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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Monday, 12th September 2011
You never "grip with your heels", ever. The leg hangs down straight - it's old-school (like 30 or 40 years old) to be even taught to grip with your knees.
If you gripped with your heels, apart from confusing the poor horse, you'd be sticking your toes out, which you NEVER DO.
What if you were wearing spurs? (Which children may do, if they're competent)
Here's an illustration of correct leg position-
To a rider, this is as daft as a car driver hearing "Yes, Jenny was parking the car properly, with her elbows on the steering wheel".
(Originally wrongly posted in TVH - Chris Ghoti replied -
And how did Elizabeth observe this? People galloping are not very visible to people not on horseback -- they tend to be over the horizon fairly soon, not at a distance where nuances of their expressions are obvious. The only time I remeber Elizabeth ever riding was when she deliberately fell off at Cameron Fraser during her bid to take him away from Caroline all those years ago. Surely if she too had ridden Nigel might have mentioned it, once at least during the past twenty years or so? I don't even remember her going to watch him when he was eventing; she asked how it had gone afterwards, I think, about twice.)
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Posted by StillBorisBecka (U14076840) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
just to be clear oh ye non horsey folk
.... that picture wot was posted/ linked up may be the correct leg postion for dressage, ......
but "during a gallop" implies that the little chap was going lickerty-splick over the country side and no way would his legs be in that position.....
being an utter numpty, techno-wise ..i cannot post up any pics of flat jockeys, jump jockeys, point-to-pointers, eventers all of whom regularly gallop and all have different leg positions at the gallop
my guess is that lttlie Freddie is a bit of an ametuer and was gripping on for grim death with everyhting he'd got ...including heels.....sww
morning carrick....will put away my wooden spoon now!
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
If Nigel did the same at the gallop as an eleven-year-old in a bit of a panic -- Elizabeth said that Freddie looked just like him -- I am surprised at what an expert Nigel is now said to have been.
Anyhow, just to throw back in what I wrote when this was in "The Bull Upstairs" by accident:
How did Elizabeth observe this? People galloping past are not very visible to people not on horseback, nor for very long -- they tend to be over the horizon fairly soon, not at a distance where nuances of their expressions are obvious. The only time I remember Elizabeth *ever* riding was when she deliberately fell off at Cameron Fraser during her bid to take him away from Caroline all those years ago. Surely if she too had ridden Nigel might have mentioned it, once at least during the past twenty years or so? I don't even remember her going to watch him when he was eventing; she asked how it had gone afterwards, I think, about twice.
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Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Well chris how could Lizzie have seen Nigel galloping with a swiveling head and gripping heels? I thought she was years and years and years younger than Nige! I think it if Freddie gripped with his heels during gallop he would have been off in every sense of the word! But, maybe Lizzie is talking about his (Freddie) technique on the family rocking horse being the same as Nigels. Just a thought.
I am just glad the horses are back I was beginning to think Ambridge was the only horse free village in England and that Shula's stables were empty. I would say perhaps the s/ws should consult Katie Price but then Carrick would start sending me horrible links again. Do we think Freddie will hunt in pink? Plus Tayler is Oliver still the Master?
hi everyone else.xxxx
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Sunny, you can run (or gallop) but you can't hide...
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Re the above - oh lord.
Well I could sort of just about understand Freddie gripping with his heels being a novice and probably nervous, but to have this held up as an example of 'good horsemanship' as that is what dere Nigel did was most odd.
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Totally agree - in the OP "To a rider, this is as daft as a car driver hearing "Yes, Jenny was parking the car properly, with her elbows on the steering wheel".
I only post the Katie Price stuff to disturb poor Sunny. Mwah ha ha...
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Eh Carrick, he might have been doing this:
Not that I've ever tried it, but I have got a shirt like that.
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girls who don't grow out of being obsessed with pink by the time they are 18 are generally idiots
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Do we think that horse looks like an eighteen-year-old?
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Posted by Once-a-Ginge (U1486077) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Poor horse. No animal deserves that much pink.
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Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Poor horse. No animal deserves that much pink.Ìý
I agree with you there tabby plus when the rider is all in pink as well!! I like pink well enough it is just when everything is PINK! lilac is almost as bad! I can't see Freddy as the guy in that picture, plus the rider's head isn't swiveling. You can get everything in pink now, trugs, brushes, brushing boots, bandages, wheelbarrows, body protectors, hat silks........................... carrick please don't torment me with lilac next.
I like the horses back so perhaps we should just ignore the errors. george smiley.
But if Debbie gallops Tolly up Lakey Hill with Alice I will have to protest.
My gran said Tolly must be older than Bartleby. Chris is this true? But I would like to know who Freddy is going to hunt on does he have a horse? Is he going to have borrow one of Shula's? questions, questions.
happy dayxxxxx
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Posted by Once-a-Ginge (U1486077) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
My experience of riding school horses is that they are chosen for a placid temperament and reluctance to move faster than a walk. Not ideal characteristics for a hunter.
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I hate to do this to you but....
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aha! Jordan/Katie Price is definitely an idiot
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
sakas, your faith in me is touching, but I can't say that I paid *all* that much attention to a horse who got mentioned about twice a year!
Debbie has certainly been riding Tolly since April 1997, and I don't think he was new then: she wasn't mentioned as riding her new horse, just her horse. How old he was when she got him I also don't know; I am unsure we were ever told. He was fully trained, so not very young. So I'd say he is at least seventeen, possibly quite a bit older.
Bartleby's first appearance for which I can find definite evidence was when he needed to be found somewhere other than Grange Farm to live, in August 2002, but he was quite elderly then. I'm not sure there wasn't even some talk of his being put down if he couldn't be found a home.
Which is actually the older I wouldn't like to hazard a guess, therefore.
It's certainly a bit worrying that Debbie comes home to gallop Tolly about the place, but he is never otherwise mentioned as being exercised at all, and we don't even know where he is kept.
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Posted by Once-a-Ginge (U1486077) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Aaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!
You didn't hate doing that at all.
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Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Aaaaaaaaaaargh!!!!!
You didn't hate doing that at all.Ìý
agree with you again tabbyxx
well if she rides in those heels she will be gripping with Freddy alright. Plus that beautiful grey in the picture with her doesn't look too happy, perhaps he is looking at those pink heels! But he looks a bit wild eyed! At least no one (Carrick) has found any lilac ensembles to taunt us with.
Chris I do have faith in you. With good reason.
Where is Tayler btw? We need an answer to carrick's ?xxxx
xxxx
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Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
The leg hangs down straight - it's old-school (like 30 or 40 years old) to be even taught to grip with your knees.Ìý
That's about when I last rode a horse, so what do you grip with? I find it difficult to imagine that legs just hang down straight in anything other than walking. Don't you rise with a trot any more either?
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Posted by Looby-Lewis (U11820972) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
sakas, your faith in me is touching, but I can't say that I paid *all* that much attention to a horse who got mentioned about twice a year!
Debbie has certainly been riding Tolly since April 1997, and I don't think he was new then: she wasn't mentioned as riding her new horse, just her horse. How old he was when she got him I also don't know; I am unsure we were ever told. He was fully trained, so not very young. So I'd say he is at least seventeen, possibly quite a bit older.
Bartleby's first appearance for which I can find definite evidence was when he needed to be found somewhere other than Grange Farm to live, in August 2002, but he was quite elderly then. I'm not sure there wasn't even some talk of his being put down if he couldn't be found a home.
Which is actually the older I wouldn't like to hazard a guess, therefore.
It's certainly a bit worrying that Debbie comes home to gallop Tolly about the place, but he is never otherwise mentioned as being exercised at all, and we don't even know where he is kept.Ìý
17 isn't all that old these days if the horse is looked after and fit & well. My favourite riding school horse is 20 and quite capable of cantering up the hills (and does so on a regular basis).
Will be interested to hear what Tayler comes back with regarding the grippy heels though. Could it be that the s/w (who is it btw?) intended that Freddie exagerated dropping his heels by way of extra security?
Must admit I wasn't listening properly.
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Sunny - specially for you -
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Posted by Leaping Badger (U3587940) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Ugh, Carrick and Jose, those links are vile. They have reminded me of the even more vile
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Young Badger, you are depraved
"The wonderful new toys for girls which delightfully combine bestiality with high fashion", indeed.
You deserve this. You have been a bad Badger. Come with me to Candy Mountain.
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Leapers, that is how to waste a seriously long time reading the comments and praising the Lord fasting that these Things were not popular. I am unsure whether to say "thank you" or not.
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
Don't Encourage Him, Chris. Please. I'll have nightmares tonight.
Actually, there would probably have been a Goth one called Night Mare, if the darn things had carried on.
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Posted by Once-a-Ginge (U1486077) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
The leg hangs down straight - it's old-school (like 30 or 40 years old) to be even taught to grip with your knees.Ìý
That's about when I last rode a horse, so what do you grip with? I find it difficult to imagine that legs just hang down straight in anything other than walking. Don't you rise with a trot any more either? Ìý
You don't grip with anything!!! It's all down to balance and "seat" these days. And yes, you do still rise to the trot, unless you are riding Western Style with even straighter legs and a deep comfortable saddle which holds you in place. I like Western riding.
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Posted by Perkin Warbeck is not a cannibal (U14797366) on Tuesday, 13th September 2011
That poor, poor horse
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glory be you have made me laugh! Where on earth do you FIND these clips and images???? Oh that pink hell - glorious!!!
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Posted by StillBorisBecka (U14076840) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Eh Carrick, he might have been doing this:
Not that I've ever tried it, but I have got a shirt like that.Ìý
Now that is Truly "gripping with your heels"
gotta try it........not
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
You never "grip with your heels", ever. The leg hangs down straight - it's old-school (like 30 or 40 years old) to be even taught to grip with your knees.
If you gripped with your heels, apart from confusing the poor horse, you'd be sticking your toes out, which you NEVER DO.
What if you were wearing spurs? (Which children may do, if they're competent)
Here's an illustration of correct leg position-
To a rider, this is as daft as a car driver hearing "Yes, Jenny was parking the car properly, with her elbows on the steering wheel".
(Originally wrongly posted in TVH - Chris Ghoti replied -
And how did Elizabeth observe this? People galloping are not very visible to people not on horseback -- they tend to be over the horizon fairly soon, not at a distance where nuances of their expressions are obvious. The only time I remeber Elizabeth ever riding was when she deliberately fell off at Cameron Fraser during her bid to take him away from Caroline all those years ago. Surely if she too had ridden Nigel might have mentioned it, once at least during the past twenty years or so? I don't even remember her going to watch him when he was eventing; she asked how it had gone afterwards, I think, about twice.) Ìý
Hi carrick
I'll ask the team about this - when I listened to the epi I assumed Elizabeth meant when Freddie was geeing the horse on (so I guess not technically "gripping" with his heels!)
Will post back when I hear something
Tayler
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Wednesday, 14th September 2011
Thanks, Tayler.
It'll be interesting.
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Posted by HappyLammy (U13708489) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
I've just picked up on this thread through DtA. Some great comments and I've ridden a horse whose age was unknown but must have been almost 20 and was perfectly capable of cantering uphill - he had a mind of his own and if he took against his rider would head off into trees to dump them.
Rising trot - during some lessons as an adult (in my 40's) we had to do it without stirrups - extremely good exercise for the thighs so there were many ribald remarks from the males in the group! There is a phrase I could use but someone might mod me - but it's a utensil you use to crack things open......
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
Yep - a friends French dressage teacher was talking about using your seat to keep a canter going rhythmically, and said, causing her suppressed giggling "You 'ave to make love to zee saddle".
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Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
Yep - a friends French dressage teacher was talking about using your seat to keep a canter going rhythmically, and said, causing her suppressed giggling "You 'ave to make love to zee saddle". Ìý
Wrongx and too much information !
my hack of Archer listeners love this thread I showed it to them and the other thread about heel gripping, they particularly liked the Thelwell picture. pass on the pink ones. Tayler they would all like an answer to the gripping ? of Freddie's heels but also would like to pass on how happy that horses have been allowed to ride again in Ambridge. So please thank the s/ws for that.
xxxxxx
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Thursday, 15th September 2011
Tayler they would all like an answer to the gripping ? of Freddie's heelsÌý
I's a gripping situation, isn't it, Sunny?
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Tayler they would all like an answer to the gripping ? of Freddie's heels but also would like to pass on how happy that horses have been allowed to ride again in Ambridge. So please thank the s/ws for that.Ìý
Hi sunny - good to see you back on the board : )
I'll pass on your thanks to the scripties. I've had a response to the question - Freddie is a confident rider. Elizabeth was describing him geeing the horse on rather than holding on for dear life!
Tayler
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Posted by Once-a-Ginge (U1486077) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Tayler they would all like an answer to the gripping ? of Freddie's heels but also would like to pass on how happy that horses have been allowed to ride again in Ambridge. So please thank the s/ws for that.Ìý
Hi sunny - good to see you back on the board : )
I'll pass on your thanks to the scripties. I've had a response to the question - Freddie is a confident rider. Elizabeth was describing him geeing the horse on rather than holding on for dear life!
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So why did they say "gripping?" "Squeezing" is correct. "Nudging" will do. "Kicking" is acceptable. It's a quick repeated movement, not a "grip" which lasts far longer.
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Thank you for getting a response, Tayler.
However, I agree totally with Tabby. Absolutely no-one says "Gripping with their heels" when they are talking about giving the horse some leg. "Kicking on", perhaps.
Whatever Elizabeth, who may know nothing, might say, the character of Shula, a riding teacher, wouldn't docilely agree, as if what Elizabeth said was incontrovertible.
I did wonder, over the last couple of days, whether the SWs would try to "blind us with science" instead of just putting their hands up - they have. Pity.
(Also, to be pedantic "Gee up" is actually a verbal command to a horse or pony being driven, not ridden, unless,of course, you're riding a carthorse.)
Tayler, I make a bet - if you can find anyone reputable, for example your daughters riding teacher, who has ever used the term "Gripping with their heels" to mean encouraging the horse to go faster, I will give a donation to the Brook charity with assists the welfare of horses, mules and donkeys overseas.
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< Tayler, I make a bet - if you can find anyone reputable, for example your daughters riding teacher, who has ever used the term "Gripping with their heels" to mean encouraging the horse to go faster, I will give a donation to the Brook charity with assists the welfare of horses, mules and donkeys overseas >
Me too, Carrick.
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Posted by Perkin Warbeck is not a cannibal (U14797366) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Liz used a wrong word - Shula did not want to be pedantic about it as Liz was discussing something that, to her, had deep emotional resonance. After all, the real subject of her monologue was Freddie and how he reminded her of pancake-nigel, not horse business.
Plus, the script writers can't be expected to know everything about everything, otherwise TA would be a lot duller.
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Posted by Once-a-Ginge (U1486077) on Friday, 16th September 2011
< Tayler, I make a bet - if you can find anyone reputable, for example your daughters riding teacher, who has ever used the term "Gripping with their heels" to mean encouraging the horse to go faster, I will give a donation to the Brook charity with assists the welfare of horses, mules and donkeys overseas >
Me too, Carrick.Ìý
And me.
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Plus, the script writers can't be expected to know everything about everything, otherwise TA would be a lot duller.
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Absolutely, but if they find they've made an error, what stops them recognising that?
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Perkin, I don't know what your trade is, but if someone were written as being an expert in that trade and then made a crass mistake about that trade, would it really not irritate you a little?
The scriptwriters are having their words broadcast to maor than five million people, and there are likely to be a few among that number who *do* know things about their own trades. It is therefore important to accept that you either ask someone in that trade, or you put your hands up and say "sorry" if you make some basic error or other, like saying slaked lime instead of unslaked lime, say.
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Posted by Perkin Warbeck is not a cannibal (U14797366) on Friday, 16th September 2011
So, no one convinced by my 'Liz doesn't know much about horses' argument, then......
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Friday, 16th September 2011
PW (I still want to call you MMP - brilliant name), what Chris posted mirrored, uncannily, what I wanted to say to you, so I will.
Give an area in which you're pretty confident that you have a good, more than basic, knowledge, please.
(I don't want to catch you out, that's not my purpose, and the "area" can be as serious or frivolus, as big or small, as you like, as long as I can find out enough about it to say something that I know is wrong. It could be, for example, "Bias-cutting in the 1930s" or "medieval art in Germany" or "Ways of making scones" - it's up to you.
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Elizabeth is supposed to have lived for the past sixteen years with a seriously horse-infatuated husband, and for the past however-many-it-may-be-decided-they-have-been-devoted-to-their-ponies years with two seriously horsey children (even though neither of these factoids was ever mentioned); she ought during that time to have been talked at by one or all three of these about Things Horsey.
I find this either a massive reinforcement of my theory that Elizabeth never thinks of anyone except Elizabeth, or indication that a mistake has been made in her being ignorant of matters to do with horses.
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Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Friday, 16th September 2011
But 17 is a very conservative estimate for a horse being ridden ov er 14 years ago - if he were three he would only be being broken in. It also means that he was a relatively young horse, pretty much in his prime when Alice was making the transisition to horses and it is odd that she didn't ride him or that if he wasn't good enough for her that he wasn't loaned . It is rather unfair to a horse in its' prime not to be used, I think Adam and Lilian ride him sometimes but not at the level that woudl keep him fit enough to gallop up Lakey Hill when Debbie or KAte come home...
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Posted by Perkin Warbeck is not a cannibal (U14797366) on Friday, 16th September 2011
PW (I still want to call you MMP - brilliant name), what Chris posted mirrored, uncannily, what I wanted to say to you, so I will.
Give an area in which you're pretty confident that you have a good, more than basic, knowledge, please.
(I don't want to catch you out, that's not my purpose, and the "area" can be as serious or frivolus, as big or small, as you like, as long as I can find out enough about it to say something that I know is wrong. It could be, for example, "Bias-cutting in the 1930s" or "medieval art in Germany" or "Ways of making scones" - it's up to you. Ìý
ok, so I concede they got it wrong and it's a bit annoying to people who know something about horses.
Can we talk about cake now? I have a carrot cake that's just ready to come out of the oven!
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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Fair enough - I'm on a quest to find the perfect carrot cake. Talk cake to me.
(My OH has just taken out some lovely rye bread with honey. I'm on my second buttered slice. In a Hunter Trial tomorrow and I need to keep up my energy levels. Does that sound plausible? I do hope so.)
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Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Friday, 16th September 2011
Rye bread is low GI I think so plaus away...
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