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Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Saturday, 2nd June 2012
There IS no "pad"; it's called a frog. (Not just by me - by everyone, for ever)
A thread in DTA refers - "I thought they were shoeing a dog".
Then the errors increase -Alice said "Maybe take less sole off next time you trim".
The sole is never "trimmed" by the farrier - you couldn't "trim" the sole even if you were deranged - it's the hoof wall you trim.
The sole is sort of recessed, and is very vulnerable to injury, whereas the hoof wall is like nails or hair, it can be trimmed without causing pain or injury.
(Another "Gripping with the heels whilst galloping" incident - if the SW is going to go to the trouble of adding detail, is it too much to ask that Nawal Gadalla actually research it, rather than making it up?)
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Hear hear. Especially this
Another "Gripping with the heels whilst galloping" incident - if the SW is going to go to the trouble of adding detail, is it too much to ask that Nawal Gadalla actually research it, rather than making it up?)Â
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Joining you C.B. not just because you asked for support but because like you i am incensed by this lack of research as well . If the scriptie does not have the knowledge then they should ask someone who does. this is the part of the board where we should get answers but i am sure we won't, poor tayler just gets fobbed of usually.
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Ooh, I just found my way over here to ask about this, and there's already a thread!
It was certainly very jarring. I'm not exactly what you'd call a 'horsey' person, but even *I* know they don't have pads. I think it must be a case of dumbing down though, rather than lack of research; even something as basic as wiki names the parts of a horse's hoof correctly, so you'd be hard pushed to get it so obviously wrong without actually trying.
After all, if we assume the SW knew nothing about horses and just made it up as she went along, she'd have been unlikely to guess there was a soft part under the hoof, would she? So she must have done some checking.
No, I reckon it must be simplification for townies like me, who might be frightened away by too much scary rural-speak. Good-oh! Looking forward to David and Ruth discussing the sheep's fur, and Pat filling the veg boxes with 'pointy orange rooty things'.
PS, Admittedly though, that doesn't explain the sole trimming, which is definitely a bit deranged - and extremely painfull sounding.
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No, I reckon it must be simplification for townies like me, who might be frightened away by too much scary rural-speak. Good-oh! Â
Ooh, Tabashri, do you feel patronised? Do you?
Two small points - townies ride as well; the Queen is, technically, a bit of a townie, and I wouldn't like to try to get of past her that a horses hoof features a "pad" or that a farrier might trim the sole of a horses hoof. (That would be the equivalent of saying to a manicurist "Maybe take less of the quick of the nail off next time you do her nails".
Secondly, again, another technical point, I personally think it's worse than "dumbing down" - I think it's, either deliberately, or out of not being very good/being rather lazy about research, giving the wrong information - more like (to adapt your wonderful sentence), "David and Ruth discussing the sheep's scales, and Pat filling the veg boxes with 'pointy orange poddy things'."
I know that no-one can get everything right all the time, but the SWs seem to make errors about horses with gay abandon: there are some of us who notice this and it does make one wonder how many other details, which one takes on trust, are actually implausible.
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Posted by Sixties Relic SAVE ML (U13777237) on Sunday, 3rd June 2012
"I know that no-one can get everything right all the time, but the SWs seem to make errors about horses with gay abandon."
And about life, the universe, and everything.
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Is it because, to some people, horses and horsey people are 'posh' and therefore either not worth bothering about or easy targets?
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An interesting theory, Bollnix - perhaps it would go in parallel with the possible idea that sexism towards men is "either not worth bothering about or easy targets?"
BTW, this lot rather knock totally wrong class stereotypes on the head, I think -
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It could well indeed.
Ah the Banwen. Quite. But it doesn't fit the lazy stereotyping so its best ignored. Not that I'm suggesting the SWs should incorporate the Banwen Miners' Hunt into a story line or anything!
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townies ride as wellÂ
Sorry to have to disagree carrick, but the SWs have researched this too: We townies are all called Tracey or Kevin, have at least one car jacked up on bricks outside our five-bedroom council houses, and can't tell a horse's bite end from its shyte end.*
(There are also townies who work in The Meejah of course, but they don't appear in radio soaps).
do you feel patronised? Do you?Â
Nah silly, I'm far too dim to know when I'm being patronised.
(Also, judging by my last post, far too dim to spell 'painful'. Sigh.)
* Unless, of course, it's one of these little beauties:
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They have been featured on here before - I think it was Leaping Badger who was responsible, when I started the "Place your bets - What sort of pony .will Freddie get bought?" thread.
I think they're wonderful.
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They are, indeed, divine.
I believe there are still a few to be had on Amazon, though it may be necessary to haunt ebay as well, if one aspires to the complete set.
I'm saving up my pennies...
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Strange as it might seem, I have a mare who isn't a million miles from that, spiritually, when she's in season.
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They have already had David nd Ruth referring to "the black nd White cows" instead of the Friesans.
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Sunday, 3rd June 2012
Hi carrick
I'll pass on your comments about this.
Tayler
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Thanks, Tayler.
I'm aware that, because a lot of the audience just have to trust the SW about this (like I do for many subjects) they wouldn't know that it's on a par with assuming/hoping that the audience know little enough about cooking to be able to get away with this dialogue.
Clarrie - "I'm makin' scrambled eggs for Georgies tea - he likes it the way I cook it".
Susan - "How do you get it so nice?"
Clarrie - "The secret is, when you've boiled the eggs, to put a bit of full-cream milk in,with the salt and pepper, when you mash them up".
If you hadn't ever had much to do with scrambled eggs, it would sound quite credible, but, on the other hand, if the SW hadn't either, and wasn't really sure of their facts, they could either find out from someone who knew, or just write
Clarrie - "I'm makin' scrambled eggs for Georgies tea - he likes it the way I cook it".
Susan - "You do them so nice."
Clarrie - "Oh, thank you, Soosan - cup of tea?"
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 4th June 2012
c-b when was that gem? Must LA.
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Tayler, thinking about this whilst picking out my own horses hooves, I thought "If the production team have make the decision to feature a farrier, and to take the option to lace scripts with technical details about his trade, it's rather kamikaze to them get those details so very, very wrong".
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Carrick Bend........Yes, horses have frogs, but they can also have pads fitted by the farrier or sometimes the vet. I've cared for a few horses who have had pads fitted. Perhaps thats what they meant.
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Do the words "It's ok, Spearmint, he's just sealing the pad" perhaps suggest something being put onto the hoof to prevent "thrush sprouting up where I can't reach it with the hoof-pick"?
It would sound a possible explanation if that were thee case.
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Found it!
Thanks, littleoscar - googled "fitting pad horse hoof", as pads aren't something I know much about (One thing I haven't needed to learn, thank goodness!) and found this site -
"When Your Horse Has a Sore Hoof"
It's an American site, but note the first and last paragraphs of this text.
"You may want to ask your farrier to remove less of the sole when he trims your horse. The result won't be as 'pretty,' but the callus left there "will leave him something to walk on," says Goff.
Wide-webbed shoes that cover more of your horse's feet are the next line of defense. If your horse's feet still appear sensitive you might outfit him with pads that cover the sole and protect him from the elements. In winter, when the ground can freeze into crippling spikes and craters where horses have walked pads can be very helpful - especially if they're the kind that also help keep snowballs from forming.
There are dozens of designs of hoof pads on the market, from basic leather, to various plastics, to amazing high-tech shock-absorbing pads that, while cleverly designed, are expensive and may provide so much flex that they cause shoes to pop off prematurely. Goff has had his best results with ordinary plastic pads that are affordable and easy to shape. A squirt of silicon packing underneath the pad helps 'seal' the area between the foot and pad and prevent thrush from sprouting in the damp places you can no longer reach with your hoof pick."
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Do you get the feeling that this site was the source of the bits in the script? I do!
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 6th June 2012
c-b - I see that site also mentions the impossible "remove less sole".
Will you be withdrawing this thread?
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That explains why it seemed so forced - it's an American-style remedy to help with sensitive hooves "In winter, when the ground can freeze into crippling spikes and craters where horses have walked pads can be very helpful - especially if they're the kind that also help keep snowballs from forming".
No wonder we struggled to work out what was going on in the Midlands in Summer!
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Posted by Lady Macbeϯh - not without mustard (U550479) on Wednesday, 6th June 2012
"the black nd White cows" instead of the Friesans.Â
Not all black and white cows are Frisians. Even more reason to use the correct breed name, I'd have thought.
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OI, you should know that just because something is on the internet, or in print, doesn't mean that it's indubitably correct. My farriers have never trimmed my horses soles - they exfoliate naturally.
May I refer you to this?
I quote from the link - "So should we just leave horse soles alone and let them callus and build at will? Usually yes, it’s just that simple- leave the darn sole alone.".
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 6th June 2012
May I refer you to this?
I quote from the link - "So should we just leave horse soles alone and let them callus and build at will? Usually yes, it’s just that simple- leave the darn sole alone.".Â
you should know that just because something is on the internet, or in print, doesn't mean that it's indubitably correctÂ
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Gosh, it's like being in a court of law!
The fact is that the sole part of the hoof is sensitive and is protected by the frog and the thin, outside 'nail' if you will. This thin outside nail is the bit the metal shoes are attached to, to increase the protection when the horse is in work and not just mooching around on grass.
In all my years hanging around horses, the only time I've seen a farrier or vet touch the sole of a horse is when there is an infection and a build up of pus which as to be relieved.
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Thank you, expert witness for the defence!
Yes, I agree absolutely, Bollynix - I refer the jury back to the OP, "The sole is never "trimmed" by the farrier - you couldn't "trim" the sole even if you were deranged - it's the hoof wall you trim.
The sole is sort of recessed, and is very vulnerable to injury, whereas the hoof wall is like nails or hair, it can be trimmed without causing pain or injury".
(Personally, I think it both significant and rather amusing that the website which Nawal Gadalla used almost verbatim is both American, refers specifically to weather conditions which people in England, certainly, rarely experience let alone ride in, and seems to be guilty (the legal puns just keep coming) of an error, or solecism.) (Solecism - boom boom!)
I am reminded of the "Freddies rising trot" scene, where the SW seems to have googled "trot" and decided that rising trot must be something a little advanced, which an 11-year-old would proudly show off to his Mother, rather than being your basic trot, which most small children pick up after a couple of hours riding.
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I had the great pleasure of owning a Gelderlander - fabulous horse, but very upright boxy feet. Because of the amount of work he had to do, shoes were required. However, being shod didn't real allow his feet to expand. The sole and frog contracted back, and he became 'footie' (the frog of a horses foot acts as a shock absorber, and should ideally be in contact with the ground. remove this shock absobtion and it can have a detrimental effect on the mechanics of the lower leg and connective soft tissue.) Anyway.... It was decided to fit him with pads made of dental imprint putty (available from all good dentists) and lo and behold one super sound horse. The only downside being the obviously become prone to thrush as you can only clean and 'air' the foot every six weeks or so. He now goes unshod in front for arena work (i.e. soft surface) and if he works on hard ground he wears boots (kind of equine hiking boots). As a consequence his feet have expanded, his shock absorbers are able to work properly and he's v.happy. Phew!
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Oh, well done for sorting him out! Googled gelderlanders - they look really strong and well-put-together, beautiful.
Yes, your story tells the reality of pads - you don't just stick them on because your horse has a one-off bruised sole!
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My pleasure CB. I love me 'orses, and it does make me grind my teeth when the SWs make wild stabs in the dark about equine related things. Gripping with your heels................honestly!
As for pads, perhaps the SWs ought to stick to straight forward farriery to avoid confusing the general non horsey public.
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....and irritating the horsey ones!
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I will never be able to forget the "Gripping with his heels during a gallop" comment.
I think we probably need to re-educate our attitude. It will be much easier if we just accept that, if there is a difference of opinion, the SWs are right and we are wrong.
Here is an example from the "Gripping with the heels" thread - #36,
"I''ve had a response to the question - Freddie is a confident rider. Elizabeth was describing him geeing the horse on rather than holding on for dear life!
Tayler".
Tennyson's "The charge of the Light Brigade" is probably something we should turn to for moral instruction -
'Forward, the Light Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldiers knew
  Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
  Rode the six hundred.
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Hi carrick
I'll pass on your comments about this.
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Dear Tatyler, when you passed on the comments, not just mine, on this thread, to the SW concerned, did you receive any (printable!) response, please?
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Thursday, 7th June 2012
Hi carrick
Yes - I've just heard back from the writer.
She said that the story was researched online and as far as the ‘pad’ is concerned, this is how the product is referred to on the web. And the post from littleoscar also bears out that it's a term that is in use.
As for Alice referring incorrectly to trimming the sole, she is not always going to get everything specifically/ or anatomically correct, even though she is married to a farrier.
Tayler
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No, no, no, Ms Tayler, Alice has lived in the country in a family with horses *all* *her* *life*; she will have been told that the bit in the middle of a horse's hoof is called a frog the first time she used a hoof-pick. She is not an ignorant townie who has married a farrier; she comes from a family with horses. This confusion about what is a horse's sole is as basic as saying the shoulder when you mean the withers.
Alice has been caused to say something that nobody in England who had grown up with horses around her would say.
I'm sorry, but it really is so.
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Thanks for being so conscientious, Tayler, much appreciated.
She said that the story was researched online and as far as the ‘pad’ is concernedÂ
Yes, that's very much what we thought.
#Perhaps you might ask her if she'd like to look at posts 21 et seq.?
She did try, which is a good thing.
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Thursday, 7th June 2012
I have passed on the comments, carrick - including yours verbatim.
Tayler
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Thursday, 7th June 2012
As for Alice referring incorrectly to trimming the sole, she is not always going to get everything specifically/ or anatomically correct, even though she is married to a farrier.Â
Talking of which, is it true that they are going to give each other a little heart brand on the buttock?
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Cheers, Tayler.
How's your daughter's riding lessons coming along? Is she wonderfully and scarily intrepid? (Or sensitive and careful...they're both good.)
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Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Thursday, 7th June 2012
No, no, no, Ms Tayler, Alice has lived in the country in a family with horses *all* *her* *life*; she will have been told that the bit in the middle of a horse's hoof is called a frog the first time she used a hoof-pick. She is not an ignorant townie who has married a farrier; she comes from a family with horses. This confusion about what is a horse's sole is as basic as saying the shoulder when you mean the withers.Â
Which warrants a shouldering response.
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Friday, 8th June 2012
Cheers, Tayler.
How's your daughter's riding lessons coming along? Is she wonderfully and scarily intrepid? (Or sensitive and careful...they're both good.) Â
Hi carrick
She's up to level 3 - CB3 (not sure if they use the same levels everywhere) - and enjoying every minute. I still wince every time the horse she's riding looks like it's going to bolt or buck, but she manages to stay on! I think she's both intrepid and careful depending on the mood/horse/day...
Tayler
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I think that a lot of places define their own tests/levels (the Pony Club use letters) but "I think she's both intrepid and careful depending on the mood/horse/day..." sounds as if she's doing the right thing!
C-B
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Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Friday, 8th June 2012
I think that a lot of places define their own tests/levels (the Pony Club use letters)Â
Yes, I found that confusing when we looked at other riding schools!
T
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It sounds as if she's doing well, and good for her.
I wonder whether she would say that someone ought to trim a horse's sole....
I have memories of my eight-year-old self determinedly learning exactly which bit of a horse was which so I could annoy elder brother with the knowlege. Did the same with ships: exactly what number of what sort of sails dressed what sort of ship or boat. He learnt all the county cricket players' names similarly, mostly I swear it to annoy me. We both learnt about armour.
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Yes, I knew the points of the horse when I was 8 in much more detail than I do now, and there was a time when I could tell a horses age from its teeth in proper detail!
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