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Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Saturday, 2nd January 2010
Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:20 GMT
I have never seen this termn and Jazzer asked to borrow Mike's dinner jacket. The trousers go with it (I didn't hear if this was specified, I can't imagine Jazzer and Mike are at all the same waist measurement) but nobody IME ever refers to a dinner suit.
So once again, who subs the synopsis?
Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:58 GMT, in reply to Peggy Monahan in message 1
If you're a cheapskate you borrow someone's (ill fitting) jacket and wear your own black trousers and hope that people don't spot they don't match/ the trousers are not the genuine article.
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Posted by PepperTree But No Petard (U13945752) on Saturday, 2nd January 2010
but nobody IME ever refers to a dinner suit.Â
Please don't think I am trying to be argumentative, but 'dinner suit' is a perfectly normal term that I have heard many times.
I'd agree, it seems a fairly common term to me.
I have heard of a 'dinner jacket' but I have never heard of a 'dinner suit'.
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Posted by boredmakingupnames (U10804066) on Saturday, 2nd January 2010
I understand Dinner Jacket is the correct way to refer to the whole ensemble, rather than a Dinner Suit which of course is actually what it is.
If you borrow or rent a Dinner Jacket you get the troosers as well.
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Posted by PepperTree But No Petard (U13945752) on Saturday, 2nd January 2010
Moss Bros advertise Dinner Suits for hire.
Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:37 GMT, in reply to Marilyn Todd in message 7
Moss Bros advertise Dinner Suits for hire.Â
Indeed they do and in googling that is the only reference you get to the term. Wikipedia throws you to dinner jacket/black tie.
So I don't know where the preceding poster gets the idea it is the "correct" way to refer to the ensemble which as I pointed out does include a special pair of trousers. A GB dictionary or book of etiquette (formal, "correct" manners) doesn't use it.
Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:41 GMT, in reply to Peggy Monahan in message 8
Sorry I misread boredmakingupnames who has the same opinion as I do.
Well I've never heard of "dinner jacket" being used to describe the whole ensemble but my Cambridge daughter says "DJ" is used there. The Oxford ones talk of a "tux". But "dinner suit" seems quite a normal usage to me and a bit of googling finds others rather than Moss Bros using the term.
Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:18 GMT, in reply to Eilis in message 10
Well I have never heard anybody use dinner suit. Dinner jacket or DJ in Britain, tuxedo in the US are what I'm used to using, reading or hearing, whether in Oxford, Cambridge or anywhere else.
So I'll still find the use in the synopsis jars.
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Posted by PepperTree But No Petard (U13945752) on Sunday, 3rd January 2010
What is a synopsis jar?
Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:05 GMT, in reply to Marilyn Todd in message 12
Jar is a verb in this context "sound discordantly, make grating impression upon" OCD.
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Posted by PepperTree But No Petard (U13945752) on Sunday, 3rd January 2010
I was joking...
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Posted by JustJanie - Fairweather Strider (U10822512) on Sunday, 3rd January 2010
Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:50 GMT, in reply to Marilyn Todd in message 14
Wasn't there a jar that appeared only in the synopsis when Will tried to strangle Ed? That would be what was meant, I dare say, Marilyn.
JustJoggingJanie in message 15
white tie and tails
top hat and tails
lounge suit
morning dress
dinner jacket
evening dress
sports jacket
smoking jacket
why not dinner suit?
Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:56 GMT, in reply to RosieT in message 16
Rosie, as you probably noticed in typing out that list the word "suit" doesn't appear often (I occurrence) in descriptions of male clothing ensembles.
Marilyn, sorry, so used to being in teacher mode I just reply as if.
Must say, I've only ever used or heard used the term "dinner jacket" or, on invitations, "black tie".
Have heard the term "morning suit" though, for formal weddings or the races.
lc
A synopsis jar is where Count Arthur Strong keeps his little Maid Memoirs in case he forgets where they are.
And he has several dinner suits, and is proud to call them that.
I think "dinner jacket" is the upper class usage (therefore considered "correct" by some people). "Dinner suit" on the other hand is logical and sensible.
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