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Posted by Bleak_Midwinter_Squirrel_Nutcase (U2248205) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009
Not spamming, just uncertain where to post it.
This week, we partial deafsters have suffered confusing initial multiple conversations at Pat'n'Tony's, and now on top of that, the half-inaudible through-the-bathroom-door conversation between Mike and Brenda.
Dramatically realistic maybe, but totally disruptive to those of us who devotedly listen with half an ear because we don't have a lot more.
Might this point be brought to the prod team's notice please?
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Posted by TheWhistlingGnome (U13362336) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009
I was listening in the car to last night's episode and I couldn't hear Brenda either.
TWG
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Posted by kk forever in the cyber atlantis of mustardland (U4670994) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009
Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:09 GMT, in reply to $quirrel Nutca$e in message 1
Although it's not hearing-impaired per se, wot $quigs says also applies to tinnitus suffers ... and I suspect background music or other sound effects can be similarly unhelpful, if they're too intrusive.
>Might this point be brought to the prod team's notice please?
I'll pass it on.
A hearing impaired person I know has great difficulty with background music. His hearing aids tend to pick up this music and if somebody is speaking at the same time he can not make out what they are saying. The drumming at the start of Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú News 24 headlines make the speech inaudible. I can not say whether he would also have difficulty with TA, he does not have the good taste to listen to it!
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Posted by eristheapplethrower (U9524346) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009
For the melophobes amongst us, I agree the theme music is bad enough - but background music is beyond the pale. Listening is a skill but with the pop music and the dialogue which are we supposed to be listening to? It's called attending. Who's going to get the wish of my aural attention - the characters or the songster.
The other week Ed and Emma in the car with the obligatory music. And the music was so loud it drowned out the Ambridge action. Emma and Ed's life was just about to go up an octave. Big decision, cows, tenancy - would Emma be a part of it all, would she be there for the whole nine yards? pant, pant, pant, expectation, expectation, expectation and what did we get - blasted music. And a dip into ennui.
Just because the technology is there - it does not mean it has to be used. Music is too manipulative. And in 12.5 minutes IMO quite unnecessary.
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Posted by Bleak_Midwinter_Squirrel_Nutcase (U2248205) on Friday, 24th April 2009
Thaks, Keri.
I also support the point made about tinnitus sufferers (yes, I have that as well!) and unnecessary, or unnecessarily loud, background music.
I do realise that background SFX (mooing in TA, for example, hahaha) form part of any atmospheric and dramatic toolkit for radio, and I also realise that we deafsters form a minority - though a significant minority, as the population ages. (And no, I did NOT go to loud pop concerts in my misspent youth during the 60s!)
It's really a question of common sense and moderation in the use of multi-voiced mini-crowd scenes, conversations through doors and the like, and ambient music e.g. in a cafe or car. It's such wearing work to listen extra hard, for fear of losing the plot.
That's why I don't go IRL to parties/gatherings any more, unless dragged by my o/h for his professional purposes. It's just too tiring and frustrating.
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Posted by Borsetshire Blue (U2260326) on Saturday, 25th April 2009
I just want to agree with what has been said above. I just gave up trying to hear what Brenda was saying from behind that closed door. I can only hope it wasn't anything important in plot terms. BB
Can I join this one too? When will we get sub titles on the radio? - I'm reduced to trying to follow the synopsis.
Flis
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Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Monday, 27th April 2009
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my ears are fine and I was confused by why everyone seemed to be talking at once during this scene. Seemed daft to me - it just didn't work. Didn't have trouble hearing the bathroom door incident but did find it unbelievable that Mike would dO this! So ok, it was making the point that Brenda was finding being back at her Da's place trying, but it did seem a bit weird that he would try to carry on a 'How was last night?' conversation with his daughter whilst she was in the loo.
background "mussic" is worse, and the marethon noisie was just awful no wonder ruth was sreeeching like pip's barn owl
To be fair, ant, marathon noise is awful, so that was quite realistic.
I have no hearing issues, but I too found the two simultaneous converstations (Pat and Tony and whoever it was) very confusing and thought at first I had the analogue radio playing at the same time but slightly out of synch with the digital one, because it was so awkward to listen to.
Q xx
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Posted by Campbell-in-Clogs (U8123405) on Monday, 27th April 2009
Yes, I thought I was picking up interference from somewhere too. Having two conversations going on at once just _doesn't work_ on radio! It's simply annoying and confusing. Even for those of us who are lucky enough to have fully functioning ears. (Sounds like I can waggle them on command here... I can't!
Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:09 GMT, in reply to Campbell-in-Clogs in message 13
I agree, especially about Brenda muttering through the bathroom door. I'm not hearing impaired and I found that totally baffling.
(This is on my mind because I was annoyed tonight, trying to listen to 3 episodes on my iPod on the train and my fellow passengers wouldn't stop gabbling. If you were in the front coach of the 17.30 from Marylebone, hang your heads in shame!
VH
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