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Message 1.聽
Posted by Patience Boulevard (U2333470) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
I think I know what it means, agreeing to differ, but what is the origin of the phrase? The link to the FAQs isn't working and as I've been offering pink hats to everyone on a thread in DissTA, I feel a bit of a fraud for not knowing how the phrase came into usage. Ta.
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Message 2
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:15 GMT, in reply to Patience Boulevard in message 1
A friend of Wendy Bramley (previously a prolific poster) used to say when people disagreed "Well, we can't all wear pink hats, can we?".
(At least, I think it was Wendy's friend.) -
Message 3
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
reply to Patience Boulevard in message 1
There was a lovely former poster (screen name Charles Rose) who, when he was younger, had had a grocer, who used to say, to try to settle disputes, "Well, we can't all wear pink hats, can we?" We adopted it as messageboard shorthand for "agree to differ2 -
Message 4
Posted by Patience Boulevard (U2333470) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
Ta mike...., I'll tell C-in-C to pop in here.
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Message 5
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:21 GMT, in reply to Patience Boulevard in message 4
I'm sure Rosie's version is correct. -
Message 6
Posted by Patience Boulevard (U2333470) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
Ta Rosie and ta again mike....
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Message 7
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
thanks for the explanation. I'd been expecting something more... concrete? There doesn't seem to be any real relevancy to the expression other than 'someone used to say it'. In fact I don't really find it helps me much. I know it means 'agree to differ' but everyone wearing something that suits nobody doesn't seem to me to be any kind of solution. I think what I sometimes need in here is more like a pink crashhelmet...
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Message 8
Posted by Patience Boulevard (U2333470) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
Maybe pink gins would be better?
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Message 9
Posted by mike (U2254029) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:12 GMT, in reply to Campbell-in-Clogs in message 7
I think a large factor in the phrase being adopted was that it was just based on what one person's friend said. -
Message 10
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
o Campbell-in-Clogs in message 7
But "We'll have to agree to differ" is pretty meaningless, and messageboard jargon is often rather strange. We used to discourse on worats, speculate about the Bolovians encamped on the Village Green, go peebs-tossing, and have parties in the Shepherd's Hut.
It seems a polite enough shorthand for, o.k., lets shake and be friends, but if you don't like it ...
well...
pink hats? -
Message 11
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
for you rosie, for all your wisdom and your generous sharing of it here, I would be more than happy to wear a pink hat. It's not that I 'don't like' the expression, I just had higher expectations of it somehow. I wanted a revelation or summat...
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Message 12
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:36 GMT, in reply to Campbell-in-Clogs in message 11
Twenty-odd years ago a friend told me he was fascinated by a line played backwards in (I think) a "Throbbing Gristle" track.
The line was "One thing is for sure, the sheep is not a creature of the air."
He was bitterly disappointed when I told him it came from Monty Python. -
Message 13
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
O.K., I'll do a Keri, and backinvent:
Seated one day at the computer,
I was weary and ill at ease,
And my fingers wandered idly
Over the laptop keys;
I know not what I was typing,
Or which board posting at,
But I struck one key I鈥檇 not seen before
Which the look of a bright Pink Hat!,
It flooded the mustard monitor,
Like Peggy Woolley鈥檚 Ambridge Rose
And it lay on my fevered inner eye,
With a feeling I cannot compose,
It quieted pain and sorrow,
Like love overcoming strife,
It seemed the harmonious echo
From our discordant life,
I have sought but I seek in vain,
That one pink key, thin or fat
Which came from the lonely computer,
And came to ML queries as 鈥淧ink Hat.鈥. -
Message 14
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Saturday, 7th February 2009
Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:51 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 10
Umm I always understood it as 'what suits one person will not necessarily suit another' i.e. we shouldn't expect or impose uniformity in anything. Either that or a positive welcome for a whole spectrum of headgear. -
Message 15
Posted by irene (U13716349) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
or 'one mans meat is another mans poison'. something eddie grundy could have well done to ponder.
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Message 16
Posted by Patience Boulevard (U2333470) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
What a beautiful pome Rosie, thank you.
And snork irene! -
Message 17
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
to petal jam in message 14
well, pet, it's the same basic idea, isn't it - you say blue hats, I say, stripey hats, but we can't all wear pink hats - - Big-Endians versus little-Endians: and shorter than "all true Believers shall break their Eggs at the convenient End: and which is the convenient End, seems, in my humble Opinion, to be left to every Man's Conscience, or at least in the power of the Chief Magistrate to determine." -
Message 18
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:08 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 17
Yes, but it's a bit incongruous for us to agree that such differences are to be respected and then both don the same colour hat. At that point the phrase 'pink hats' becomes the antithesis of what was originally intended [I'm sure there's a technical term for this and someone will enlighten me later.]
[Don't seem to have a hat these days, so no polite formula to hide behind.] -
Message 19
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
reply to petal jam in message 18
I'd never seen it as both posters donning a pink hat each! But as a "We can't /all/ / /each/ wear the same opinion, but we can agree to differ, like those who want/don want to wear pink hats." -
Message 20
Posted by Patience Boulevard (U2333470) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
it's a bit incongruous for us to agree that such differences are to be respected and then both don the same colour hat聽 That is very true petal, and I've not thought about it much before now.
I suppose I could have just bailed out or scrolled on by on the thread in question, rather than offer a trite solution to a situation where there is no solution really.
Who knows, I think I'll stick to threads about the phone box for a few days though. -
Message 21
Posted by irene (U13716349) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
pjji the phrase doesnt ask for us all to don the same hat. it doesnt say 'we /must/ all wear pink hats' it says ' we /cant/ all wear pink hats ...etc. i have never had a problem understanding the meaning of the phrase the day iread it on here. but now i think you are deliberately trying to send me over the edge. short forming it to 'pink hats' i suppose is a problem for anyone who doesnt know the full expression. bit like cockernee rhyming slang. eg.plates. why should that mean feet?
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Message 22
Posted by Patience Boulevard (U2333470) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
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Yes irene. Oh blimey I'm in a muddle now. I think my *use* of pink hats was prolly incorrect as I was offering them around, I suppose kind of saying 'a lot of us mostly agree with each other on this thread, with a few differences here and there, but there are one or two posters, one in particularly, who are doing my head in because they aren't listening at all, in so I'm off but its not a flounce and I don't want to be rude'.
Gloriana, as posted elsethread, I'm going to stick to posting about the phone box for a few days. Am I taking ML too seriously I ask myself. -
Message 23
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:57 GMT, in reply to irene in message 21
Oh Irene fancy you accusing me of coming over all Gaslight [obviously you are Ingrid Bergman in this scenario.]
I agree - I originally knew it as a choice of hat, but I have seen posters say 'we'll have to don *our* pink hats on this one'. Thus far, I think we know what is intended. -
Message 24
Posted by irene (U13716349) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
yes thats right, pjji. subtle, probably unaware, change of wording and the meaning becomes completely different to original intention. bit like 'cheap at half the price' which makes no sense. bet it started out as 'twice' the price.and took an odd turn somewhere or other.
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Message 25
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
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but surely if you wEre to fancy a wee flounce, then a pink hat would be quite the thing to wear whilst doing so?
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Message 26
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:02 GMT, in reply to Campbell-in-Clogs in message 25
Ah - see C-i-c, if pink hats have been proffered at a propitious moment, it obviates the need for /either/ spats /or/ flounces. I fact the hat leaves all other wardrobe items in tact [sic] and saves one even getting ones coat. -
Message 27
Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Sunday, 8th February 2009
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Ooh, applause!!
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