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  Posted by suggysnr (U9695638) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  can anybody help please
  I am currently doing a thesis on alcohol portrayal in soaps. As the Archers was probably the first ever soap i was wondering what the name of the local pub was (the bull?), who is the current( and first if possible) landlord/lady, and who is the supplying brewery and whether this beer//lager is real or fictional.
  Thanks in anticipation
  ian suggysnr

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  Unfortunately there never has been a pub in Ambridge. In the 1880s the Primitive Methodists briefly attained a majority on the parish council and passed a bye-law banning in perpetuity all sales of alcohol within the parish boundaries.
  
  Despite strenuous efforts over the years the bye-law has proved unrepealable and residents are forced to do their drinking in the Pig and Firkin in Penny Hasset. The beer was originally supplied by Borsetshire Brewaries which was taken over by Watneys in the 1970s.

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  Posted by poppy (U2220656) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  Snork!

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  Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  "Peggy Archer and her husband Jack obtained the licence of The Bulln in 1952 when Sam Saundersw retired after 20 years in the job. ... by November the licence was transferred to Peggy because of Jack's 'dilatoriness.' In 1957 Stourhampton Brewery took over the Bull: they sold it two years later as a free house, asking £5,300.With financial help from Laura Archer, Jack and Peggy bought it. When in 1972 Jack died, and the Bull became too much of a responsibility for Peggy, she offerred its management to Sid and Polly Perks.
  
  ......
  
  Several times Peggy contemplated selling it, but it was not until 1993, secure in her second marriage, that she felt she could let it go. She gave Sid and his second wife Kathy first refusal ... Guy Pemberton came to the rescue and they went into partner ship."
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  "When Kathy asked Graham Ryder to value the Bull as part of her divorce settlement, he estimated a sum of £3000,000 ..... When Sid and Kathy had had to raise a purchase price of £250,000 some seven years before this they'd achieved this by takng out a loan and getting Guy Pemberton to invest. Sid therefore blenched at parting with £60,000 to Kathy, but his new live in lover Jolene Perks, looks sure to put cash in the till with her money spiinning ideas such as 'The Bull Upstairs.'"
  (TAE)
  
  Since then, Caroline, who took over Guy's share on his death, and then increased hers to 51%, has sold this controlling share to Lilian Bellamy. Sid and Jolene are still landlord and lady.
  
  Shires is the imaginary beer. They get deliveries from 'The Brewery.'

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  Posted by MissJayBee (U3854634) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  suggysnr - the snork should be sufficient warning to you that the contents of the second post are not to be taken as accurate responses to your questions.
  
  This post however, from a thesis examiner, should serve as a warning that if what you are producing is really a thesis, your research should show more originality and depth than asking a few questions on a message board.
  
  I grill my candidates in detail on their sources and methodology. "I asked on Notes and Queries" would not cut the mustard.
  
  Yours helpfully (think of the look on Cruella de Vil's face as she smiled on the dalmations.....)

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  Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:51:09 GMT, In reply to: MissJayBee
  
  "The Archers" is unique amongst soaps in having more than one "regular" pub. While "The Bull" is a common meeting place there's also "The Cat and Fiddle", (temporarily decommissioned) "The Feathers" (popular for breakups) and various pubs in nearby villages and "just off the bypass" that pop up every time two characters need a place to bump into each other when they're trying to avoid one another. In the past, there was always "Nelson's Wine Bar" in Borchester too...

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  Shires is the imaginary beer 
  
  Snork!
  
  I've drunk it in the Fox and Goose in Hebden Bridge.

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  Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  Ah, the imaginary Fox and Goose ....

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  Posted by Ex Tram Driver (U5244457) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  Ah, the imaginary Fox and Goose .... 
  
  As mentioned in the August 'Beer' - together with the information that Ambridge publican Sid Perks opened the 1984 'Not the GBBF' after the Bingley Hall in Birmingham burnt down!
  
  And its imaginary beer garden (well, it seemed to be at first floor level!)
  
  Part of a collective delusion on MLers part, then??
  
  
  
  

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  Posted by Sea Nymph (U1474682) on Monday, 17th September 2007

  The Cat and Fiddle was the world's first mobile pub.Joe reported it following him home on a couple of occasions because it was lonely

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  Posted by Gtteyrod (U6993500) on Tuesday, 18th September 2007

  
  
  So the half bright student just bulls--ts and talks of long hour of reseach in musty libraries.
  
  I give up educationalist who seem more interested in the method than the result.Given the subject of the thesis I can't think of a better place to START ones reseach .

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  Posted by MissJayBee (U3854634) on Tuesday, 18th September 2007

  So the half bright student just bulls--ts and talks of long hour of reseach in musty libraries. 
  
  Oh I'm much better than that! My b***s*** meter is very finely tuned.......
  
  
  

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  Posted by suggysnr (U9695638) on Tuesday, 18th September 2007

  thanks to all who have taken the time and effort to reply to the START of my study. Perhaps i need to do a course in Message box protocol, tips and short cuts.
  (or should that be snork cuts)
  regards
  suggysnr(recovering alcoholic)

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  Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Tuesday, 18th September 2007

  Here, suggy, have one of Walter Gabriel's "specials."

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