Messageboard
Notes and Queries permalink
Educating Archers
This discussion has been closed.
-
Message 1.Â
Posted by Railwaymansdaughter (U10810752) on Tuesday, 2nd September 2008
Could some long listening souls please tell me how the education of the Brokefield Four panned out. Shula and Kenton apparently went to the local (grammar?) school but for some reason David and Elizabeth went to boarding (and presumably) private schools. How did this come about? Seem to recall Jill being pretty anti private education when the saga of Pip and the Cathedral School was unwinding.
-
Message 2
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Tuesday, 2nd September 2008
Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:03 GMT, in reply to Railwaymansdaughter in message 1
Compromise. -
Message 3
Posted by GT49er (U1745246) on Tuesday, 2nd September 2008
I think the younger Archers (David at least) weren't quite as academically bright as the twins, and may not have got to grammar school. Also, Brookfield was, I think, getting steadily more prosperous at the time and P'n'J could afford it.
Also, weren't they in boarding school around the time Jill was ill? -
Message 4
Posted by bob larkin (U2297537) on Tuesday, 2nd September 2008
RD
Snap.
This has been worrying me for some time (I must get out more).
The obvious inference is that Phil 'n' Jill came into money.
One possibility is the largesse of someone like Aunt Laura (Willyum is not the only one with a fairy godmother).
But there is another possibility. (And as Sherlock Holmes said, once you have eliminated the impossible you are left with the improbable):
The mail fan robbery is often unfairly and slanderously pinned on Nelson Gabriel.
In reality was it masterminded by Phil Archer, with or without his fragrant wife?
bob -
Message 5
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) ** on Tuesday, 2nd September 2008
Tue, 02 Sep 2008 21:17 GMT, in reply to bob larkin in message 4
The mail fan robberyÂ
Post Office! Post Office! Rah! Rah! Rah! -
Message 6
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Phil cameinto money before he married Jill, becuase he had a payout on Grace's life insurance. He wanted to spend this on Kenton & Shula's schooling (seemed to be taken for granted that Archers go private then - even Anthony William Daniel did for a while). Whether this contributed to later fees I don;t know
-
Message 7
Posted by bob larkin (U2297537) on Wednesday, 3rd September 2008
Mabel
I do hope you are not suggesting anything improper.
I may have suggested a possible link with the mail van robbery, but even I would baulk at an arson job just to get his horny hands on the insurance money.
It puts our quiet "intellectual" organist in a rather different light.
OTOH you can see that the genes came into play with Shula.
bob -
Message 8
Posted by ginslinger (U10123453) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
I have to say none of them strike me as being particularly academic - more practical types. Really Phil is the only one with a spark of intellectual curiosity with his interest in music and astronomy and I think it is a bit of a shame that Pip who started off as artistic and musical has turned into the standard follow in the family footsteps Archerchild.
However to get back to the point, would the introduction of the Comprehensive system been a factor? -
Message 9
Posted by EJ Morgan (U2233032) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
When I started listening, in the early 1970s, Jill was a county councillor!!!! though of what political stripe was never specified.
Perhaps she was on the education committee and could see what a hash the local schools were making of their students' chances.
On the other hand, perhaps Phil and Jill couldn't stand living in the same house as David and Elizabeth - I have some sympathy with that view. -
Message 10
Posted by bob larkin (U2297537) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
EJ
Interesting contrast with ginslinger.
S(he) suggests that packing them off to boarding school is to give them a better (and more cultured) education.
You suggest that it is to get rid of the obnoxious brats for at least about 30 weeks a year!
bob -
Message 11
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) ** on Saturday, 20th September 2008
Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:25 GMT, in reply to bob larkin in message 10
Are you suggesting these two motivations are incompatible, bob? -
Message 12
Posted by GT49er (U1745246) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
Yes, they are incompatible. The only thing worse than an obnoxious brat is an an obnoxious brat who is smarter than you are.
-
Message 13
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) ** on Sunday, 21st September 2008
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:14 GMT, in reply to GT49er in message 12
Schools don't make brats smarter, just better-informed. -
Message 14
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:18 GMT, in reply to E J Morgan in message 9
When I started listening, in the early 1970s, Jill was a county councillor!!!! though of what political stripe was never specified.Â
Jill has never been a county councillor. She has always been against private education and Phil has been i favour of it. The education of their children is a compromise.
Politically Jill is liberal/Liberal and Phil is a Tory. -
Message 15
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
However to get back to the point, would the introduction of the Comprehensive system been a factor?Â
I don't think so. The South Borsetshire Education Authority or whatever the LEA is called didn't seem to get round to comprehensive schools until long after David had moved onto secondary school. Shula and Kenton passed the 11+ - it was before my time, but maybe Phil and Jill were tipped off that David was unlikely to pass? That seems perfectly plausible in view of what he's like now. And once having sent one of the children away, it may have come more naturally to do the same for Elizabeth, with the additional factor that she must have been absolutely obnoxious as a teenager, again judging from how she is now. Additionally, I think the grammar school may have been on its way out by her time, but it's before I started listening, so not sure. -
Message 16
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
"Elizabeth Archer
After failing the 11-plus, she was sent to boarding school where she learned the piano and flute* and campaigned to 'Save the whale.' " [New Official companion]
* but I am sure I remember she was a cell player?
"Jill Archer.
Jill has been a member of the Parish council and the rural District Council, and is an active supporter of the WRVS. She was a member of the committee which fought to stop borchester Grammar from going Independent when Borsetshire's education system went comprehensive." [New Official companion] -
Message 17
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
message 16
oops, cello! -
Message 18
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
<-eply to RosieT in message 17
Ah.
The Official Companion has for Elizabeth
"When she was eleven she failed her exam for Borchester Grammar and was sent to boarding school where she learned the piano and flute, joined the Friends of the Earth,' and campaigned to 'Save The Whale.' Then she became a vegetarian and took up the cello." -
Message 19
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:15 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 16
I don't remember any storyline about Jill being a district councillor - as there is no rural district council now this must have been before the 1974 reorganisation of local government. -
Message 20
Posted by One (U8211650) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
Jill was most certainly a menber of the RDC at one time and in the Liberal interest. I think it was before she had her nervous breakdown (or whatever they called in in those days).
-
Message 21
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:55 GMT, in reply to Reggie Trentham in message 20
This is how I remember it Reggie. The message was that she had overdone the work outside the village. [But I doubt if I was old enough at the time to understand a nervous breakdown.] Early 70's perhaps? -
Message 22
Posted by EJ Morgan (U2233032) on Monday, 22nd September 2008
Thank you Rosie. She might have been a member of a Rural District Council before 1974 as Mike says, and of course, education would have been a District Council function in those days.
I must have been even younger than I thought when I started listening.
About this Board
Welcome to the Archers Messageboard.
or  to take part in a discussion.
The message board is currently closed for posting.
This messageboard is now closed.
This messageboard is .
Find out more about this board's
Search this Board
Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú iD
Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú navigation
Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú links
Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú © 2014 The Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú is not responsible for the content of external sites. Read more.
This page is best viewed in an up-to-date web browser with style sheets (CSS) enabled. While you will be able to view the content of this page in your current browser, you will not be able to get the full visual experience. Please consider upgrading your browser software or enabling style sheets (CSS) if you are able to do so.