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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 5th April 2012
There is no sign of it at all on any of the available maps of Ambridge, and none of the horse owners in Ambridge (Christine, Lilian, Shula, Debbie, Alice) has ever mentioned how convenient it is to have a forge in the vlllage, so I assume it can't be there. Which village is it in?
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Friday, 6th April 2012
Hi Chris
I'm not sure if its location has been pinpointed on air, but I'll see what I can find out
Tayler
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Friday, 6th April 2012
Isn't it on conclusion?
There is no sign of it at all on any of the available maps of Ambridge, and none of the horse owners in Ambridge (Christine, Lilian, Shula, Debbie, Alice) has ever mentioned how convenient it is to have a forge in the vlllage, so I assume it can't be there. Which village is it in?Â
Given that JD casually dropped in (almost catching the Cartridges In flagrante delicto) it cannot be far from Home Farm. Also, if I recall correctly, a young Chris Carter used to hang around the place and so became interested in becoming a farrier.
It must be within Ambridge- within walking distance of BF and wherever it was was Chris lived in five or six years ago - so it will be interesting to find out exactly where (it has been hiding).
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Tuesday, 10th April 2012
Hi all
As I suspected, it's not been specified where the forge is located - of course it's possible that we may find out in the future!
Tayler
It must be a new building, I think, since it isn't on any of the maps of any age that I can find, and a forge/smithy would be an important part of a village before horses ceased to be used.
Either that or it is in another village.
It must be a new building, I think, since it isn't on any of the maps of any age that I can find, and a forge/smithy would be an important part of a village before horses ceased to be used.
Either that or it is in another village.Â
Another village, I should think, since I found this in Jennifer Aldridge's "An English Village through the Ages"
"The blacksmith's pride was maintained by the Ambridge Smiths, John and Nelson Gabriel. Over the door of their smithy ( /the/ /site/ /is/ /now/ /occupied/ /by/ /the/ /garage/ ) was the motto: 'By hand and hammer, all arts do stand.'
...
The Ambridge blacksmith was also the village farrier. "
There is a phot of the village blacksmith outside the place as well.
Thank you! That is pretty definitive.
This is not the Ambridge Village Forge, then.
Not that we know where the grarage is/was, of course, because it isn't on ay of the maps, but if that was the forge and is now the garage...
And we know the garage still exists as "the garage" even if it no longer sells petrol or mends cars, because "the garage" is where the school bus stops.
I think the garage has been mentioned as about half a mile away on the Waterley Cross Road.
But the Waterley Cross road would be the B3991 south out of Ambridge, and to get to it from a school in Borchester the bus would have to go right through Ambridge, which would be ridiculous! They *can't* have really meant that, can they? I am sure that the school bus stops outside the garage; Pip was going to be collected from it once and complained bitterly because David wasn't fetching her from Borchester.
In fact the idea of the bus sailing through Ambridge (which it would have to do to get to a place half-a-mile out of Ambridge on the road south) rather than stopping at The Green is absurd.
Wibble!
(I am not doubting you, I am just wondering whether they thought at all before they said the school bus and the garage rather than the Green.)
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Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Wednesday, 11th April 2012
The Loxley Barratt School Bus went from the Green, because David started driving the kids instead of walking them to the bus, when Ruth took over milking from Sam.
Annette had to walk the half mile to miss the bus to the job centre, yes, Pip missed the school bus, when she first went to college, and had to get the public bus that stopped at the garage, and wined at David about the walk, so he went and picked her up.
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 11th April 2012
It is completely stone daft for any bus from or to a town to the north of the village to stop half-a-mile south of Ambridge on a road that can only be accessed by going through Ambridge, and not stop in the village itself! I don't think this has been thought through by the bus company. (For which read the editorial team.)
As for David taking the children by car to the village green, good grief. It would take longer for him to find his car keys and round the children up and get them into the car than to walk the 330 or so yards from Brookfield Farm to the duckpond.
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Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Wednesday, 11th April 2012
Then I must be wrong.
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 11th April 2012
I think it more likely that you remember correctly but the distance from Brookfield to the Green was not remembered by whoever wrote the script, or s/he thought that half a mile out of the village was too far for David to walk.
That the editorrial team have the bus stop being at the garage and the garage being half a mile outside the village, and thus have the bus stopping nowhere nearer to the place where it would get its custom, is not something that *you* are wrong about!
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 14th April 2012
Given that JD casually dropped in (almost catching the Cartridges In flagrante delicto) it cannot be far from Home Farm.Â
JD would casually drop into Ultima Thule*** to snoop on Alice and Chris.
Does she have Mrs Robinson fantasies?
*** NORTH of the by-pass.
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Posted by FleetingEileenM (U14106338) on Saturday, 14th April 2012
The blacksmith's pride was maintained by the Ambridge Smiths, John and Nelson Gabriel.Â
Would they be father and uncle of Walter?
I'm slightly surprised that their motto didn't go for the obvious rhyme.
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Posted by rick_yard_withdrawn (U14573092) on Saturday, 14th April 2012
Thank you! That is pretty definitive.
This is not the Ambridge Village Forge, then.
Not that we know where the grarage is/was, of course, because it isn't on ay of the maps, but if that was the forge and is now the garage...
And we know the garage still exists as "the garage" even if it no longer sells petrol or mends cars, because "the garage" is where the school bus stops.Â
Paul Johnson was involved in running the garage before he disappeared to Germany - and Peter Stevens (Tom Forrest's foster son) worked there. He was played by Paul Henry, aka Benny on Crossroads. I have a idea Pat's uncle Haydn was also involved in some way?
Met its demise in the late 70s iirc
Haydn Evans bought the garage from Ralph Bellamy in 1974 and ran it until 1981, when he sold it and went back to Wales. But I am sure he sold it as a going concern, though I cannot remember to whom.
Anyhow, that isn't particularly relevant: "the garage" is where the bus stops and where David was going to be expected to go to fetch Pip when she missed the school bus; therefore it is not "the forge", or that would be what where the bus stops would be called.
It may have been the forge back in 1905 or whenever the Gabriels were smiths there, but it had ceased to be one by the time that Paul Johnson was running a garage there in the 1960s, which garage was taken over by Ralph Bellamy in 1969. The forge at which Christopher went and gawped at the horses being shod when Our Christopher was a lad cannot have been that one or on that site, since it had been a garage since before Christopher was born in 1988.
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Posted by rick_yard_withdrawn (U14573092) on Sunday, 15th April 2012
Haydn Evans bought the garage from Ralph Bellamy in 1974 and ran it until 1981, when he sold it and went back to Wales. But I am sure he sold it as a going concern, though I cannot remember to whom.
Anyhow, that isn't particularly relevant: "the garage" is where the bus stops and where David was going to be expected to go to fetch Pip when she missed the school bus; therefore it is not "the forge", or that would be what where the bus stops would be called.
It may have been the forge back in 1905 or whenever the Gabriels were smiths there, but it had ceased to be one by the time that Paul Johnson was running a garage there in the 1960s, which garage was taken over by Ralph Bellamy in 1969. The forge at which Christopher went and gawped at the horses being shod when Our Christopher was a lad cannot have been that one or on that site, since it had been a garage since before Christopher was born in 1988.Â
Did we ever hear anything of Uncle Haydn after that - e.g. whether he was alive or dead? Or of long-lost Gwyn and Angela in Canada, come-to-that....?
I don't think so. Pat might have mentioned his death in passing if she ever said anything at all about her family ever, but she never has. That's if he's dead yet: he retired in 1981, so if he did that at 65 he would now be 96.
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Posted by FleetingEileenM (U14106338) on Sunday, 15th April 2012
The blacksmith's pride was maintained by the Ambridge Smiths, John and Nelson Gabriel.
Would they be father and uncle of Walter?Â
Going back to the Gabriels, was Walter ever a blacksmith or farrier? I can only remember him as an old codger of the Dan and Doris vintage with a fondness for a Mrs P (possibly Peggy's mum?) and constant argie-bargie with another of his generation whose name I've forgotten.
Walter argle-bargled with everyone, usually over Mrs P.
He had a farm which he rented from Squire Lawson-Hope when we first met him, I seem to remember, rather than being anything to do with a forge. He was a bad farmer, and I don't think he was sorry to give it up in 1957.
I don't remember him ever saying anything about having been a farrier or a blacksmith, I think the Gabriels who did that were at least a generation before him. He was born in 1896 on the revised calendar, and it might have been a grandfather and an uncle who were the John and Nelson in question.
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Posted by rick_yard_withdrawn (U14573092) on Sunday, 15th April 2012
Walter argle-bargled with everyone, usually over Mrs P.
He had a farm which he rented from Squire Lawson-Hope when we first met him, I seem to remember, rather than being anything to do with a forge. He was a bad farmer, and I don't think he was sorry to give it up in 1957.
I don't remember him ever saying anything about having been a farrier or a blacksmith, I think the Gabriels who did that were at least a generation before him. He was born in 1896 on the revised calendar, and it might have been a grandfather and an uncle who were the John and Nelson in question.Â
A grandfather of Walter was the blacksmith I think - he was reared by his granny as we know.....
I was fairly sure that at some point it was said that Nelson was named after an uncle -- possibly one who had died in The Great War. I would have though that such an uncle might have been a bit old for service by that point but maybe not, if he had been Walter's father's much-younger brother.
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Posted by FleetingEileenM (U14106338) on Monday, 16th April 2012
Thank you Chris 'n' Rick.
" He was born in 1896 on the revised calendar,"
I like it Chris.
Almost as if the Ambridge calendar had to be changed after a big conference or suchlike.
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Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 18th April 2012
I think (but cannot prove) that at one point there was a swift round-up in which a few ages were brought into line with current thinking.
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Posted by FleetingEileenM (U14106338) on Saturday, 21st April 2012
A grandfather of Walter was the blacksmith I think - he was reared by his granny as we know.....Â
Well, some of us know he was reared by his granny but I don't. Any more info as to why?
Please, yes! I know he frequently quoted his grandmother, but not that she had brought him up.
Wlater was said to be one of several brothers from a large family, and old man Gabriel, his grandfather, had sixteen children and forty-eight grandchildren -- I rather wonder why nobody apart from Walter and Nelson of the name Gabriel was ever mentioned, but I suppose that by 1953 thay had all left the village, and none ever came back even on a day-trip.
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 21st April 2012
I rather wonder why nobody apart from Walter and Nelson of the name Gabriel was ever mentionedÂ
Massive death toll of the Borsetshire Fusiliers on the Somme?
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Posted by barwick_green (U2668006) on Saturday, 21st April 2012
< retired in 1981, so if he did that at 65 he would now be 96. >
A mere spring chicken by Ambridge standards then given that Mr Pullen has been a stalwart of the Over-60s club since the early 1970s; he now be 102 if he was 60 in 1970.
Shulargh mentions from time to time that Daniel is visiting Reg and Bunty Hebden and that pair must have a combined age of not far off 200/
Shulargh mentions from time to time that Daniel is visiting Reg and Bunty HebdenÂ
Perhaps he's visiting them in the cemetery?
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 22nd April 2012
Mr Pullen is a mere 98.
They no longer mock him for his incontinence since I complained about it.
The mocking; not the peeing.
Bunty is 90 Reg ageless.
< Bunty is 90 Reg ageless. >
Any actuaries out there who can calculate the chances of a married couple both surviving into their tenth decade?
My back of a beer mat calculation is that if there is 1 in 10 chance of reaching 90 would it be 100 to 1 (10x 10 )?
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 22nd April 2012
My back of a beer mat calculation is that if there is 1 in 10 chance of reaching 90 would it be 100 to 1 (10x 10 )?Â
False logic. It is not random. Many of the class, diet, environment, lifestyle factors behind longevity would be shared by a married couple.
Well, I'm glad Bunty is going strong.
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