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Posted by archersaddicts (U4251716) on Sunday, 12th July 2009
Tom and Pheobe are second cousins (as Pheobe is Kate and Roys daughter and Tom and Kate are cousins. However, when Tom and Brenda marry,Roy Tucker, who is Pheobe's father, will technically also be Pheobe's uncle.
Correct. It is fun trying to persuade genealogy software that this kind of thing can happen. I know, as my family has similar relationships.
Time for some new blood in Ambridge then?!
Isn't Phoebe Tom's first cousin once removed ie his first cousin's daughter?
I don't understand how that makes her Roy's neice even by marriage.
, in reply to message 4.
Posted by Urban 'Reg' Chronotis (U2338993) on Sunday, 12th July 2009
Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:58 GMT, in reply to Reggie Trentham in message 4
I concur. First cousin once removed is correct, and I can't see that the marriage changes anything. The only way Phoebe could become Roy's niece would be if she were Tom's daughter.
Reg
Mind you since any offspring of Tom's would be Phoebe's second cousin and any offspring of Brenda's would be her first cousin then their joint children would be both first and second cousin's to Phoebe.
A hundred and fifty or so years ago this sort of relationship, and even more complicated ones would have been usual and unremarked in any English village. Only since the bicycle came into common use have they been exceptional.
reply to Reggie Trentham in message 6
So what relation is Phoebe's Uncle Ruairi, to Tom?
Stepcousin, assuming that such a relationship can exist. Tom is Tony's son whilst Ruairi is Jennifer's stepson.
Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:22 GMT, in reply to rosietonthemove in message 7
No relation.
Incidentally, there are now plenty of 2nd cousins (same great grandfahter/mother in Dan and Doris) - perm any one from each of the following groups and they're 2nd cousins: {Adam, Debbie, Kate, Alice, James, deadJohn, Helen, Tom} and {Meriel. Daniel Pip, Josh, Ben, Lily, Freddie}, i.e we now have 49 pairs of 2nd cousins in Ambridge
I meant "relation if tiresome Brenda marries womanizer Tom"really.
Coo, cousins wherever you look, eh.
< Only since the bicycle came into common use have they been exceptional.>
What has Shula got to do with it?
Shula is Phil's daughter, as is Lizzie. David and Kenton are Phil's sons. As Phil is brother to deceased Jack Archer who married Peggy, Shula and co are cousins to Tony, Jenny and Lillian. This makes them second cousins to Pheobe who is daughter of their first cousin once removed, Kate, daughter of their cousin Jenny.
Pip, Freddy and co are second cousins once removed to Pheobe.
Clear as mud!
Shula and her siblings are first cousins twice removed of Phoebe, not second cousins.
The second cousin relationship is between Pip (etc) and Kate (etc).
ly to mike .... in message 9
So, who does Peggy's Stepdaughter, Hazel, get as step cousins twice removed?
Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:10 GMT, in reply to rosietonthemove in message 14
No one within the enclave as she has no common ancestor with any of them. (AFAWK)
DH.
message 15
But if she is Peggy's step daughter, isn't she step-cousin to Peggy's nieces and nephews?
Would she not be a step cousin of David, Elizabeth, Kenton and Shula? In which case, any grandchildren of theirs would be Hazel's step cousins twice removed.
My head hurts.
Nobody's suggesting Pheobe will be Roy's niece. Roy's her dad. But Pheobe will be TOM's niece because he'll be married to her auntie.
Hazel is no blood relation to anyone in The Archers. Jack Wooley adopted her on his marriage to her mother.
, in reply to message 19.
Posted by Urban 'Reg' Chronotis (U2338993) on Tuesday, 14th July 2009
Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:36 GMT, in reply to weejimmykrankie in message 19
Nobody's suggesting Pheobe will be Roy's niece.Â
I think we have a contender for an addition to Mike's Laws of Mustardland:
Any thread about a complicated subject will be made more complicated by someone who hasn't read the OP.
Reg
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