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The Memorial Gardens
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 5th March 2010
Where are these, anyone? The War Memorial is clearly shown on the early picture-maps (in The Book of the Archers and VW's Inside Story) as being in the middle of the Village Green, so it can't be there: Alan was moving his tent off the Green and into the Memorial Garden when Jennifer and Lilian saw him.
The space beside the Village Hall is the Dan Archer Memorial Playground, and is labelled "playground" on the map, so it is not a garden. In any case surely it would be called the playground for short, not the memorial when there is already a memorial.
Ms Tayler, can you help? Where is it they are writing about when they write of the Guerilla Gardeners, and Alan pitching his tent there? -
Message 2
Posted by Gene Bailey (U2924633) on Friday, 5th March 2010
This sounds very much like yet another instance of the scriptwriters ignoring the established map of the village/county and making something up which hitherto either did not exist or has never been referred to.
C'mon Tayler, tell me I'm wrong and show me where it is on the interactive map. -
Message 3
Posted by bob larkin (U2297537) on Friday, 5th March 2010
Whatever the actual facts, it seems very unlikely that a small village like Ambridge would have any sort of memorial gardens. A war memorial: probably yes. Anything else: almost certainly no.
(Unless Lawson-Hope had doshed out for his personal one, but then it would be named after him).
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Message 4
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 5th March 2010
Scuirus Vulgaris has just posted
the memorial garden which is part of the churchyard
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in "Dear God, not in the tent?"
I don't remember that ever being stated on air, but it sounds possible. -
Message 5
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Tuesday, 9th March 2010
Tue, 09 Mar 2010 08:50 GMT, in reply to Chris_Ghoti in message 4
No, the Dan Archer Memorial Playground has the Susan Grundy Memorial Bench (I keep pointing this out) and a couple of rose bushes.
It has never been The Memorial garden. -
Message 6
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 9th March 2010
Ms Tayler has now said, in the other thread, that the Memorial Gardens are in the playground, and are there because of it having the memorial bench.
I don't remember that, because I thought there was *a flowerbed* there and I don't call one flowerbed a "garden" let alone "gardens", but that is the official word. -
Message 7
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Tuesday, 9th March 2010
Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:10 GMT, in reply to Chris_Ghoti in message 6
Yes, there is a Susan Grundy memorial bench and another bench (which had the graffitti, Christopher Carter is a f*gg*t") and a flowerbed, but it IS the Dan Archer Memorial Playground for Children. This is NOT a Memorial Garden. -
Message 8
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 9th March 2010
RosieT, I agree with you; I was just pointing out the official reply.
Apparently Joe Grundy objected to it being called "Archer" anything because he wanted it to be for His Susan as well. She died in 1969, so one might think that a memorial to her put up after Dan's death in 1986 was a fraction tardy, but I'm sure Joe was sincere.
Who paid for the bench or benches, and do we know whom the other one commemorates? -
Message 9
Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Tuesday, 9th March 2010
Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:23 GMT, in reply to Chris_Ghoti in message 8
The DAMP had a flowerbed ( Joe planted snowdrops in the memorial flowerbed in memory of Martha and Susan) and was upset, yes, that playground was named after an Archer, but was fobbed off with the bench. There was certainly no grass suitable for tent-pitching ever mentioned.
Why is Ms. Cresswell ignoring Notes and Queries - is the Host job description different now? -
Message 10
Posted by Gene Bailey (U2924633) on Tuesday, 9th March 2010
I fear that perhaps the SWs are being 'found out' by those of us who follow the story lines and thus, the host is making herself scarce. I re-issue my challenge to Tayler - show me the Memorial Garden on the Interactive Map!
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Message 11
Posted by DanskRose (U2257282) on Tuesday, 9th March 2010
To be fair, I suspect Tayler is just 'making herself scarce' in the sense that she has nothing to add to the official (and dotty of course) explanation she has passed on in the other thread.
She doesn't do the scripting. When Keri came back with a barking and implausible explanation from someone for Hayley's wrong due date,there was an outcry and, as part of the prod team rsponsible, he went back and got another very slightly better explanation. Must be a bit harder if you're not a member of the prod team and are just given an answer to take back to the boards. -
Message 12
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Tuesday, 9th March 2010
Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:42 GMT, in reply to RosieT
Rosie I don't think the question is being ignored - more likely the Host thought she gave a full answer here:
Might not be the answer we want... but how often do we get the answer which brings together all the inherent contradictions of the Ambridge Village Envelope?¬)
Ambridge is a radio version of the Tardis. -
Message 13
Posted by mike (U14258103) ** on Wednesday, 10th March 2010
Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:50 GMT, in reply to petal jam in message 12
Here is what Tayler says in the thread Petal mentions:
"The Memorial Gardens is part of the playground next to the Village Hall.
"The playground is in memory of Dan Archer and at the time it was built (1996) Joe Grundy insisted that it shouldn't be just in memoriam of an Archer so there was a bench put there for "his Susan". However before the project was completed Martha died and so a flower bed and bit of garden was added. - Somewhere for mothers to sit while the children are on the swings.
Tayler"
The issue is surely what it is called. At the start it was the Memorial Playground and the name expressed its purpose. Adding a couple of flowerbeds doesn't change the name unless there was a re-naming ceremony (which we have never heard about). -
Message 14
Posted by DanskRose (U2257282) on Wednesday, 10th March 2010
Couldn't Alan just use garden as a shorthand rather than its official name, not being too aware of or bothered about its official designation? Son calls our local swings Goblin Park as he is sure there are goblins there. Half the suburb do now too but it does have an official name from the council which I forget.
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Message 15
Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Wednesday, 10th March 2010
"Couldn't Alan just use garden as a shorthand rather than its official name, not being too aware of or bothered about its official designation?"
Exactly.
There is a roundabout in Hemel Hempstead (a large beast surrounded by six mini roundabouts) which is always referred to as the Magic Roundabout (there's a similar version in Swindon; quite scary when you meet one for the first time).
Its official name is "The Plough Roundabout", as there was once a pub called The Plough there. However, no-one refers to it as such. -
Message 16
Posted by Lemon Sabotage (U9577550) on Wednesday, 10th March 2010
Where is Loot when you need him? -
Message 17
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 10th March 2010
Couldn't Alan just use garden as a shorthand rather than its official name, not being too aware of or bothered about its official designation?
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That's all very well for Alan, whio may not have been in the parish in 1996, but what excuse is there for Elizabeth and Lynda, who also called it "the memorial Gardens"? I simply do not believe that Elizabeth didn't know it was a memorial to the grandfather she was so fond of, and Lynda is a stickler for not changing Traditions. -
Message 18
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Wednesday, 10th March 2010
Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:15 GMT, in reply to mike
A mother writes: the playground became first unsightly, when cracks in the tarmac around the swings and slides appeared, then unsafe as the troughs and ridges caused every Ambridge toddler to trip and graze their heads, knees and elbows. Owing to a lack of agreement amongst the local councils on financial responsibility for upkeep, the playground was finally declared unusable, the paddling pool filled with gravel and the machinery removed. It now most resembles a Zen garden in need of some Zen. -
Message 19
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 10th March 2010
petal jam, that makes sense of it all.
So what needs changing is only the map, where it is clearly marked as "playground". -
Message 20
Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Thursday, 11th March 2010
Why is Ms. Cresswell ignoring Notes and Queries - is the Host job description different now? Ìý
Apologies RosieT
Remiss of me not to repost my comment here re the gardens/playground.
The only indication of the size of the garden is that there was a flowerbed and bit of garden added after Martha Woodford died.
Tayler
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