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Can you help please, Tayler?
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Message 1.Â
Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Saturday, 10th September 2011
Peggy said that Jack was now too ill for a care home. That implies that the Laurels is only care home and not a nursing home as well. If it's only a care home how on earth could it have been looking after someone so ill with Alzheimer's as Jack is and, indeed, was when he was admitted some years ago?
Incidentally the SWs might not recall that Prue Forrest, who had been paralysed by a stroke, was admitted to the Laurels as her husband was unable to lift and dress her. So they have facilties for stroke patients there. -
Message 2
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Saturday, 10th September 2011
I have some recollection of Soozan losing her job there after a change of management and some severe cutbacks; perhaps at that point they dropped all their "extended nursing care" options and just became a care home.
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Message 3
Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Saturday, 10th September 2011
That'd lose them a shedload of money Peet. Also, if that had been the case, they'd not have taken Jack in the first place. He needed and needs more nursing care than than a care home can give.
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Message 4
Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Saturday, 10th September 2011
Hi A Frend
I'll check with the team and get back to you on this as it's not something I can remember.
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Message 5
Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Sunday, 11th September 2011
Thanks, Tayler.
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Message 6
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Monday, 12th September 2011
Two possible reasons - Pru Forrest was a long time ago and a lot has happened in the care home/nursing home field since then. AS Peet says it may have decided at some stage to become one rather than the other.
DD does voluntary work in a care home that has an Alzheimer's wing. The Alzheimer's residents' problems are behavioural rather than medical, so as such it is classed as a care home rather than a nursing home.
Obviously with the elderly you can get dementia and medical problems coexisting, but it all depends on what the home is set up to cope with. -
Message 7
Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 12th September 2011
Thats' interesting ermintrude and were Jack not so far gone in Alzheimers he might be OK for being looked after by volunteers. But he's 92, and no longer recognises his wife. He was already wandering, leaving taps running and given to rages and occasionally violent when he was admitted to the home. Things will have worsended since then. The Laurels must be staffed for that degree of care.
The Laurels always took stroke patients but now doesn't.
I do hope that the SL isn't going to be that the Manager assesse Jack as too high maintenance and Ilona becomes his full time carer at the Lodge. That'd be ducking the issue that faces thousands of people - how to get proper care for their relatives when they can't just whistle up a spare mill from the bank. -
Message 8
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Monday, 12th September 2011
The Laurels must be staffed for that degree of care.Â
Agreed, but the staff will be trained (& the home equipped) for that, but maybe not for physical problems requiring nursing - commodes, hoists, pressure area care, possibly tube feeding and drips, etc etc.
It all depends on the particular home as to what they can cater for. -
Message 9
Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 12th September 2011
"Agreed, but the staff will be trained (& the home equipped) for that, but maybe not for physical problems requiring nursing - commodes, hoists, pressure area care, possibly tube feeding and drips, etc etc."
It was equipped to cope with Prue. She needed lifting and was in a wheelchair so they should be able to deal with Jack. Perhaps the SWs are toying with us and it'll all have blown over by tomorrow. -
Message 10
Posted by Mabel Bagshawe (U2222589) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
< It was equipped to cope with Prue. She needed lifting and was in a wheelchair so they should be able to deal with Jack. Perhaps the SWs are toying with us and it'll all have blown over by tomorrow. >
That was then - registration of care/residential homes has changed since the mid 1990s. The Laurels' statement of purpose may now not cover patients who require specialist nursing above a prticularl level, because that requires them to demonstrate they have the appropriate trained staff in place to manage more complex cases -
Message 11
Posted by Pan Mustardland is where the heart is Shoshana (U14836935) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Tayler, what can be done if a poster consistently and deliberately posts 'off message' or otherwise disrupts a thread - I'm finding that with a thread I started about memories of 10 years ago.
Several other posters as well as myself have asked politely and some obviously are feeling quite frustrated at another example of the usual style of posting of the individual.
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Message 12
Posted by Rural Rosie (U2796791) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
The Laurels was still a nursing home in 2002
Today for the first time I went on the time line because another thread in N & Q (about John Archer) had a link to it, and as I moved the pointer backwards what caught my eye was a flag for August 2002 saying: "Marjorie Antrobus moved to The Laurels nursing home".
I clicked on the flag for further information, but no more text came up even though the flag had a text symbol to indicate there should be text about this.
Given that Jack's Dementia had become advanced enough prior to his going to The Laurels that his behaviour could already be erratic and difficult to cope with, I had assumed he had gone to The Laurels because they could provide the appropriate specialised nursing care for dementia sufferers. -
Message 13
Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
"I had assumed he had gone to The Laurels because they could provide the appropriate specialised nursing care for dementia sufferers."
You and me both, RR, but if Ilona is to feature further in TA this will avail us nothing. However, I can't really believe that the SL will direct that the Laurels, which nurses advanced dementia cases in the very elderly, can't cope with a 92 year old who was up sitting in a chair 24 hours after a stroke.
What I do know is that 24 hour care can't be given by one care assistant living in no matter how fond of her Jack is.
I'm guessing that as Tayler hasn't come back with an answer to my query this is not important to the SL and that Jack'll be back at the Laurels the next time we hear of him. So all that weeping and wailing was filler and pretty unconvincing filler at that. -
Message 14
Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
I beg to disagree - it *is* a concern for many relatives that their spouse, parent etc may not be able to return to tha same home after a hospital spell for a new condition (and have to go through all the stress of finding one again).
Whether it has relevance for the Elona storyline I have no idea, but I agree that her living in is a non-starter. -
Message 15
Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
I'm guessing that as Tayler hasn't come back with an answer to my query this is not important to the SLÂ
Hi A Frend
The production team have been in all day script meetings Mon/Tues so away from their desks - I'm hoping to hear back from them later this week.
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Message 16
Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Thanks, Tayler.
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Message 17
Posted by Rural Rosie (U2796791) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Since posting yesterday I have realised something about the different types of care which could, in the long term, be a relief for Peggy and possibly, by extension, Tony.
If Jack was not getting nursing care as the current SL suggests, but now that he's been admitted to hospital, the hospital is saying he needs ongoing nursing care, this means that they, the NHS, have to fund the care. The non-nursing care is means tested and social services contribute according to means, but Jack would have been too wealthy and have to fund the full amount himself. If there has been a nursing assessment by the hospital which says Jack needs continuing nursing care, then he becomes the NHS's responsibility and they would have to fund the nursing care whether in hospital or in a nursing home.
So this would save Peggy further expenses.
If The Laurels does both "social" and nursing care (since we know it was a nursing home when other Ambridgites went there) he might even be able to return there.
But of course I do agree it is stressful looking for a home and would be stressful again searching for another. Even if The Laurels does both kinds of care, I think they would be only registered for a certain number people needing nursing care according to how many trained nurses are on duty, so Jack wouldn't necessarily be able to return there.
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