

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  Posted by al-in-a-field (U3325483) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  Thanks Rosie.
  
  I think this just reinforces his character. Ever the controlling bully.
  
  Al...

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  Posted by sunshine82 (U3421421) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  And perhaps he would _now_ behave differently with Paddy Ìý
  
  Well, I'd hope so given that Adam's now 40, not 13 and can probably be trusted to make his mind up for himself. I think what Paddy was doing might actually have been illegal anyway (though since he wouldn't be on the birth certificate when Adam was adopted there's no proof that what he did was wrong) as children aren't supposed to be able to trace their birth parents until they're 18, and the parents aren't allowed to make the first move. I have no experience of this and could well be talking through my hat (poised to fetch coat to match if this is the case).
  
  Thank you, RosieT, for a post that answers my question and roughly 6 other ones I had lined up!

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  Posted by Vicarshusband (U6051871) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  Well, yes, as Adam's 40 that is slightly different but I sort meant, Brian might behave differently in that same situation ie with Adam 14.
  
  I just thought that going back 26 years in RL, let alone a programme like the Archers, expecting absolute consistency is a bit like crying for the moon.
  
  For example, hasn't it been established that the leering, adulterous Brian - as first featured in the SL about his affair with Caroline - was at the time itself a pretty radical character transplant - (Keri will probably kill me) - so that the 1981 Brian was arguably an upstanding moral person who would never think of behaving like Paddy Redmond - or imagine himslef in the same circs.
  
  Ob. disclaimer: I'm not trying to defend Brian here, I just think that a standard of consistency is being used which would, applied generally, sooner or later make every single character a lying, hypocritical wotsit. Except perhaps the llamas.
  
  VH

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  Posted by sister myrtle (U3458478) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  Who is cazza?

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  Posted by Vicarshusband (U6051871) on Thursday, 28th June 2007

  Ollie's partner. Formerly on very good terms with Brian.
  
  VH

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