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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Monday, 20th April 2009
There's been talk on the DTA board of an audience survey that was done/is done to assess the audience's responses to certain characters/SLs etc. and it's also been suggested that the Sws took notice of the survey and based some of their decisions on this.
Sounds fascinating---I hadn't heard about this, but someone says they think Keri mentioned it at a meet. Does anyone know about this? I'd be happy to fill in a survey, esp. if there was a draw with the opportunity to win a prize at the end---like a day with the Sws.
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I don't know about a survey as such, but I do believe the SWs take account of views expressed in places such as these boards, the Archers Addicts, newspapers etc.
If you are thinking of the Helen/Greg scenario, it was definitely said (as far as I recall, by Keri on these boards but I may be wrong.) that Helen and Greg were meant to be a major couple and play a big part in the community but the SWs became aware that the vast majority of listeners varied from deep indifference to total hatred of the couple so they were put much more into the background. I don't know if this was part of the decision to kill Greg off, or if that was going to happen anyway.
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Monday, 20th April 2009
Well that's interesting loveinthemist----I know Keri reads feedback from these boards---and obviously Hedli Niklaus reads 'Archers Addicts' but two things occur to me---are the posters on the messageboard typical of the 'vast majority' (i.e millions, rather than thousands/hundreds) and if not, how do the Sws become aware of how certain characters/SL are being received by the majority?
I've always had a hunch (and it's no more than that) that some of the views frequently expressed on these messageboaards don't represent the listening audience as a whole---I remember Keri saying on here once or twice that 'most' people 'don't have a problem with Ruth' for example.
Leaving that aside, someone did mention a survey....so I thought Keri would know...
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
Keri verified the Greg/Helen thing at Pebble Mill. He also cited a wonderful letter from someone who had 'written to Tony' expressing sympathy for his tragic loss but that he was sure that some day he would be able to get a replacement Fergie as being the thing that he used as evidence when persuading the powers that be to have an Archers Messageboard.
Off message posters were encouraged in those distant days of course.
Dx
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I've always had a hunch (and it's no more than that) that some of the views frequently expressed on these messageboaards don't represent the listening audience as a wholeÂ
Quite so. Most people post in DTA precisely because they have strong views about the programme. People I know who listen but don't lurk here have a much more relaxed view about plots, characters, the representation of contemporary rural life etc.
Reading what's posted and posting there actually changes your view of the programme. My opinions and those of my O/H, who doesn't use this board, have certainly diverged since I started posting here. For instance she believes Ruth and David to be quite astute business people.
I hope and believe that the SW team don't give too much weight to what people say on this board.
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:02 GMT, in reply to Mircalla Karnstein in message 3
I asked Keri this question at the Pebble Mill MB convention and he said that in the old days they had no way of surveying the listeners' views apart from the letters they received (and they used to receive quite a lot) but these had faded away to a trickle after the MB got into its stride.
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Monday, 20th April 2009
So there was never an official survey then, Mike, thanks for that.
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
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Snork! I love that.
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
Yes.
I do not believe that the people who post most in here (or who go to "meets") are representative of listeners generally.
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Monday, 20th April 2009
I suppose it's difficult to tell, LJG. My perception is that there are, broadly speaking two types of posts on DTA----on one side there's the knock about, broadly comic, 'pantomime' slagging off TA stuff and on the other, there are the more measured discussions. There are no unified opinions, but I think there are lots of 'moderate' listeners, who enjoy the programme and don't have so many gripes about it who wouldn't probably wouldn't post here.
Don't know about 'meets'---I've never been to one to find out!
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In reply to Reggie Trentham in message 5
I hope and believe that the SW team don't give too much weight to what people say on this board.Â
That is my view too, Reggie. I certainly listen more closely these days, and am more 'involved' - but I do remember how I listened BML (before ML) and I wasn't anything like as critical! I suspect that the vast majority of listeners are likewise.
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
Coming late to the thread (I've been writing) but nothing to add to the answers already given.
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Monday, 20th April 2009
Thank you, Keri.
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There are probably a lot of listeners who don't join in on message boards like these (or join in briefly and then leave) precisely because of the nasty cliquiness.
I can't even understand why the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú goes on allowing them to behave like that, it could have been stopped long ago. Surely they could easily set up their own private chatrooms for their own purposes?
But perhaps it is precisely because Keri knows them personally via their "meets"?
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Posted by Mad.Curious.Cat (U12816826) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
LJG, I haven't been to any meets and have no intention of going to any, but I don't think that statement is very fair to Keri Davies.
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Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
LJG1410 that is a gross slur on Mr Keri and one which you cannot possibly substantiate.
Of course there is a lot of daft rubbish posted in DTA but unless it breaks the House Rules there is no way Mr K. or anyone has of banning it. Indeed he shows his annoyance with some things that are posted from time to time.
Perhaps you could suggest a way in which the 'nasty cliquish' posters could be excluded and only the serious non-cliquey ones allowed to remain.
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
Reggie & MCC, seconded.
There are some real cobblers posted on this board (and I hope I contribute my bit) but I have to say, together with the WH rubbish on DTA the other day, this is one of the more spiteful and unsubstantiated attacks I've seen around for a while.
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Posted by Lemon Sabotage (U9577550) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
?? good grief.
Loth as I am to enter into any spat-ette in here (plinth, anyone?), I must join in the protest at this.
Possibly there are a few posters who feel as if they know each other better than the rest of us (and so what?), but anyone who is nasty about any other poster in here is usually given very short shrift indeed.
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
I don't "know" LJG, and I can't be certain of course, but is it possible that his/her comment wasn't made of out of "spitefulness" but out of genuine bewilderment at the social dynamics of this board?
It's absolutely untrue, I'm sure, that Keri, who is a fair and even-handed host, favours anyone, whether he's met them at meets or not.
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
, in reply to message 19.
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
He blummin doesn't. If he has a point, he makes it, regardless of any percieved cliqueness.
I've even seen [onboard] him tell rosiet off!
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
Well, Posh, I didn't even know whether 'LJG' was a man or a woman---and I've only read a few of his/her posts over the last couple of weeks, so I can't comment any further....
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
Ooops---sorry-----the 'he' in your post didn't refer to LJG did it? You were talking about Keri. I'm a bit slow on the uptake this morning....
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
, in reply to message 22.
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
s'ok... I realised that.
I've been admonished roundly by Mr K too, and I know there are some posters who think I am part of a percived clique on the basis of posting since the days when the boards were blue.... maybe, like polititans [eh, where did the tit come from] we should be re-elected every 4 years by a jury of our peers.
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
I only found out very recently that there was a time 'when the boards were blue'-----sounds like a song title....
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, in reply to message 24.
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
In days of yore
when work was a bore and we had nothing better to do.
We'd go on line to pass the time
In the days that the boards were blue.
But things are so much better now
dear poster, you understand.
we can go off topic [ooh, and how!]
now it is mustardland.
Link to this forum: Audience surveys--Keri, can you tell us?
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Posted by Mad.Curious.Cat (U12816826) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
Love it, Posh. Applause!
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Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
oo, ta..
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
Yes---great stuff, Posh!
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Posted by Sunny Clouds (U7606212) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
I don't post in DTA much, although I do read it, because I find it extremely difficult to spot which threads are going to be gentle and which are going to be heavy, and I'm not into the approach of some posters of bashing all or most of the characters, but I don't think it's a matter of cliquiness. I may not post in there very often but that doesn't mean that I couldn't.
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
I'm not into the approach of some posters of bashing all or most of the characters, Â
I'm not very keen on that either, Sunny Clouds, and although I'll have a humorous swipe at one or two characters/SL, the idea that *everything*, every character, every SL and all the Sws have to be slagged off as some kind of broad pantomime joke really isn't for me! But you can decide which posts to respond to, and which to ignore/scroll through if it's not your sense of humour, I suppose.
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, in reply to message 25.
Posted by posh_scouse_pinnedwithpride (U2514024) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
But then, my friend, we had a scheme
fondly called time order.
Which is why a cry is often heard
from an old time message boarder..
'Bring back those halcyon days gone past..
First message now is not your last!'
But times move on, and boards long gone
are memories last repast.
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In reply to Sunny Clouds in message 29
Sunny, like Mircalla, I don't go in for the bashing threads, and when a positive-ish thread starts getting too much into the bashing, then I just leave it. Simple as that. /Please/ come in and have your say - it is just as valid as any other poster's!
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, in reply to message 32.
Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
Absolutely right, Bette! And there's no point, (I've learned the hard way!) in being sucked into 'discussions' with posters who are on a different wave-length. Plenty of people around who enjoy a reasonable exchange of views....
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, in reply to message 33.
Posted by Sunny Clouds (U7606212) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
Yes, I should post more often. I only mentioned it here because of the suggestion of cliquiness, which I wanted to refute. I shall try to think of something meaningful to say on there!
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Posted by Mad.Curious.Cat (U12816826) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009
Posh, I hope Rosie sees that. I'm sure she will appreciate that beautiful "ode to time order".
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Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:48 GMT, in reply to Mircalla Karnstein in message 3
I've always had a hunch (and it's no more than that) that some of the views frequently expressed on these messageboaards don't represent the listening audience as a whole---I remember Keri saying on here once or twice that 'most' people 'don't have a problem with Ruth' for example.Â
I'd also agree with you and Bette there, Mircalla. We're but a 1,000 or so of the millions of listeners.
Also to point out that the MBs respond to the story as it's broadcast: but according to Mr Keri in previous discussions of this, storylines are generally sketched out up to a year in advance, and written and recorded at least 3 months in advance. So if opinion on MBs does have an influence, it's a very general one -- at the level of broad response to a character or storyline over time, rather than specific events, I would have thought.
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, in reply to message 36.
Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Friday, 24th April 2009
If anyone in the productiom team DID see this board as a sample of the listening public and DID view it as a sounding board, then my guess is that it wouldn't affect long terms plans (i.e stuff that was about to be written/recorded for broadcasting in 3 months time, based on the SL sketched out for the coming year) for any major characters. It MIGHT (and I'm not saying it does) affect how a 'one off' SL or 'new character' is regarded----so maybe, (for example) the enthusiasm that's been expressed for Hannah on this board and on AA (see the Sammys) could perhaps persuade the team that yes, this character 'worked' with the audience and would be be popular.
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Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:19 GMT, in reply to Mircalla Karnstein in message 37
Mr K has previously said that the reaction on the MB to Greg and Helen as a couple did affect the way that storyline went.
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, in reply to message 38.
Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Friday, 24th April 2009
But, equally, Mike, the vehement anti-Ruth stuff on this board (of which I'm not a part) hasn't influenced the Sws---despite some people wanting her killed off. And I do wonder sometimes, if sometimes someone who doesn't agree with certain strong, apparently 'majority' opinions, they feel reluctant to put their head above the parapet and express them!
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Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:45 GMT, in reply to Mircalla Karnstein in message 39
1. I haven't done so for the last couple of years but previously I used to organise informal polls on DTA asking what posters thought about individual episodes, storylines etc. Usually I would get about 100 votes or so. Now of course this type of thing isn't a proper opinion survey (which requires a randomly selected sample of at least 1000 listeners) but it is interesting that the answers agreed with the polls taken by Keri via the website (with one or two exceptions). Now (short of doing a "proper" survey) we can't prove this either way, but I have always believed that the views expressed on the boards do reflect those of the larger audience.
2. I agree that you can get a misleading impression from reading the board e.g. that most posters dislike Ruth. This is because posters with that view tend to post it in reaction to her (frequent) appearances and the posters who like Ruth (or think she is just OK) don't respond to every adverse post. When a board survey was done (either initiated or the votes were counted by Bette) we discovered that 55% liked Ruth and 45% disliked her (nearly 200 votes in total, iirc). I think you have to bear in mind when reading the boards that people are much more likely to post negative comments than positive ones.
On the whole, I disagree with the proposition that the boards are unrepresentative of the vast bulk of listeners, but of course I can no more prove my belief is true than you can disprove it.
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Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:15 GMT, in reply to Mircalla Karnstein in message 39
anti-Ruth stuff ... some people wanting her killed offÂ
That's a tad harsh; I'd settle for her being rendered mute.
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Posted by Mircalla Karnstein (U2224491) on Friday, 24th April 2009
well, that's interesting Mike---if you got that result from your poll re. the Ruth issue, i.e fairly evenly balanced, then possibly the board IS representative of the audience as a whole---a poll on another subject might also have found an evenly balanced response.
But, from just reading the board, someone could get the impression that the majority of people didn't really like TA much at all, that they thought the scripts were clunky and full of mistakes etc., As you say, negative statements often can predominate....
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