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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Saturday, 31st December 2011
Does the accounts and the book-keeping for the village Shoppe?
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Message 2
Posted by mike (U14258103) on Saturday, 31st December 2011
Wasm't Richard Twaite on the orginal committee because he was an accountant? It could be him. (I don't think we have actually been told on air who does this.)
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Message 3
Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Saturday, 31st December 2011
Could be TVOA who is also an accountant iirc.
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Message 4
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Saturday, 31st December 2011
Thanks.
Yes, Bunter could be the accountant, but who is bookeeping? Who is responsible for paying Peggy her pepperorn, and banking the takings and writing the cheques to the cash and carry?
Who collects thre stock from the cash and carry, come to that? -
Message 5
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 31st December 2011
The Doctor?
But there is a committee to run things and allocate tasks. -
Message 6
Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Saturday, 31st December 2011
I can't remember what the exact legal set up of the village shop is, not sure if we've ever been told, but they'll have on the board of directors/committee or whatever someone who is appointed as treasurer or equivalent who will be resposible for bookkeeping, either personally or by delegation, income and expenditure. She/he will have charge of the cheque book and his/her signature will probably be required most likely along with one other designated committee/board member on any cheques.
As far as other tasks are concerned they are presumably allocated amongst the volunteers along the same lines as shop keeping duties.
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Message 7
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 31st December 2011
Cheques? What a quaint idea. But I think even Ambridge now uses online payments.
It is likely that the main bookkeeping facility is linked in with the advanced till.
Or perhaps the PO Software covers other products. -
Message 8
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Saturday, 31st December 2011
Thanks, Reggie.
I was thinking that Bossy Old Pat set the thing up and ran it with very little consultation, and wanted Susan to be left out as much as possible, but they do pay her for 2 days a week or something, don't they? And she seems to think she's the Manager!
So I wondered if she paid the cheques into the Shoppe Accountee, and did the books ready for Richard (who ever suggested him, yes, very likely, he is some kind of maths whizz!!) but she never moans about it, so maybe not.
Anyway, Pat, having started the apparently defunct idea of TEAS, which replace good neighbourliness and giving lifts old people without cars, with calculatingly eye-for-an-eye ruthlessness: and having begun the allegedly beneficial village shoppe, now ignores both projects and they seem to be rotting. -
Message 9
Posted by Seveek (U13636812) on Sunday, 1st January 2012
‘Who is responsible for paying Peggy her pepperorn, and banking the takings and writing the cheques to the cash and carry?’
I think Peggy gets a commercial or near commercial rent as the whole point was that it was not previously giving a proper return on investment and so had to close. -
Message 10
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Sunday, 1st January 2012
And I remember Pat saying that she was grateful Peggy was letting them have the shop at a peppercorn rent, which was utterly bonkers, since she is a partner of a multi-millionaire anyway
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Message 11
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Sunday, 1st January 2012
The point of a "peppercorn rent" is that it confers certain legal obligations upon the tenant that just "letting them use the place" doesn't.
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Message 12
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
It was the bonkers for the gratitude, actually.
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Message 13
Posted by Seveek (U13636812) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
‘And I remember Pat saying that she was grateful Peggy was letting them have the shop at a peppercorn rent’
I’m not saying that she did not Dinah but if she did then it defeated the whole object.
As I recall it, Peggy found that her finances were not going well and Brian got Bryce look at the accounts to maximise the return on investment and he advised her to divest herself of the shop.
How it helped her to bolster her finances by letting it at a token rent is a mystery.
I am unable to accept that Peggy was subsidising the shop because it ran at a loss. -
Message 14
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
In reply to Seveek:
‘And I remember Pat saying that she was grateful Peggy was letting them have the shop at a peppercorn rent’
I’m not saying that she did not Dinah but if she did then it defeated the whole object.
As I recall it, Peggy found that her finances were not going well and Brian got Bryce look at the accounts to maximise the return on investment and he advised her to divest herself of the shop.
How it helped her to bolster her finances by letting it at a token rent is a mystery.
I am unable to accept that Peggy was subsidising the shop because it ran at a loss.Ìý
Seveek there is no point in seeking strict commercial logic in TA because there is none.
But the sensible interpretation of the shop story is that it indeed WAS running at a loss, so that merely getting no income is a significant improvement for Peggoi. -
Message 15
Posted by Tayler Cresswell (U14232848) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
Hi all
Susan looks after the books for the shop. This is from the website -
When the shop was threatened by closure when Peggy Woolley could no longer deal with the combination of small profits and big worries, the village rallied round. In 2010 it was re-launched as a community-run enterprise.
The shop is staffed by volunteers and the manager Susan Carter is now part-time. She deals with stock control and bookkeeping, and runs the post office in the afternoons.Ìý
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Message 16
Posted by Seveek (U13636812) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
‘Peggy Woolley could no longer deal with the combination of small profits and big worries, the village rallied round.’
As ever, having to ignore extraneous intervention, that is my point to Dinah, Tayler. It was making small profits and is now giving a token rent so no logical person could detect a benefit to Peggy which Bryce advised was needed.
Peggy never said it was a big worry; Bryce said it was not giving a return on investment so nothing has actually changed. -
Message 17
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
Indeed if that was the case, it is now worse!
But as I said earlier
"Seveek there is no point in seeking strict commercial logic in TA because there is none."
Incidentally I do hope it is OK for me to post here. -
Message 18
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
Peggy's finances being low was an even more bonkers story than Pat being grateful to Peggy for the peppercorn rent.
Jack sold the hotel and the golf course for seven or eight million. He also sold the newspaper, the caff and some shares. Peggy sold the Bull for half a million or so. They have the rent from the Grundy cottage, the money from the other cottage they sold to Kathy, the rent from the flat above the shop.
Plus their pensions.
To pretend that this woman was down to Pound Shop biscuits and an Armami Home Perm bi-annually, is simply absurd.
They have millions. -
Message 19
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
Thank you.
But have we heard this on the radio, or are listeners obliged to have the Internet to get this information? -
Message 20
Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
Don't see what the problem is about Peggy getting rid of the shop. As you point out both she and Jack had been shedding their business interests so why should she want to hang on to something that wasn't making a return and being a worry and a distraction at the same time?
Why, as a rich person in her own right and married to an even richer man shouldn't she, as a very long term resident of the village want to do the village a favour, especially when the prime mover behind the project was her d-i-l? She hasn't suffered in any way, quite the opposite, and Ambridge has benefitted. Every one's a winner.. -
Message 21
Posted by Seveek (U13636812) on Monday, 2nd January 2012
It was absurd when it all started in 2010. My message 56 on this thread says the same thing:
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Message 22
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 3rd January 2012
In reply to Seveek:
It was absurd when it all started in 2010. My message 56 on this thread says the same thing:
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You were right then.
Impressive.
I have trouble remembering what I posted earlier today. -
Message 23
Posted by Tayler Cresswell (U14232848) on Thursday, 5th January 2012
Hi all
Just a quick update:
The shop committee is as follows:
Pat: Chair
Kathy: Secretary
Usha: Legal advisor
Richard: Treasurer
Oliver: Business advisor
Brain: Business advisor
Lynda: Fundraiser and P.C. representative
Susan: Retail expert (of course!)
Team leaders: Jill, Christine, Oliver, Jim, Sabrina, Shula and Neville.
And whilst the main driver for getting rid of the business for Peggy was so she and Jack would have less to worry about, she decided to give the shop over to the community (rather than sell the place) for altruistic reasons.
Tayler -
Message 24
Posted by Reggie Trentham (U2746099) on Thursday, 5th January 2012
Brain: Business advisorÌý
Can you tell us which character's brain that is, Tayler, or is it the new Ambridge supercomputer - the sucessor to Deep Thought? -
Message 25
Posted by Seveek (U13636812) on Thursday, 5th January 2012
Chris G is needed.
Perhaps my mind is addled with the elixir of life, namely IPA, but I am sure that Peggy was worried about money; Brian got Bryce to have a look at her accounts and he told her she should get a better return for the shop investment.
I do not recall that it was initially motivated by Peggy worrying specifically about the shop, rather her general finances. -
Message 26
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Friday, 6th January 2012
Nothing wrong with Peggy either getting rid of the shop, or, doing as Jack had for years, keeping it on as a philanthropic gesture to the villagers.
What is absurd, is people being grovellingly "grateful" to the awful woman for only charging a pepercorn rent. -
Message 27
Posted by Spartacus (U38364) on Friday, 6th January 2012
I believe the gratitude that was expressed was for not just turning the shop into flats, which was the plan that her financial advisers were suggesting. They were grateful that the shop remained in the village; the "peppercorn rent" is a red herring.
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Message 28
Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Friday, 6th January 2012
I don't remember any grovelling gratitude to Peggy for not doing the flats.
I DO remember the gush over her not charging a commercial rent. -
Message 29
Posted by Tayler Cresswell (U14232848) on Friday, 6th January 2012
Brain: Business advisorÌý
Can you tell us which character's brain that is, Tayler, or is it the new Ambridge supercomputer - the sucessor to Deep Thought?Ìý
That would be Brian's brain!
Although I like the idea! ; )
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Message 30
Posted by dickie (U2267358) on Friday, 6th January 2012
"Why, as a rich person in her own right"
She was never rich. She merely sold her only asset for a fair price. -
Message 31
Posted by Nelson_G (U13801071) on Friday, 6th January 2012
That's my recollection also. I've had a quick listen again, 07/10/09. Bryce had come in to advice Peggy. He told her that the shop made a regular loss and suggested that she convert it into a flat to generate extra income.
Pat convinced Peggy to let her organise a Community Shop, but I don't recall any talk of a peppercorn rent. I've always assumed she charged a reasonable rent since the Community Shop idea was instead of Peggy converting the shop into a flat. -
Message 32
Posted by Threeblack drapedwellsofmyown (U5254306) on Saturday, 7th January 2012
ummm
Is Harry not residing and paying rent in the flat?
The rent goes to Peggy who charges a peppercorn rent to ye Olde Shoppe... -
Message 33
Posted by Tayler Cresswell (U14232848) on Saturday, 7th January 2012
Hi Threewells
It's Rhys now living in the flat - and paying rent to Peggy : )
Tayler -
Message 34
Posted by Threeblack drapedwellsofmyown (U5254306) on Saturday, 7th January 2012
Thanks Tayler
Got me barmen mixed up.....
Must be too much Shires!
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