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Message 1.Â
Posted by scpenners (U13770717) on Monday, 9th March 2009
Oh dear Linda ... who did yr research re Cats protection? I'm a volunteer, and the organisation dropped the very old-fashioned word 'league' yonks ago ... last night (or was it Friday?) you said it - league - more than once ... even calling it 'the league' .. as Tony Blair might say, its 'protection, protection, protection' !!! NO LEAGUE!
I must be shocked cos this is the first time I've managed to remember my passwords etc and get myself on the message-board! Really, I only wanted to leave a msg for the prog writers!
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Message 2
Posted by smarttedebear (U3614285) on Monday, 9th March 2009
This brought to mind something Michael Grade said the other day about Emmerdale Farm being a very popular programme. Well, it is, but has not been called Emmerdale Farm since 1989, now being called Emmerdale, of course. No connection really to your post, just an example of lack of research, or somebody not bothering to check something because they did not realise a name had changed!
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Message 3
Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Monday, 9th March 2009
I have been a supporter of (The) Cats Protection (League) for several years and still think of it under the old title. In particular, the abbreviation "CP" carries quite different connotations to feline welfare.
I find it very irritating when charities, which benefit from public subsidy in the shape of various forms of tax relief, expend their scarce resources on rebranding exercises. -
Message 4
Posted by Keri Davies (U2219620) on Monday, 9th March 2009
And it is a very natural thing to say.
It's like the Scouts. They haven't been "Boy Scouts" for decades, but you still frequently hear that phrase. -
Message 5
Posted by scpenners (U13770717) on Monday, 9th March 2009
Fair enuf wot u say re rebranding .. costing money .. but I'm a more recent volunteer therefore to me it IS just 'Cats Protection' .. and the press in general and the writers on the Archers in particular REALLY should know .. Linda herself would NEVER get something like that wrong .. she is so fussy and a bit of a writer and researcher - and animal lover - herself. As to the word 'league' can u imagine a gym or fitness outfit calling itself 'the league of health and fitness' ?! Remember the black and white films of already slim ladies doing some gentle stretching? Modern marketing and language is vital to attract new people and money - whatever the cause.
I'm amazed that as 'Linda' read the script, no-one around 'put her right' or raised any query! But there you go.
I'd like to tell Gordon Brown that he'll never end child poverty, cos it doesn't matter what you give to parents if they choose to spend it on themselves kids will never benefit and always be poor - but that's another story .. not the Archers! -
Message 6
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Monday, 9th March 2009
Hello, scpenners, and welcome to the MB. I think we all have moments like this - somebody says something about something we know quite a lot about, and we think 'How can they possibly not know....' And yet it happens all the time. It would be more unrealistic if everyone on The Archers got everything right, surely?
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Message 7
Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 9th March 2009
Linda herself would NEVER get something like that wrong .. she is so fussy...
I'm amazed that as 'Linda' read the script, no-one around 'put her right' or raised any query! But there you go.Â
I'm of the same generation as Lynda and there are all sorts of institutions which have radically changed their names (Marriage Guidance Council), turned themselves into initials (British Home Stores) or initialised themselves (British Telecom) from the ones I know.. Although I'm aware of this I still habitually refer to them by the name with which I am familiar. I'm sure Lynda does the same.
I wouldn't expect anyone I was talking to, especially about a name so similar to the original as Cats Protection, to correct me because they would understand what I was talking about and they would be too well mannered to do so anyway.
I wasn't aware that the Cats' Protection League had changed its name. Now I know I will be aware of it if I have to speak or write about it but will no doubt still refer to it by its original name. -
Message 8
Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 9th March 2009
turned themselves into initials (British Home Stores) or initialised themselves (British Telecom)Â
But unlike Lynda I'm getting senile. That should read 'turned themselves into initials (British Home Stores) or made themselves one word( Amnesty International)...' -
Message 9
Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Monday, 9th March 2009
... or rebranded to such an effect that the original message is lost (National Children's Homes ... NCH ... Action For Children).
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Message 10
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Monday, 9th March 2009
I'd assumed the People who talked about "Cats Protection" were being rather odd, like those who chummily refer to going to see "The Dream," when they mean "A Midsummer Night's Dream:" or who refer to "Larry and Vivien" assuming /everybody/ knows they mean Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh.
But I had no idea that the Cats Protection League had changed names. Why? -
Message 11
Posted by scpenners (U13770717) on Monday, 9th March 2009
Hi dragonfly .. I spose u r right. I just somehow trust the Archers to do their research! Whenever my husband says (of some topic on the Archers) 'that can't be right' .. for instance, some aspects of Jack's alzheimers and Shula's insurance company agreeing to pay up after the robbery, I always say 'it must be right .. everything is researched, you know' ...
Mind u, despite all its awards, my husband noticed a 'mistake' in the policeman's questioning of Jamal in SLUMDOG MILLIONNAIRE - a question (around murdering a man) that would have been appropriate if the screenplay had followed the book ... he's brought this up where he works and his colleagues agree with him ... anyone else noticed that one? (nothing to do with the Archers - and my husband may well be wrong!) -
Message 12
Posted by supertillypops (U7654482) on Monday, 9th March 2009
scpenners, I'm with you on this one. It really grated and I was shouting at the radio when I heard Lynda keep repeating it.
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Message 13
Posted by scpenners (U13770717) on Monday, 9th March 2009
supertillypops .. so glad u r with me ... u seem to be more or less the only one! Have u noticed the response from Keri Davis - I think the producer - makes out it just naturally slips off the tongue to say 'league' ... my xxxx ! Wish someone from CP press office wd come on ... say why the name was changed, how long ago, etc...
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Message 14
Posted by JoLean (U2258866) on Monday, 9th March 2009
I also had no idea it wasn't the Cat's Protection League any more. People still talk about the gas board, etc. Perfectly natural, I think.
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Message 15
Posted by scpenners (U13770717) on Monday, 9th March 2009
Jolean .. u must know some strange people .. I'm over 60 and have not heard of 'the gas board' for more years than I care to remember .. in fact, I'd forgotten it was ever called that till you reminded me .. especially with 'British Gas' having such a good press of late ! (Isn't it owned by the French, anyway? - yet called British!).... names eh. Still, they keep a good discussion going.
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Message 16
Posted by supertillypops (U7654482) on Monday, 9th March 2009
Have just put in a request on Cat Club, scpenners.
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Message 17
Posted by catwomyn (U1485618) on Tuesday, 10th March 2009
Another volunteer reporting for duty. I've only been involved actively for about 3 years or so, and CP rebranded in the nineties, so I only refer to it as Cats Protection. So I too am surprised at the League mention, but only because I wasn't hugely aware of it before it ditched the League.
If that makes sense...
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Message 18
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Tuesday, 10th March 2009
Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:14 GMT, in reply to catwomyn in message 17
How many people still make reference to "An everyday story of country folk"...?
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Message 19
Posted by smarttedebear (U3614285) on Tuesday, 10th March 2009
>I'm amazed that as 'Linda' read the script, no-one around 'put her right' or raised any query! But there you go<
I am always surprised when a mistake makes its way on to the broadcast episode. For example, Jennifer referred to Shula as her niece. I would have thought that alarm bells would have rung for the entire ensemble in the studio that day. -
Message 20
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Tuesday, 10th March 2009
Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:20 GMT, in reply to Dragonfly in message 6
Beaming smile. [But much less fun.] -
Message 21
Posted by Elnora Cornstalk (U5646495) on Wednesday, 11th March 2009
I agree. It's very hard to research something if you've no idea there's anything askew about your current knowledge. Even when you are aware of changes, it's often easy to slip back. ('British Rail' sandwich, anyone?) -
Message 22
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Wednesday, 11th March 2009
to Elnora Cornstalk in message 21
Goo point, Elnora - you don't research plenty of stuff unless you think it affects the storyline (eg dates of conception and expected birth dates) (Ah).
Can I still donate to
Help the Age
or ha that been rebranded? -
Message 23
Posted by Quezzie (U2255959) on Tuesday, 17th March 2009
Which Age did you want to help Rosie?
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Message 24
Posted by polly (U2284933) on Tuesday, 17th March 2009
Oh dear Linda ... who did yr research re Cats protection? I'm a volunteer, and the organisation dropped the very old-fashioned word 'league' yonks ago ... last night (or was it Friday?) you said it - league - more than once ... even calling it 'the league' .. as Tony Blair might say, its 'protection, protection, protection' !!! NO LEAGUE!Â
Oh heck I got my two cats last year from what I thought of as The Cats Protection League and I'm still telling everyone that's where I got them from, no one has thought to tell me I've got it wrong. Ooops.
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Message 25
Posted by scpenners (U13770717) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009
Hi last poster ... re just realising it is not the league ... never mind .. u know now! I'm the one who started all this but am a bit more mellow about it now ... at least it got me learning to post things and use the message board, which is great! Hope your CP cats are doing well with you and that u luv them to bits!
She P. (CP volunteer) by the way, with the credit crunch there are now lots of older cats needing 'repossessing' cos their owners r losing homes ... so cd someone (writers) tell Lynda Snell to give CP a bit more free publicity on this one??!! -
Message 26
Posted by LJG1410 (U10452997) on Thursday, 9th April 2009
(Help the Aged has merged with Age Concern, I think we are being invited to suggest or vote on a name for the new charity, but can't find where or how.)
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Message 27
Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Thursday, 9th April 2009
Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:29 GMT, in reply to scpenners in message 25
so cd someone (writers) tell Lynda Snell to give CP a bit more free publicity on this one??!!Â
Nooooooooooo!
Cats get too much / so much publicity already. I thnk Lynda would leap on board the "Save our Squirrels" campaign, or the Red Squirrel Suvival Trust, both of which campaign to save the red squirrel. Fewer of them than cats, & at much more risk, & both charities desperately need dosh! -
Message 28
Posted by Vicarshusband (U6051871) on Thursday, 9th April 2009
Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:16 GMT, in reply to scpenners in message 15
Jolean .. u must know some strange people .. I'm over 60 and have not heard of 'the gas board' for more years than I care to rememberÂ
I'm 41 and I talk about the Gas Board, the Electricity Board, even the water Board (and that must have changed when I was, what, 6 or 7?)
I think the point is Jolean that if you are involved with an organisation you may tend to get this right whereas others, only vaguely aware, will just use the term they always have. Let me try a simple test. If you have to check something about your tax, who do you contact?
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Message 29
Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Thursday, 9th April 2009
Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:35 GMT, in reply to Vicarshusband in message 28
FWIW, VH, I'm with you on this: am also your age, and also tend to refer to the XYZ Board. I also would (and still do) refer to the Cats Protection League, since the first I heard of the word league being dropped was in this thread.
Mind you I would be hard pressed to say what the Spastics Society is now called, and without Googling, would have the same problem with Mencap.
If you have no reason to be in contact with/aware of a charity and are not exposed to its marketing & advertising, then it is difficult to know how you would be aware of a change in its name. -
Message 30
Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Thursday, 9th April 2009
Yes, most people still refer to the Inland Revenue.
A similar example is the basic rate of income tax. It stopped being the standard rate in 1973, but one still sees the old wording used.
In reply to Mustafa, I think that it's Scope. -
Message 31
Posted by polly (U2284933) on Thursday, 9th April 2009
Message posted by scpenners
Hi last poster ... re just realising it is not the league ... never mind .. u know now! I'm the one who started all this but am a bit more mellow about it now ... at least it got me learning to post things and use the message board, which is great! Hope your CP cats are doing well with you and that u luv them to bits!Â
They are fine thank you, getting bigger by the minute and all the voles and field mice are scared to venture out. (The cats have got bells and stuff on their collars to no avail) -
Message 32
Posted by smarttedebear (U3614285) on Thursday, 9th April 2009
In reply to Mustafa- I think that Mencap is still called Mencap and the president is Lord Brian Rix. I heard him on a very interesting Desert Island Discs recently.
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