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Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Sunday, 17th May 2009
and her family move to France from the USA?
Eleanor..who she?
Or is it Olivia & family in France?
Oliver has not spoken to Olivia (or James) since the divorce from Jane, that's why he had the loony idea, when Eleanor and family moved to the USA, of fostering, "to get it right this time."
None of his family came to his wedding, did they? Why suddenly have Olily friendly with someone who has blanked him for years?
Sun, 17 May 2009 16:27 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 1
Perhaps "going to stay with them in France" just meant a joint holiday in a gitte?
I thought Eddie said they were going to stay somewhere near where one of Oliver's daughters lives in France?
Perhaps they have had a partial reconciliation. People do, sometimes.
"with Oliver's daughter, in France."
As I said, none of his family went to the wedding, why should they have suddenly made up?
Rosie, refresh my failing memory, do we definitely know that Oliver and Eleanor are estranged or could there have been another reason she wasn't at the wedding? Do we know she wasn't at the wedding for sure, could it be she just wasn't mentioned?
As far as France is concerned she doesn't have to have moved. She could have a holiday house there or be renting somewhere for a holiday.
No, no, Eleanor not estranged, just living too far away!
Olivia and James estranged ones!
Maybe Eleanor could be having hols in France, but why not tell us?
It's That Man Again.
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Posted by kk forever in the cyber atlantis of mustardland (U4670994) on Sunday, 17th May 2009
Sun, 17 May 2009 19:53 GMT, in reply to rosietonthemove in message 9
Please stop, this is most unsettling.
Oliver and Eleanor, my maternal grandparents ... eldest child: Olivia.
James or no James, spooky
KentishKelt in message 10
Good grief, people really DO name their children after themselves?
I thought it was just the horrid Stirling!
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Posted by kk forever in the cyber atlantis of mustardland (U4670994) on Sunday, 17th May 2009
Sun, 17 May 2009 22:09 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 11
Oh yes, it does happen. AFAIK the first two (neo-natal deaths) were called Oliver, and if my aunt hadn't survived then no doubt her younger sister would have been called Olivia ... and if neither of them, nor a few in between, had pulled through then presumably my mother would have acquired the Olivia moniker.
It's um not quite a family tradition* but the family is Irish
* ok, I'm vaguely fibbing because she who did not get called Olivia gave her son, my first cousin, the name of Oliver too.
People do make up.
Jane may have said something, or Eleanor may have matured, or one of her children may be going through a bad phase with their own father ... all sorts of things.
It doesn't have to have been sudden, they wouldn't have told us about the few extra words in a birthday card, or phone calls.
They aren't staying with her, (that would be stressful), but somewhere near her, so they'd be able to see her and perhaps children but not all day every day of the holiday.
I don't know why not going to the wedding means they should never speak to each other ever again as long as they live.
I meant Olivia of course. But I hope Caro will tell Shula about their trip, and how important it was for Ollie to have (partially) restored his relationship with his family, before it was too late.
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I'd prefer they actually went and saw the daughter with the grandchildren, in the USA, as we /know/ they are on good terms with her. We /know/ Oliver had very bad relationships with Olivia and James over the divorce with Jane, they took herside, and they did not attend his wedding to Caroline.
I find this cavalier attitude to known relationships very upsetting.
Why? Do you think that if someone takes sides with one parent over a divorce and then won't attend that parent's wedding they should never be allowed to communicate with that parent ever again?
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I think WE SHOULD BE TOLD. That's what I think. If they have a reconciliation, we should find out by a reference on air. Not that this sw should make mistakes (again) about what we know about the characters.
But I cannot bear this sw and his zillions of mistakes, so I am prejudiced.
I think I prefer to imagine the gradual partial reconciliation.
They can't tell us everything.
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Well, we have heard in mindnumbingly tedious detail about sterling's struggles, why not about his dull daughter's approach to him? Because it didn't happen, that's why, eh? :+)
But why oh y o y, do they make /this/ stuff up about people we don't care about? When they could be telling us about Auntie Chris, or Hugo Barnaby or Demeter, or Ruairi or Phoebe or Kate, or Derek Fletcher cont page 94.
Why am I supposed to care more about "Auntie Chris, or Hugo Barnaby or Demeter, or Ruairi or Phoebe or Kate, or Derek Fletcher" than about Ollie & Ollie anyway?
Tue, 19 May 2009 18:32 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 19
But why oh y o y, do they make /this/ stuff up about people we don't care about?Â
Isn't that pretty much a SW's job description?
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Because we hear about horriblOliver, all the time - but we miss out on real stories of Mrs. Potter, Mr. Pullen's 90th birthday, Hugo returning, how Chris Barford is coping with widowhood, etc.
Not swanky stirling's family, who also don't want to know him!
Perhaps James is yet to come Is Olivia of marriageable age?
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yes she is
I don't think we hear all that much about boring Oliver's boring family.
Did they ever tell us how old they are, whether they have partners and/or children?
It wouldn't take long, only a snippet of telephone conversation, Caro talking to Shula (who isn't interested).
Then they can get back to telling us more about Mrs. Potter and Mr. Pullen.
But if we don't hear anything about people who actually live in the village, but about people such Oliver's estranged relations, or Susan's friends in Edgely, why bother to set the drama in Ambridge? Why not in London? And why not bother to mention some of the villagers who have had speaking voices as well, even if they are single and thus allegedly uninteresting?
The fact that the business is doing so poorly they can't have grace notes at GG, and Caro sacked some of the staff, yet the owners can go on holiday, is compounded by idiocy about an estranged daughter.
Wed, 20 May 2009 09:45 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 26
Caro sacked some of the staff, yet the owners can go on holidayÂ
To be fair, a weekend in France is hardly extravagant - if I had a passport I could /just/ about manage one weekend a year there on benefits. But I wouldn't have spare cash to spend on any other luxuries the rest of the year...
And Oliver will be presumably paying for it out of the money he's expecting to get from the farm as soon as Ed's cheque clears.
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