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Leon, Helen and Annette
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Message 1.Â
Posted by Caro (U14909021) on Friday, 17th June 2011
Please, can anyone tell me the end of the tale?
I know that L. was 'seeing' (she writes euphemistically) both girls and Annette became pregnant. Annette leaves,pregnancy is terminated, and she's never to be heard of again.
Did H. ever know that L & A were an 'item'? Did she find out ever that L. was the father of the child?
And, what's really bugging me - what happened to Leon?
Thanks.
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Message 2
Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 17th June 2011
Helen never discovered that Leon and Annette had shared sex in her flat, nor that Leon had fathered Annette's aborted child.
Nobody knows what happened to Leon. He was simply written out, and has not been heard from since Annette's departure. -
Message 3
Posted by Caro (U14909021) on Friday, 17th June 2011
Helen never discovered that Leon and Annette had shared sex in her flat, nor that Leon had fathered Annette's aborted child.
Nobody knows what happened to Leon. He was simply written out, and has not been heard from since Annette's departure. No! So Leon, who was seen everywhere when the story was Hot News....in the street, in Am Organics, in bars other than that in which he worked.........just went without officially going, if you see what I mean?
Shoorly not! For an Ozzie to move on, specially after things got..errr...sticky?.....would be a matter, scriptwriting wise, of a few words, but to never be seen/mentioned again?
Now that would be sloppy scripting.
That can't be right (rolling eyes, not entirely in a TGIF fashion)
Thank you CG. -
Message 4
Posted by Nelson_G (U13801071) on Friday, 17th June 2011
Wasn't there some sort of bust up between Helen and Leon? Ian had met Leon with Helen in a bar and he was suspicious of Leon. Helen was having none of it and things became a bit frosty between them. Helen kept inviting Leon to meet the rellies but he kept dodging (fair enough you might think) and then Helen was out with people and met Leon with another girl?
Am I just making this up? I think there were other people there to witness the fun. That was the start, or perhaps the end, of Helen's descent into blitheringness.
Annette went off to her Gran's in Sheffield, never to be heard from again. -
Message 5
Posted by Sallyruth (U14589711) on Friday, 17th June 2011
Helen dumped Leon's mobile in a glas of wine, because she bustled up to a woman he was "canoodling" with and told her to stop kissing my boyfriend. Leon said plenty of me to go round sort of thing, and Helen demobilised him.
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Message 6
Posted by Caro (U14909021) on Friday, 17th June 2011
Thanks all. A friend vaguely remembers a mobile phone being dumped in a glass (full) in a bar or sommat during a showdown but doesn't ever remember Leon doing a flit from Felps/wherever.
Seemingly, nor do any of you.
So......................duh!...another loose thread (pity not a cannon to ricochet back sometime)
What a shame.
Speshlly cos The Majickal Babe may need a Godfather or two sometime. praps. Wot laughs (poor mite). -
Message 7
Posted by BG59 (U13873951) on Friday, 17th June 2011
> Annette went off to her Gran's in Sheffield, never to be heard from again. <
I was actually on Sheffield railway station when that episode was broadcast. I waited for some time, and Annette never showed up. -
Message 8
Posted by Caro (U14909021) on Friday, 17th June 2011
hmmm.........curiouser and curiouser....
to re-cap, M'Lud....
Leon didn't actually leave Am/Felp area at any point according to the listeners?
Annette didn't arrive (preggers still a this point?) at Sheffield, as verified by a listener?
hmmmm.....
dum-di-dum-di-dum-di-dum......
You know, this is more for FA than N&Q.
No change there, then. -
Message 9
Posted by BG59 (U13873951) on Friday, 17th June 2011
> Annette didn't arrive
(preggers still a this point?) at Sheffield, as verified by a listener? <
I'm fairly sure that Annette had been de-preggered at that stage of the proceedings.
OTOH, there is still the question concerning the need for Ian to re-paint the skirting-boards in The Nursery shortly after Helen had painted them. Some sort of cover-up?
Has anybody thought to check what's underneath the floorboards in that flat? -
Message 10
Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Friday, 17th June 2011
I remember Helen dunking Leon's phone in a drink.
Don't think we were ever told that Leon was leaving. But it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that in Borchester, and less so Felpersham, which is even larger, in to which Helen would rarely go (can't remember in which Leon lived and worked) they won't bump into each other again. I'm sure we've all been in relationships which have ended and then not seen that person, although we lived/worked in the same town/city.
Not quite sure what the point you're making, Archer_Roadie. I mean, obviously he was no longer of any use to that rubbish storyline, so was dropped from the story, as peripheral characters usually are in TA. But him continuing to live in the same town/city wouldn't cause me any bother.
And no, Helen never found out that Leon had dallied with Annette.
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Message 11
Posted by mike (U14258103) on Saturday, 18th June 2011
This SL reached a natural conclusion and is not a "loose end" in any way.
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Message 12
Posted by Garde_Champetre (U14354428) on Tuesday, 21st June 2011
Leon works in the new cocktail bar and drive-thru STI clinic on the far side of Felpersham.
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Message 13
Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Tuesday, 21st June 2011
Well, it reached a sort of conclusion by not going anywhere further, but that doesn't mean that there weren't loose ends. The last we heard of Leon, I think, was when he bumped into Annette on the street, and suggested further entertainment. She said no in no uncertain terms. Perhaps Leon being involved no further is understandable, but for Annette to totally disappear is a bit odd. If nothing else, you would think that Helen would have speculated occasionally about what she might be doing or where she is, or ... something. Did she really simply draw a line under the whole situation?
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Message 14
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Tuesday, 21st June 2011
I think Helen is quite self-centred. Other people might wonder about Annette and be concerned for she was a very fragile character. But not Helen. On the other hand Annette is likely be most happy not to hear from Helen .
After Annette left Helen concentrated on having her Own Babbie
JPBS -
Message 15
Posted by BG59 (U13873951) on Tuesday, 21st June 2011
I'm not an expert in such matters, but . . .
Given that the Annette storyline somehow involved a mutual recognition of a vague step-mother/step-daughter relationship between Helen and Annette . . .
Isn't it a bit odd that nobody seems to have thought to tell Annette that she has a step-half*-brother?
* other fractions are available -
Message 16
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Tuesday, 21st June 2011
I expect Annette and Helen exchange Christmas Cards - next year Helen's will be:
from Helen and Henry
and there will be a photo of the baby in the card ...
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Message 17
Posted by shulascat (U14737252) on Wednesday, 29th June 2011
I'm not an expert in such matters, but . . .
Given that the Annette storyline somehow involved a mutual recognition of a vague step-mother/step-daughter relationship between Helen and Annette . . .
Isn't it a bit odd that nobody seems to have thought to tell Annette that she has a step-half*-brother?
* other fractions are available Probably because Henry is not actually related to Annette - or is the mystery father Greg, having donated his sperm before shooting himself? I don't think Helen was ever married to him. -
Message 18
Posted by bobbyc (U14559432) on Wednesday, 29th June 2011
Greg and Helen weren't married but I always felt Helen relished the idea of Annette having a baby because it would be Greg's grandchild and in her mind a step grand child to her. Of course when that didn't materialise she had to go one better!!!
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Message 19
Posted by Buntysdaughter (U7084475) on Wednesday, 29th June 2011
Yes, and it is quite likely that Helen would have wanted to let Annette know, in spades, about the Magikal Babe that is Henry. But we have a new Helen now, so what she clearly would have done this time last year goes out the window.
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Message 20
Posted by mike (U14258103) on Thursday, 30th June 2011
There are a number of possibilities:
1. Helen has been in touch and given Annette news of her baby but we simply haven't heard in on the programme (why should we?)
2. Annette has by now moved on elsewhere and hasn't forwarded her new address to Helen (deliberately) because she is still deeply embarrassed by the Leon episode and wants to put that whole part of her life behind her. -
Message 21
Posted by Black-fevvered mourning Sparrer (U14335374) on Saturday, 2nd July 2011
mike: There are a number of possibilities:Â
3. Annette never made it out of Ambridge - Helen drowned her in the poo lagoon. -
Message 22
Posted by BG59 (U13873951) on Saturday, 2nd July 2011
> Annette never made it out of Ambridge <
I was on Sheffield railway station on the night in question; nobody answering Annette's description showed up. -
Message 23
Posted by Caro (U14909021) on Sunday, 3rd July 2011
> Annette never made it out of Ambridge <
I was on Sheffield railway station on the night in question; nobody answering Annette's description showed up. Right! Thanks all for your input.Curiouser and curiouser. Annette definitely didn't turn up at Sheffield railway station that night,but has anyone checked Nat.Xpress payloads,whatever they're called, for that date? Cheaper than train they iz...and anyway, praps she employed Subterfuge to get away from the Crazed One...any journey anywhere, coupla changes, quick disguise in the lavs, etc....could be done. Spect.
But I'm more concerned about Leon's total disappearance, given that everyone meets everyone in Felp, wherever.......and he a lad Far From Home, she a crazed lover spurned - who's to miss him?
And so, now that it's been suggested, I'm wondering about the freshly painted skirting boards too.........particularly that part near where the cot with the mobile that catches the sun would have stood...
(written with dodgy internet connection in H after lunchtime meds + a surfeit of novels by Peter James kindly(?) supplied by me mates)
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Message 24
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Sunday, 3rd July 2011
Er - I think what with getting Annette with child and annoying Helen, Leon might have thought it expedient to scarper back to Oz or wherever..
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Message 25
Posted by BG59 (U13873951) on Sunday, 3rd July 2011
> in H after lunchtime meds + a surfeit of
novels by Peter James kindly (?) supplied by me mates <
A_R; if you are in hospital and are reading the relatively recent Peter James novel that involves organ transplants, STOP READING IT RIGHT NOW. SERIOUSLY.
(And reconsider your choice of 'mates'; if you think the seabed scenes are disturbing, well, you ain't read nothing yet). -
Message 26
Posted by Janey_belle (U14942081) on Wednesday, 27th July 2011
As Annette is still a character on the list, is there a chance she may be returning?
Now that Rhys has moved into the flat, what is the possibility of Annette returning and running into Rhys expecting to see Helen? Just wondering..... -
Message 27
Posted by mike (U14258103) on Friday, 29th July 2011
Lucy is still on the cast list (with actor's name) but she hasn't been heard for 15 years (at least), so I wouldn't hold your breath ...
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Message 28
Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Monday, 1st August 2011
I don't think that Leon knew about Annette's pregnancy, and he didn't care that much about Helen. He could well still be in the area.
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