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Ye Olde Pargetters in TA?

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  Posted by alanis (U2256129) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  I've been wondering about how much the Pargetters, pre-Nigel took part in The Archers - I've looked at the timeline etc, but can't really find much.
  
  If there's been a thread about it, I can't see it, maybe some kind soul could link to it.
  
  We know about Julia P's humble origins, but it occurred to me that I don't know anything about what papa Pargetter did, and grandpapa. Presumably in the early days of TA they were all living away there in LL - but for how long? And were previous generations ever mentioned on-air before Nigel got involved with Shula?

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  I don't remember any mention of Pargetters, or Lower Loxley for that matter, before Nigel appeared on the scene.

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  Posted by alanis (U2256129) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  Well, that's what occurred to me too, Reggie. It's been niggling at me for a while. But being a mere stripling, I have no memory of the early programmes, and though I heard it as a child, I never followed it consciously. I even used to switch off as soon as I heard the da dee da music (I know, I know - but we all have our shameful secrets, I suppose...) Amazing what you pick up despite your self, though, isn't it? Still, that's why I wondered if I'd missed out on a whole section of the story there - like the existence of Grace, and her death, which I learnt about in ML.
  
  
  So - did Lower Loxley just materialise from nowhere then? Wouldn't there have been some mention of the local aristocrat before Nigel?

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  Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  As this was my listening start period, I can confirm Nigel apeared fully formed in his gorilla suit
  
  Ambridge used to have its own aristos, so places like Lower Loxley didn't need to be mentioned

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  Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  Hi all
  
  Lower Loxley is a Grade II listed building and has been the residence of the Pargetter family for centuries. The Hall has Jacobean origins but the building has been added to over the centuries. Apparently there's a date of 1702 over the main door.
  
  Gerald Pargetter's portrait hangs in the drawing room at Lower Loxley Hall. Gerald died in 1988. His wife, Julia (or "mummy" as Nigel called her), had a quite different background, which she tried to conceal. She was born Joan, and was the daughter of a greengrocer. Joan became Julia and was an actress and dancer before she married Gerald (he wooed her by sending roses and a fox fur coat to the stage door!).
  
  Nigel has a sister called Camilla.
  
  Hope that fills in some of the details!
  Tayler

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  Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  PS - have asked the archivist if she can tell me when the Pargetters first featured in the programme.

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  Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  The Pargetters first featured in the show in 1983, when Nigel ventured out of Lower Loxley into Ambridge.
  Tayler

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  Posted by Nelson_G (U13801071) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  Mon, 01 Nov 2010 17:18 GMT, in reply to Tayler Cresswell - Host
  
  Hooray
  
  Hello Tayler, how's Ellen. Has Camilla ever spoken? I have a feeling that she may have embraced the dark side of the Force but I can't remember why. Just how special is Freddie and should we worry about him?
  
  cheers

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  Posted by alanis (U2256129) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  Thanks Tayler - I'm sort of glad, since it means that I was right to wonder about it: my early years of listening were passive rather than active, so I thought maybe I'd missed a whole section somewhere, but apparently not.
  
  Does anyone know if the Pargetters were silents before 1983, or did someone "discover" them?

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  Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  Unlike the Grundys, who existed collectively and, I think, individually as silents for some time before they became speaking characters, the Prgetters were unheard of until Nigel sprang fully formed from the head of his gorilla costume as a speaking character.

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  Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:39 GMT, in reply to Reggie Trentham in message 10
  
  I don't think Camilla has ever spoken, neither did her father. Julia was a legendary silent for many years. Camilla has a son - the dreaded Piers the wonderchild
  
  Joe was the first speaking Grundy, but his boys weren't heard from for some years after. From the Vintage tapes I have, I don't think they even had names for a long time

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  Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  I think I read, Norman Painting created the Grundy family in the late 70s, wnen he became Bruno Milna, to replace Walter Gabriel as the poor, bad farmers, as opposed to the go-ahead Archers??

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  Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Monday, 1st November 2010

  Camilla is married to another James, to add to James Bellamy, Jim lloyd, and Jamie Perks.

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  Posted by Barefoot - a Bit of a Handful (U14258080) on Tuesday, 9th November 2010

  I have a faint memory of Gerald Pargetter being the owner of one of the (then) new homes - Glebelands? - where Jean Harvey lives.
  
  He was hen transmogrified into the owner of the local stately home.
  
  Perhaps my memory is wrong - where's Rosie when I need her
  
  bc

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  Posted by BG59 (U13873951) on Friday, 12th November 2010

  
  Does anyone know if the Pargetters were silents before 1983, or did someone "discover" them?
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  IIRC, Nigel was a 'silent' in the early-eighties, usually mentioned as a 'Hooray Henry' (popular term at the time) causing upper-class anti-social-behaviour in and around Nelson (Gabriel)'s wine bar in Borchester. Unless I'm mistaken, he first appeared in a speaking role at the opening of one episode on a foxhunt with Shula, where it became evident that they were 'an item' (as the term then wasn't), shortly after Shula had broken-off her first engagement to Mark Hebden (who, at about this time) took in Jacqui Woodstock as his cohabitee.
  But I might be wrong - it has been known.

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