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Posted by AddictKeith (U4844160) on Sunday, 27th April 2008
I must confess to being totally confused.
On 12 September 2006, a man came into Ambridge Organics, and Helen took an immediate liking to him.
We later found out his name was Ross, and I thought his other name was Kerby, and that he was played by Oliver le Sueur. He was a reporter on the Borchester Echo.
He later, unceremoneously, dumped Helen.
Tonight, Ross Adams turns up, also a Borchester Echo reporter, but this time played by James Howard.
Is this the same Ross, and if so, in 2006 did I get his last name wrong?
I'd appreciate someone put me out of my misery. Maybe Mr K could help if no-one else knows.
Thanks.
Keith
See 'Ross Adams' link on main MB. apparently it is he - tho doesn't sound like the smarmy sleuth Helen fancied.
, in reply to message 2.
Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Monday, 28th April 2008
And--an additional query--I've asked if this James Howard is the same person as James, the son of actor Alan Howard.
We didn't give Ross a surname in his earlier appearances. This is the same character, now given a full name. Unfortunately we couldn't get the same actor to play the part (he is in the USA at the moment), so we had to re-cast.
Hope that clears it up!
, in reply to message 4.
Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Monday, 28th April 2008
Keri, could you answer my question too, please? I don't suppose he is Alan Howard's son, but I'd be interested to know!
Keri, yes, indeed, it clarrifies things completely. Many thanks. I really don't know where I got the name Kirby from!
Keith
Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05 GMT, in reply to Keri Davies - Host in message 4
from the Lowfield summaries:
"Thursday 14th September
* Helen's mystery customer has paid another call on Ambridge Organics, clearly drawn there by more than vegetables. They introduce themselves; he is Ross */Kirby/* , a reporter on The Echo. "
Er -
We didn't give Ross a surname in his earlier appearances.Ìý
you did.
Well done, Keith!
Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:08 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 7
oops - 2006
Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:20 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 8
Just a thought - is Ross Kirby-Abbot any relation to Owen king aka Gareth Taylor aka Marcus Dixon aka Someone else?
Rosie, Rosie, Rosie!!!
You know me, and all my notes.
Thank you for coming to my rescue. I don't normally imagine these things, but I thought that from Keri's reply, I must have done on this occasion.
It'll be interesting to see what develops!
Keith
Aha. I'll pass this on to the team.
Tue, 06 May 2008 14:14 GMT, in reply to Keri Davies - Host in message 11
bump for keith (and Keri)
Tue, 06 May 2008 14:56 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 12
Bump again
Yes, Helen's Ross was identified as Ross Kirby, which wasn't picked up when we resurrected the character.
This must therefore be a different Ross (helpfully it is a different actor).
Tue, 06 May 2008 15:13 GMT, in reply to Keri Davies - Host in message 14
from message 4, keri davis:
"This is the same character, now given a full name."
Now
This must therefore be a different RossÌý
Wouldn't it be better just to apologise, or won't vanessa allow this?
and both journalists with the Echo. It's like Thompson and Thomson in 'Tin-Tin'.
Well now ...
Firstly, thank you Rosie for your bumps. I wouldn't know how to do this.
And, thanks, Keri, for the explanation. It doesn't sound wholly convincing, but I guess I'll have to go along with it. But, Ross isn't exactly that common a name! And, having two Ross's on the same paper, as has been mentioned above, would be fairly uncommon!
Maybe I could slightly misquote the Bard here:
"A Ross by any other name ...".
Keith
Still a bit foncused. There are now 2 characters named Ross.
Ross Kirby & Ross Adams. Both reporters on the Echo coincidentally.
(Didn't think it would be big enough for 2 cub reporters)
Ross Kirby dumped Helen therefore
Ross Adams won't recognise her?
This could be a new romantic lead for Helen - if she has no aversion to name Ross?
Ross Abbot is someone else entirely?
Have I got it right?
smarchers in message 18
And even Keri thought last week that it _was_ the same character, Helen's stalkee.
So how is he going to resolve this one?
What about those listeners on the DAMB who haven't twigged.
I think they should be told.
I'm pretty sure that an obvious mistake was made here, and Keri is doing his best to try and make amends.
I just hope that, if he's in Ambridge much longer, Ross doesn't meet too many people who just might remember him from his previous appearance - Helen, Ruth, Tom, Brenda and Kirsty. That might be a tad awkward!
Keith
Yes, Helen's Ross was identified as Ross Kirby, which wasn't picked up when we resurrected the character. Ìý
Is it possible that the SWs don't listen to TA?
, in reply to message 22.
Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Tuesday, 6th May 2008
Not only the SWs - the actors don't either.
Put it down in the book with the other mistakes.
Bring back dog-eared filing cards. There must be a fandangly new system that isn't working, is all I can say.
Thank goodness for the MB to clear things up.
Oh, no! Do you mean that this isn't, after all, the longed-for Return of Cucumberman?
I am distraught.
'Ö'
Oh c'mmon chaps it's not that important - I thought Keri's response was rather stylish; smoothly diplomatic between not quite admitting a mistake and not letting down SW colleagues.
Keri, you could work for the United Nations or the Zimbabwe electoral board, but we need you too much to let you go!!
Wed, 07 May 2008 18:43 GMT, in reply to smarchers in message 20
Perhaps Ross Kirby married Melissa Adams (and changed his name) since his last appearance?
Who's Melissa Adams? Can't be a firend of Helen's.
Why would he change his name to hers? To bamboozle Helen?
It doesn't sound wholly convincing,Ìý It doesn't sound at all convincing. Less than a week before, we were assured it /was/ the same character.
Rosie, I of course realise it wasn't a satisfactory reply. I guess I was just trying to be a bit kind to Keri.
These things should be picked up. And, what's Camilla Fisher doing in all this? Surely it's part of the remit of an archivist.
Keith
, in reply to message 29.
Posted by boredmakingupnames (U10804066) on Thursday, 8th May 2008
Well in my mind it is firmly the same man and I am just waited for him to return to Ambridge for some more dirt digging and to bump into Hellcat.
I don't think it's really appropriate to single out an individual in that way, Keith.
But for the record, this happened at a time when Camilla was not doing her usual job, as she was filling in for a colleague.
well luckily they won't recognise him as its a different actor!
No a smart side step and swift move on much better than a boring apology.
Perhaps he's Kirby in town and Adams in the country? Does he have an Aunt Augusta? Was he found in a handbag?
Will he run into Helen? Will they recognize each other?
Or perhaps one Ross is from a left-handed universe and when the two meet the universe will explode.
Keri, please accept my sincere apology. I shouldn't have singled anyone out.
Keith
Ross explains:
Fri, 09 May 2008 21:33 GMT, in reply to typewright in message 36
But the programme does not! That just not the case.
i know, Rosie.
I'm guilty of manipulating TA facts as fiction.
Thought I might give K a let-out (good lord! what a crawly thing to do)
But there ain't no denying Rosie T of the boundless knowledge. Thank flipping goodness.
Continuity c0ck-up.
Ross Kirby changed his name to Ross Adams because he was sick and tired of being stalked by one Helen Archer.
He moved house, changed his home and mobile numbers and his name. So when Helen called The Echo to speak to him, they said there was no such person working there anymore. She believed them, because she has not seen the name Ross Kirby in The Echo since.
But he still writes his column under the nom de plume Cucumberman, which is a bit of a giveaway.
'Ö'
>But the programme does not!
But I have. I said that we intended them to be the same but because of a continuity slip they were given differing surnames. So, because there is no on-air conflict they must be different Rosses.
Ross Kirby changed his name to Ross Adams because he was sick and tired of being stalked by one Helen Archer.
Ìý
That has the ring of truth about it, and leaves open the possibility of future plot developments as the mad cheesemonger loses what little grip oin reality remains to her. I prefer it to Keri's laughable notion of a "continuity slip" (The very idea!) and I shall therefore include in my own, internal, picture of Ambridge: Ross going about his business in Ambridge with frequent nervous glances lest Helen appear waving a cheeseknife...
VH
, in reply to message 42.
Posted by Dusty Substances (U1474929) on Saturday, 10th May 2008
Here is a possibility.
Helen hears that the offending journo is Ross, thinks it is Ross and goes off to see if she can bump into him, which she does. She says sorry, she thought he was Ross, he says he isn't Ross but is actually Ross and this sort of thing has been happening all the time and does she fancy going for a coffee?
Sorted out. Sorry, 'sorted'. I spose. Mebbe.
Dx
Like it, Dusty, except I expect Helen to stalk the new improved Cucumberman (extra 10% free) none the less. Personally he could probe me anytime on Vicars, Hindis, hickies ... contd P94
, in reply to message 44.
Posted by Dusty Substances (U1474929) on Saturday, 10th May 2008
You are a strumpet Fielders.
However, you may be right. Helen has been dead quiet lately so we could be in for a biggie.
Dx
Or a cucumber.
'Ö'
, in reply to message 46.
Posted by Dusty Substances (U1474929) on Saturday, 10th May 2008
Is that you?
I used to be regularly surprised by cucumbers when I appeared in panto. I must find out if Ross was one of our demon froglets or something. Dx
Cucumbers? It isn't time for the Flower & peoduce already is it? We haven't had Bert comparing the size of his with any else's yet.
VH
, in reply to message 48.
Posted by Dusty Substances (U1474929) on Saturday, 10th May 2008
I don't know if they are growing them in the polytunnel? Adam might be able to offer Ross who isn't Ross an early cucumber.
Dx
Couldn't he still be the same Ross? Perhaps he's a Kirby-Adams...who doesn't always use his double-barrelled surname. Sometimes he's a Kirby and other times an Adams - giving the Echo an illusion of journalistic depth.
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