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Message 1.Â
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Friday, 3rd April 2009
I was pleased to hear the other day Helen telling Tom that she couldn't stock his sausages until he moved back to organic production (how his ethics suffered when he was taking Uncle Bran's coin!) but that revived an old question about Helen selling Oliver's cheese in the shop.
How come Helen is selling non organic cheese (and I bet Anne Baxter's cheese isn't organic either) and yet refusing to stock non organic sausages? It doesn't make any sense.
Personally I'd be really cross to go to a shop that proudly labelled itself 'organic' to find non organic produce in there. I'm amazed that Mrs Noakes hasn't got Trading Standards in there by now. -
Message 2
Posted by Vicarshusband (U6051871) on Friday, 3rd April 2009
Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:21 GMT, in reply to cath in message 1
Does she sell it? I know they gave away samples of it free (I seem to remember a discussion of the ethics of that) but I vaguely thought that they didn't actually sell it.
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Message 3
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Friday, 3rd April 2009
She sold 4oz to Shula the other week. And tried to get Usha to buy some of Anne Baxter's cheese even more recently.
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Message 4
Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Friday, 3rd April 2009
She's a walking, talking contradiction, Cath. Would be interested to read the response.
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Message 5
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Friday, 3rd April 2009
Oh right, thanks Leaps.
Me too, this is something that's been gnawing away at me for a while. -
Message 6
Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Friday, 3rd April 2009
Eek! I meant that Helen is a walking, talking contradiction, not you.
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Message 7
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Friday, 3rd April 2009
Er sorry Leaps I knew what you meant, was referring to what I thought was your pointing out the seeming pointlessness of querying Helen's actions, as she is of course completely bonkers. But I would've thought Pat might have questioned what is going on.
Oh blimey, another wicket! -
Message 8
Posted by Keri Davies (U2219620) on Tuesday, 7th April 2009
>She sold 4oz to Shula the other week.
Did she? I'll look into that. But on the other issue, it's perfectly possible for Anne Baxter to make some organic and some non-organic cheese. -
Message 9
Posted by smarttedebear (U3614285) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009
Is she still allowed to sell any sort of cheese in ounces? Shouldn't it be sold in metric weights?
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Message 10
Posted by LJG1410 (U10452997) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009
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Message 11
Posted by U13831300 (U13831300) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009
as long as she used organic rennet as well as organic milk.
are the chipolata kid's sausages going to use organic casings as well as organic dead pig and organic pepper/spices etc?
it's all or nothing - unless there's the equivalent in the 'organicistas' of 'vegetarians' that eat fish -
Message 12
Posted by rosietonthemove (U2260932) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009
it's perfectly possible for Anne Baxter to make some organic and some non-organic cheese. When Oliver asked, before she started making Vommitswold for him, if it was o.k. for his cheese to be made in the Bridge Farm Dairy, Helen said, oh, that's fine, as long as everything is scrubbed clean before and afterwards.
Maybe Anne Baxter has two rooms for cheesemaking, one organic, one inorganic? -
Message 13
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009
Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:57 GMT, in reply to rosietonthemove in message 12
Maybe Anne Baxter has two rooms for cheesemaking, one organic, one inorganic?Â
Mmmmmmmm... Inorganic cheese... -
Message 14
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Wednesday, 8th April 2009
Shula certainly asked for the cheese in ounces but I do that sort of thing too - food imperial, everything else in metric.
Helen may well have converted Shula's request into metric when she cut the cheese - she's of an age when imperial measurements are from another country, but she'll have had to have learnt the conversion factor to cope with old buffers like Shula (and me). -
Message 15
Posted by LJG1410 (U10452997) on Thursday, 9th April 2009
Is Shula really an old buffer at 50?
"The UK first mooted plans to convert to an all-metric system in 1965.
That led to generations of schoolchildren being promised that they would be the last ones who would have to learn two different systems." -
Message 16
Posted by Keri Davies (U2219620) on Friday, 10th April 2009
I was taught the two systems, and as a result use a peculiar mishmash of units. Metric for linear measurements and distances of say up to 400 metres, then miles (and their fractions).
Litres for fluids (except milk and beer) and pounds and ozs when cooking.
Confused? I am... -
Message 17
Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Friday, 10th April 2009
I was taught metric at school but had already learned the imperial system by the time I went to school, and couldn't see a need to change. So I mainly work in imperial. When I see 'metres' I think 'yards' and can picture it. I do mostly use metric for cooking, because I taught myself to cook after recipe books went to metric. Still prefer pounds and ounces for buying fresh produce, though, and fortunately the new stall at my local market will work with them.
Perhaps my measuring schizophrenia is most sharply shown by the fact that I can only 'feel' weather temperatures in Fahrenheit up to about 80-85 degrees, and hotter than that in Centigrade. This is because the only times I've lived in hotter temperatures have been in countries that used metric.
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Message 18
Posted by LJG1410 (U10452997) on Saturday, 11th April 2009
I remember elderly people in 1971 were saying they should have waited till all the old people had died out.
But Shula wasn't even a teenager then.
When does old-bufferdom start? Surely not at 50 nowadays? -
Message 19
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Saturday, 11th April 2009
Well I'm an old buffer LJG. When at primary school we had those exercise books with weird measures on the back and we would get marks for knowing how many chains in a furlong, that sort of thing.
When I went to college our Head of Dept gave us an introductory talk about SI and about how we had to use SI units under pain of death - he had chaired one of the committees - physical chemistry? - and so he was SI mad. So I am fully SI'd on that side of the fence. But food, no, though I can do the conversion if pressed. And yes, miles and miles to the gallon but litres in my petrol tank, gallons in my watering can, mls of tomato food.
That's old bufferdom for you. And Shula's no different, she's an oz of food woman too.
PS Shula was a teenager in 1971. Just. -
Message 20
Posted by doughy hood (U2352167) on Saturday, 11th April 2009
Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:24 GMT, in reply to rosietonthemove in message 12
as long as everything is scrubbed clean before and afterwards.Â
I should blumming well hope that the food handling areas are spotless *every* time!
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Message 21
Posted by LJG1410 (U10452997) on Saturday, 11th April 2009
I was thinking of February 1971, that was when people were saying they should have waited until all the old people had died off, and Shula was not a teenager then.
How sad to be an old buffer at 50.
Now, when I was her age ... -
Message 22
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Saturday, 11th April 2009
But where do you think the mank that goes into mankwold comes from?
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Message 23
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Saturday, 11th April 2009
Oh you're talking about decimalisation, I see. Well I think most of us managed to cope with that.
I was talking about imperial/metric weights and measures. -
Message 24
Posted by LJG1410 (U10452997) on Sunday, 12th April 2009
I thought weights and measures and everything else was supposed to go decimal shortly after that?
It is sad if Helen's generation still has to learn about ounces just because some people are too old-buffery when they're only 50, isn't it? -
Message 25
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Sunday, 12th April 2009
Sun, 12 Apr 2009 07:48 GMT, in reply to LJG1410 in message 24
Presumably Ambridge Organics still use ounces in deference to the large hippy contingent who shop there and use ounces every day in their... ahem... other transactions. -
Message 26
Posted by patriarchou (U11317033) on Sunday, 12th April 2009
When at primary school we had those exercise books with weird measures on the back and we would get marks for knowing how many chains in a furlong, that sort of thing.Â
I've still got a few of these knocking about my house Cath.
I always ask for quantities of food in imperial terms. No-one ever refuses, or looks even vaguely puzzled. There are many of us dinosaurs around (loads in Ambridge) who might well end up with double the required quantity if they tried to request in metric.
Whilst I can convert temperatures from C to F without problem,82 F somehow feels much more Summery than 28 C -
Message 27
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Sunday, 12th April 2009
Decimalisation was brought in by Harold Wilson's govt in the 60s.
The change to metric weights and measures stemmed from the UK joining the EC in 1973 so they're quite separate.
UK scientists adopting SI was their own movement, very sensible when you consider what happened with the Hubble telescope in the US where they mixed and matched SI/imperial.
My adult cooking was heavily influenced by St Delia whose cookery course in the late 70s gave weights in imperial and metric in brackets. And too bad for Helen and her generation. If they're hoping to sell food but can't be bothered to be bi-weightist that's their problem. She could adopt a Basil Fawlty attitude to her customers or she could welcome her customers. She seems to have done the latter so good on her. -
Message 28
Posted by cath (U2234232) on Sunday, 12th April 2009
Ah yes patriarchou, Kenton and the anniversary photograph springs to mind!
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