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Taylor - 11 and hunting on a leading rein?

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  Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Tuesday, 20th September 2011

  Going to practice being on the leading rein with Auntie Shula, at 11?
  
  He would die of shame, if any of his pony club mates saw him. Honest.
  
  That was my reaction, when Looby-Lewis posted about in in the Equestrian thread, before I'd even heard the episode, then I LAd, and simultaneously looked in DTA to find that Ginslinger Redux had started a thread titled "Eleven and on a lead rein hunting!!!! Surely he will die of shame... "
  
  
  
  Seriously, please ask Graham Harvey (who I would have thought might have known better, or known to find out, rather than to, rather disastrously, make things up) to read the DTA thread. There's some useful advice that MAY enable "The Team" to salvage things before the meet itself.
  
  What was the idea behind "practising on the leading rein"?
  I'm not showing off, but I, like many other posters here, and like Freddie and Lily are now meant to be, was "brought up with ponies", and at 11, I'd not only taught someone the basics of riding, but could lead another pony from mine, if it needed to be moved and I had to do it on my own.
  
  If Freddie's "competent" (your words) enough to gallop, what on earth is he doing on a leading rein, out hunting, and why (and what) is the practising with Shula?
  
  (PS, we're still waiting for your response to our "wager" in #38 of the "Gripping with his heels" thread in N+Qs
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  Posted by Looby-Lewis (U11820972) on Tuesday, 20th September 2011

  I'd love to know who it is who is going to run round with Freddie over the field. A bettter athelete than me and I run with novices in the school.

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  Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Tuesday, 20th September 2011

  I've just LAd to the Lizzie and Jill scene (Yes, I preobably am a masochist) and they were planning that Shula was going to lead Freddie over jumps in the school.
  
  Words fail me. Lizard said "Freddie's like a demon when he gets in the saddle". Yes, fair enough, nothing wrong with that, but WHY does he have to be on the leading rein?
  
  I suppose, if you wanted to be clever, you might jump on the lunge, for a change, so you could just concentrate on your seat, (I mean, we used to jump grids with our arms folded , in the school, when we were that age, but that was before anybody worried about Health and Safety) but NOBODY would prepare an 11 year old for hunting by putting him over jumps on a leading rein.
  
  You just wouldn't. No-one would. Nobody. Not ever.

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  Posted by peter-francis (U14241999) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Sheer unbelievable nonsense. Why don't they ask for some advice from people who really do know what they are talking about. They do it for other storylines. Or does GH seriously believe he knows about riding?
  
  Cubbing is not the same as hunting. Ime it is a less hectic affair, cos there are young hounds and young horses and young riders all over the place (which actually makes it more hectic in some ways! I mean less galloping for long periods, jumping big fences or ditches or whatever. At this time of year, we used to meet at 5.30 or 6 and it was all over by elevenses). Very little jumping (which is almost always voluntary in the hunting field anyway) and only a little galloping (cos everyone and their horses are unfit!).
  
  If Fred is such a demon that he gallops around all over the place, he surely will know a bit about popping over the odd jump. Anyhow, galloping on the flat is, imo, much more dangerous and more difficult to do correctly and not fall off, than jumping. Maybe they are just trying to cure him of this strange habit of gripping with his heels.
  
  All I can say is, if I had been riding for as long as F has and somebody wanted to take me cubbing on a leading rein, I would have died of embarassment......several times over. Street cred at Pony Club (with all those girls) ruined for ever.
  
  Nonsense.
  
  P

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  Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Hello, P-F - yes, I agree with everything you say (as usual!).
  
  I do wonder if Graham Harvey, and the SW responsible for the "gripping with the heels at the gallop whilst looking over ones left shoulder" line actually realise what galloping entails? Feels like flying - there's a moment when all hooves are off the ground.
  
  When I was Freddies age, I was always falling off (you do if you're young and jump stuff and aren't control-freak supervised all the time, as poor Freddie seems to be) but I never fell off at a full gallop, thank goodness. (and touch wood) (Lots of dramatic falls, but, at almost 40 mph, you really don't want to fall - ask jockeys - they fall at a gallop and might race again the same day, that's tough for you.)

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  Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Oh, P-F, I forgot to say, perhaps we should wait until Freddie goes to the grand "autumn hunting" meet - wonder if it'll be written as a grand occasion when everyone congregates formally before setting off, dramatically?

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  Posted by peter-francis (U14241999) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Anything [apart of course from verisimilitude] appears possible, carrick!
  
  In my own foetid imagination I have a vague feeling that the leading rein is more about Shula's control-freakery. The gripping with the heels sounds more like something out of Lizzie and Nigel's late lamented, um, private life!
  
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  Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  See #41 in this thread!
  
  
  
  I don't think that your imagination is unusually foetid (or only in the nicest possible way, perhaps!)

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  Posted by peter-francis (U14241999) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  So, foetid maybe, but not even original! Sigh.
  
  I do think that Shula would have all her men on leading reins if she could. Especially that husband of hers whose name I always forget and who has no character nor, in my imagination (again!) no face....or at least just a pixillated blob!.
  
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  ; - )

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  Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Oh, P-F, I forgot to say, perhaps we should wait until Freddie goes to the grand "autumn hunting" meet - wonder if it'll be written as a grand occasion when everyone congregates formally before setting off, dramatically?   Autumn hunting meet?????????????
  I have obviously missed another strange horse related episode.
  I agree Freddie would be giving lessons by now xxxx

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  Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Autumn hunting meet????????????? 
  Yes, in the battle between reality and "What someone who doesn't know very much thinks would make a good scene", I wonder who'll be the winner.
  We wait with baited breath...
  
  Sunny, cross-threading, have a look at the photos in 1446-
  
  
  We did galloping and all!(but not "gripping with heels"!)
  
  C-B x

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  Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Going to practice being on the leading rein with Auntie Shula, at 11?
  
  He would die of shame, if any of his pony club mates saw him. Honest. 
  
  This absolute tosh about Freddie is the biggest load of utter tripe & codswallop since ... well, for at least a few days, possibly even since the bizarre notion of gripping with heels and looking in the opposite direction whilst galloping.
  
  Do the scriptwriters know the faintest thing about horses, riding & hunting? Have any of them ever been to a Riding School or Pony Club? Can they really be that ignorant? Who was the Scriptie this week - has he/she ever seen an 11/12 year old child at a cross-country course, let alone an autumn or winter hunt, being trailed around on a *lead* *rein*? Let alone being led over jumps by his Auntie?
  
  FGS what a load of utter **s! What the hell's Shula supposed to do, clamber on top of the hedge and stand there dragging Freddie & Fanny (or whatever the hell his pony is called) up the bank?
  
  I've spent two weekends this month jump-judging at Hunter Trials & events, and have another day of it to come - as I do every year. The under-12s classes are always fiercely competitive, even if some of the little darlings pay more attention to making sure their outfits and tack complement each other than to their - or their pony's - fitness. Go round on a lead rein? Come off it.
  
  The idea that Freddie would submit to this mortifying torture is absolutely ludicrous and does not just stretch the bounds of credibility, it splits them asunder. Good grief, the lad's just been at Pony Club camp!! What the hell do these idiots at The Mailbox think goes on there - that the 10,11 and 12 year old children sit around in their nappies while the ponies are allowed to safely graze?
  
  This SL really is tripe. Utter ill-informed pants.

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  Posted by StillBorisBecka (U14076840) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  oh my giddy aunt
  ...i might have to take up listening to the programe at this rate
  
  i'll tell you what..
  i'lloffer my services as Equestrian script writer
  i have absolutely no background bias since i know none of the characters
  BUT....... no 11yr old lad who is a "competant rider" and "gallops allover the place" would go hunting or even practice on a lead rein.....
  the only lead-reiners in a hunting field would probably be being led off grown ups horses
  
  scripties... a word to the wise .
  .why don't you get yourselves organised and blag yourselves a jolly litlle freebie/all expenses paid trip to one of Gloucestershires many extremely capable training yards/riding establishments.. ...there you will learn all about Equestian life and can incorporate your newly found knowledge into your scripts and us Equinettes can stop tearing our manes out at your idiotic pronouncements

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  Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Or even, SWs, do what I remember Keri doing, a few years back; when he needed to write about something equestrian, he knew enough to know that he *didn't* know enough, if I express myself clearly, and communicated with some of the posters off-board, and things were resolved seamlessly and unembarrassingly.
  
  This is beyond surreal - I wonder if the current crop of SWs would perpetrate something similar about, say, fashion or interior decoration?

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  Posted by sunnysakasredux (U14979019) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  Great picture of the jumping over the trakehner carrickx glad to see you were looking ahead and not gripping with your heels! George Smileyxx
  medical bands are a pain (sorry about the pun!) Gem by name, gem by looks, Gem by nature.
  Plus it beats all those pink and lilac pictures!
  I agree with everyone's comments. Perhaps one of the lovely Royals would like to give some horsey advice to the s/ws. Or better still Shula should just say to Lizzie: shut up Lizzie you know nothing of what you speak. Pray stop bending my ear with your dumb chatter etc...
  I just like the fact the horses are back. But if they carry on insulting us in this sad way I might change my mind.
  Spencer rides btw he wears jodpurs not breeches and has lessons with Shula!
  DId you know there Pony Club Camps for adults? Or is that just a Sussex thing? Perhaps Lizzie should go.
  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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  Posted by halftidy (U8567554) on Wednesday, 21st September 2011

  can I add my 2 pennyworth? A while back Keri kindly emailed me to check something equine - so it can be done. What a load of tosh this is. I have posted on the 'shame' thread. If the SWs are going to have a thread that involves technical knowledge then for heaven's sake (and I got blocked for what I really wanted to say!!!!) get it right. There are enough of us about to check the facts. You dont turn off a load of listeners by getting it all so utterly utterly wrong.
  
  Next thing you know we will be harvesting in January, the potatoes will have foot and mouth, and they will be milking the Herefords!
  
  I thought that when it was established that Nigel would have had to fall off the empire state building for his scream to have lasted as long as it did, that technical details would be more closely scrutinised - fat chance.
  
  PS when do we get a response re the gripping with heels b*s???
  
  
  

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