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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by the-cold-6000 (U10486023) on Saturday, 24th November 2007
hello all, first post on this site. can you help? it's bothered me for years, in a half hearted sort of a way, but wasn't there a programme called wagoners walk that was in some way related to the archers? how, why and when? any recollections gratefully recieved
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Message 2
Posted by mike (U2254029) ** on Saturday, 24th November 2007
Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:19 GMT, in reply to the-cold-6000 in message 1
Wagoners' Walk was just another soap on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú radio. There was no connection to TA that I can recall. -
Message 3
Posted by JulieCoolibar (U4674169) on Saturday, 24th November 2007
Waggoners Walk...
I vaguely remember it but never really listened to radio 2 during my youth. -
Message 4
Posted by JulieCoolibar (U4674169) on Saturday, 24th November 2007
Mind you TA will also have been taken off the air by the time I get out of pre-moderation.
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Message 5
Posted by Xavier Banana (U10351839) on Saturday, 24th November 2007
If you post a bit more you might make it.
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Message 6
Posted by Carol Tregorran (U8943346) on Saturday, 24th November 2007
Here's some information. If you Google Waggoners walk you will find more. It was more similar to Mrs Dale's Diary than The Archers.
'Waggoners Walk' which started on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú Radio 2 in April 1969 sought to capture the tensions of student protest, sexual equality, contraception and a more socially mobile society. It was a product of the 'swinging sixties' 'rebellious youth culture', 'the Beatles' and fall out from student protests against Britain's support for America in Vietnam. It featured three young women, Tracey, Lynn and Barbara sharing a flat in Hampstead. One had an illegitimate child and married a homosexual (who later 'reformed'), another's marriage broke up and the third lived in sin. Waggoner's Walk threw itself into social problems such as abortion, child custody, hypothermia, murder, and confrontations of every kind. By 1974 it had an audience of four million listeners which was much higher than the Archers. There was even a competition so that listeners could write their own plots. The suggestion that the whole cast board a bus which was then driven over the edge of a cliff was somewhat portentous because the series was axed in June 1980 as part of a money-saving plan. -
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Posted by Mr Snowy (U2260171) on Saturday, 24th November 2007
Wagoners' Walk was just another soap on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú radio. There was no connection to TA that I can recall.
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At least two long-serving cast members of TA were reulars on Waggoners Walk ie Pat and Clarrie. -
Message 8
Posted by the-cold-6000 (U10486023) on Sunday, 25th November 2007
very helpful, thanks. can only suppose that it was on the family radio in its early 70's heyday when i was young enough to get the two muddled up. sounds like the ending was nicked by 'the young ones'! ta.
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Message 9
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Sunday, 25th November 2007
I always got "Waggoners Walk" and "Citizens" muddled (that WAS the one with Aex-the-unmarried-mu and her house-sharing mates, wasn't it?).
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Message 10
Posted by the-cold-6000 (U10486023) on Sunday, 25th November 2007
citizens seems only to exist in a dusty flyblown corner of wikipedia. 'radio 4, 388 episodes from oct 87 to jul 91.' thats it, unloved and cast away to wherever defunct shows go to die. or do they just go on broadcasting to no one but themselves, getting fainter and fainter....
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Message 11
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Sunday, 25th November 2007
I listened regularly, but with a small baby and, later on, small toddler, and it's all a bit of a Blurr.
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Message 12
Posted by Almond_Aire (U2259917) on Monday, 26th November 2007
When Citizens started, it was also broadcast on the World Service as well as R4, but the WS broadcasts stopped before the R4 ones did.
The main thing I remember about it is that one of the main characters was killed off in a dramatic way while I was on holiday, and I never really found out how she died!
Alma. -
Message 13
Posted by the-cold-6000 (U10486023) on Monday, 26th November 2007
now that is annoying. i find that its real life events that pass me by, what with seeking out remote news free bits of the world. in this way i missed the fuel blockades, september 11th and the death of ronnie barker. unfortunately wherever you are, england international football results seem to find you; usually in the form of mime to a soundtrack of foreign language laughter. were there any laughs in citizens at all? try as i might i just can't remember it.
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Message 14
Posted by eristheapplethrower (U9524346) on Monday, 10th December 2007
Citizens was pretty dire. London flat and bedsit dwellers and maybe a squat. It was full of yuff (thankfully few if any children) and snapping fingers as its theme tune.
Waggoner's Walk great tea time treat on Radio 2 also had Carole Boyd as a leading character, Shirley.
But top of the radio soap tree was Kilbreck Radio Scotland's offering if only because the then young radio station had the good sense to team up with the Scottish Health Board and explore issues. And it was not afraid to break down barriers and look at taboo subjects. Or those taboo in the early the 1980s.. Also Kilbreck had a character who worked in a local snack bar called Agnes (in real life Mary Riggans). Unmissable.
TA and Kilbreck did a joint week together and in the House of Eris we still savour the memory. Nelson and Agnes and Caroline and her school buddy Jenny Stewart. -
Message 15
Posted by FotheringtonThomas (U3506938) on Wednesday, 12th December 2007
I quite liked Citizens - I quite liked Westway too!
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Message 16
Posted by goldilocks exits pursued by bears (U1859740) on Wednesday, 12th December 2007
In reply to FotheringtonThomas in message 15
I liked Citizens as well.
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Message 17
Posted by eristheapplethrower (U9524346) on Thursday, 13th December 2007
Well, it's a good job we are not all the same.
Being one who enjoys "continuous drama" on radio, I would have liked Citizens. It was a Saturday listen for me. And I appreciate Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú Radio 4 was trying to capture the youth listener who were all busy watching videos and playing Super Mario. This was the early 1990s when TA was still on its 5 day format.
I think what Citizens lacked were gripping story lines...issues it had a plenty. But memorable characters - errr uh. Can I name one. No, not a one. And no I can even remember a murder, drug overdose or any event tragic or otherwise. I can't remember why the Citizens were in London in the first place. Vague memory of some concerned parents. Maybe. The theme music lingers. Kinda. EastEnders of the air? Well, maybe. More like ElDorado. I would love to have my memory jogged about Citizens.
Waggoner's Walk on the other hand - great tea time listening. I certainly remember the final episode when the older man popped the question to a character I think was called Sophie. We of course have waited now 27 years or more to find out if she said yes. Gripping to the very end - still much missed in the House of Eris.
Returning to Kilbreck - again although it dealt with issues...there was drama, there was humour, there was Agnes (the Vera Duckworth/Elsie Tanner of the snack bar), there were compelling story lines. However the Scottish Health Department had expected a different market to listen to the soap and when the audience figures showed it was mainly middle class wifies and mannies who listened, sadly the funding was pulled. However before it all went there was a link up with TA for a few episodes.
Thank you for shoving me in the direction of Westway. I fear the World Service is largely terra incognita for me. I know I know. I am still stuck in the mindset that UK listeners can't get World Service until after midnight. Or am I have havering there? I tend to remember that was an issue on Feedback. Some decades ago. That is the groove I am still stuck in.
Thanks again. -
Message 18
Posted by Lemon Sabotage (U9577550) on Thursday, 13th December 2007
Sorry, Eris, but Westway has finished forever on the World Service. It's still on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú7 (Mon.-Thurs. 13.00-13.15h) but I think it must be finishing sometime soon.
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Message 19
Posted by Twang (U8318427) on Thursday, 13th December 2007
The theme music lingersÌý
Wasn't that _Not_ The Waggoners Walk? -
Message 20
Posted by the-cold-6000 (U10486023) on Friday, 14th December 2007
well this is meandering along nicely. now tell me, if you can; i was 40 when i posted this question and am now 64. when does this pre moderation thing stop?
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Message 21
Posted by Mr Snowy (U2260171) on Saturday, 15th December 2007
when does this pre moderation thing stop?Ìý
To quote Pope (I think)
Let not man God presume to scan
The proper study of mankind is man
As far as we poor mortal Mustardlanders are concerned, the mods are as inscrutable as deities. They even blitzed me once for being overly offensive. As the subject of my post was Ms Whitburn you wouldn't have thought this possible. -
Message 22
Posted by Keri Davies (U2219620) on Monday, 17th December 2007
>when does this pre moderation thing stop?
Post lots and it soon will. -
Message 23
Posted by Mr Snowy (U2260171) on Monday, 17th December 2007
Welcome back, Mr K. It's just a pity you spotted me taken Ms Whitburn's name in vain again
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Message 24
Posted by FotheringtonThomas (U3506938) on Wednesday, 19th December 2007
It can take a while - something to do with the number and frequencies of posts I think. The 'Snorking for Newbies' thread in The Bull is the place to go - post a few messages over a couple of days and it should come out alright.
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