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Jamie's AS levels
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Friday, 14th September 2012
Tayler, on 16th August or whenever it was that we heard Jamie giving out two different versions of his AS results, I assumed that we would find out which was the correct version at some point. As far as I know, we haven't. I suppose it is more likely that he told Kathy the truth, but I would have liked to be certain about that.
Could you investigate?
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Message 2
Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Friday, 14th September 2012
Hi Dragonfly
Kathy got the right information about Jamie's results. I have fed back that there was some confusion from listeners over this.
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Message 3
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Friday, 14th September 2012
Thanks, Tayler. I was certainly confused! It might have helped if he'd had a subsequent scene where he admitted the lie to Rosa, or (frankly) if that distracting little episode hadn't happened at all.
I am also a bit surprised that the team thought he would be allowed back to college with those grades. I think many FE colleges have a threshold that has to be reached before a student is allowed to move onto A2 levels and I'm not sure Jamie reached it with CCDE.
Also, could you feed back that this listener, anyway, is keen to hear about Daniel's university applications? We haven't heard how he did in his AS levels yet.
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Message 4
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Friday, 14th September 2012
Thanks, Tayler. I was certainly confused! It might have helped if he'd had a subsequent scene where he admitted the lie to Rosa, or (frankly) if that distracting little episode hadn't happened at all.Ìý
All that was needed was for him to show his mother the results sheet. Then SHE could have read them out. -
Message 5
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Friday, 14th September 2012
CCDE not enough?
You do surprise me! Presumably he will give up the 'E' grade subject and carry on with the CCD ones ..
I was looking at "Forestry Management" Degree requirements and I see a student needs 240 points for one course.
What does 240 points mean in terms of Grades? Suppose Jamie gets CCD at AS - how many points would that be in total?
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Message 6
Posted by Black-fevvered mourning Sparrer (U14335374) on Friday, 14th September 2012
What does 240 points mean in terms of Grades?Ìý
Depends on the system in use, but gives the basics and fills in the rest.
Last year, according to Lowfield, he got "a B, 4 Cs and a some Ds". I have no idea how many exams are allowed to count towards a point total. -
Message 7
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Friday, 14th September 2012
At A level proper (A2)
A* 140
A 120
B 100
C 80
D 60
E 40
so his, IIRC CDDE if continued will get 240 exactly! -
Message 8
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
HedgeSparrow, last year's results are GCSEs and don't count towards a points total, but they would be looked at if he applied to university.
CCDE at AS - now I've had a quick look, it looks as if lots of schools and colleges require a minimum of 3 Ds at AS to proceed to A2. So Jamie scrapes in. But scrapes is the word, and frankly if he were mine I'd be advising him to do something else. -
Message 9
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
CCDE at AS - now I've had a quick look, it looks as if lots of schools and colleges require a minimum of 3 Ds at AS to proceed to A2. So Jamie scrapes in. But scrapes is the word, and frankly if he were mine I'd be advising him to do something else.Ìý
Even if - as seems to be likely with Jamie - the CCDE does not represent the best he might do with effort?
40 years ago CCD would get you into a pretty good university! -
Message 10
Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
Yes it would!
However I don't know anything about AS and A2 - are the AS results a reasonable predictor of the A2 results?
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Message 11
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
However I don't know anything about AS and A2 - are the AS results a reasonable predictor of the A2 results?Ìý
As AS are taken 1 year into a 2 year study for the devalued** A-level, I presume so.
** My Maths master friend rejoices in finding old O-level questions appearing in present day A-level exams! -
Message 12
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
are the AS results a reasonable predictor of the A2 results?Ìý
Yes and no. If a young person has worked hard and has had good teaching in the run up to AS levels, yes. If (as often happens) the young person has struggled with the transition from GCSE, has not done much work or has not learned how to work effectively, has made a poor subject choice, has had an appalling boyfriend who distracts them from their cow marketing plan etc etc, then they often get poor AS level results but make a big improvement in the following year - especially if they re-take some modules. -
Message 13
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
Also depends on the subject, - some are very different at As/A level from the work required for GCSE. One of offspring's AS subjects produced a group of Ds, which we were assured were no indication of final grade - teachers insisted that this was a 2 year course, not two 1 year courses. They were right, too - final grades were all As and Bs.
Slightly surprised re your suggestion about the grades required to proceed from As to A level. At 'our' school the requirement was evidence that two Es would be attainable. The headteacher's proudest handout was a scatter graph which showed that the kids who got Ds and Es were more likely to go on to achieve Bs and Cs than the B students were to get As. Jamie would have had a pep talk, not discouragement.
OI - CCD for for a reputable university? Wow! -
Message 14
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
Hi, PJ. I'm no expert on these matters but I believe that schools and colleges have much tighter criteria now for progression from year 12 to year 13, possibly at least partly because of funding criteria, and of course they have one eye on the league tables at all times.
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Message 15
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
Err.. by 'our' I meant the offspring's school, not the one I attended. I think the Head's big point was Added Value.
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Message 16
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
OI - CCD for for a reputable university? Wow!Ìý
Yes, but sitting today's exams the same pupils would have got As. Probably only a few percent of the cohort got BETTER than CCD.
When I was at Cambridge early 70s undergraduates with AAA or better would certainly have been in the minority. -
Message 17
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
OI I was applying to universities at the end of the 70s and I can tell you that no self-respecting establishment would offer a place for an English, History or Modern Languages for less than Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú - definitely needed an A for English at any redbrick or similar.
It was rumoured that you could get in with EE to do Engineering. -
Message 18
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
I had a matriculation offer for what is currently (arguably) the world's fourth best university. I had to get 2 Es. This was not because the Admissions Tutor thought 2 Es was what was needed for the course nor was it what I was predicted to get. I assume the idea was to attract capable candidates who were likely to get good A levels but, more importantly, who, in the Admissions Tutor's opinion, had had a good enough grounding to do well on the course even if something went wrong during the A level exams.
How I wish I had made that my first choice! I would have had a much more enjoyable time in the last six months of school. As it was, I had an offer of 3 As and a Grade 1 S level from the #2 in the world. I didn't get those grades and went to #4 instead, which I absolutely loved, so it all turned out for the best. -
Message 19
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
Dragon are you talking about Harvard and Yale?
I was offered EE by Cambridge.
OI I was applying to universities at the end of the 70s and I can tell you that no self-respecting establishment would offer a place for an English, History or Modern Languages for less than Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú - definitely needed an A for English at any redbrick or similar.
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I was not thinking of the totally useless but fashionable courses Or of redbricks. Actually your comment made from ignorance suggests that you agree with me.
Do you know what Engineering is? -
Message 20
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
Dragon are you talking about Harvard and Yale?Ìý
Indeed not!
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Message 21
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
I had a matriculation offer for what is currently (arguably) the world's fourth best university. I had to get 2 Es. This was not because the Admissions Tutor thought 2 Es was what was needed for the course nor was it what I was predicted to get. I assume the idea was to attract capable candidates who were likely to get good A levels but, more importantly, who, in the Admissions Tutor's opinion, had had a good enough grounding to do well on the course even if something went wrong during the A level exams.
How I wish I had made that my first choice! I would have had a much more enjoyable time in the last six months of school. As it was, I had an offer of 3 As and a Grade 1 S level from the #2 in the world. I didn't get those grades and went to #4 instead, which I absolutely loved, so it all turned out for the best.Ìý
That was presumably UCL saying that they wanted to be your retained second choice?
I presume you did not take the Cambridge Entrance Exams, or you would have had no offer, or EE there too.
I too applied to UCL. IIRC they gave me a stiff offer which was taken to mean "no rejects wanted" -
Message 22
Posted by Dragonfly (U2223700) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
No, I went for a conditional offer instead of the exam.
I somehow doubt Jamie will be applying to any of the universities mentioned in this thread. -
Message 23
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
Same here, PJ.
I can verify that in Scotland in the late 70s in order to do English at a Russell Group university you required at least 4 B passes at Higher. -
Message 24
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
In reply to Mieteka:
Same here, PJ.
I can verify that in Scotland in the late 70s in order to do English at a Russell Group university you required at least 4 B passes at Higher.Ìý
Obviously by the LATE 70s grade inflation had set it?
(mostly a joke)
But my original comment had nothing to do with English at Russell group universities. -
Message 25
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
But I was replying to Petal Jam's post, OI. And as I can only speak from personal experience, it is therefore relevant to mention both the course and Russell Group universities.
Threads do move on and the focus changes as they do so. -
Message 26
Posted by petal jam (U1466691) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
Actually your comment made from ignorance..Ìý My point originally, which got lost in the typing, was that I went to university some years after you, although long before they altered the A level structure, and that grade requirements were already higher than your quoted CCD. Also it was true then, as now, that some courses expected higher marks than others.
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Message 27
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
My point originally, which got lost in the typing, was that I went to university some years after you, although long before they altered the A level structure, and that grade requirements were already higher than your quoted CCD. Also it was true then, as now, that some courses expected higher marks than others.Ìý
But you were referring to very high demand subjects at Russell Group universities.
I was referring to a wider range of both subjects and universities,. -
Message 28
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
You're wrong OI - petal jam never mentioned Russell group universities.
I did, because that is where my experience lies and therefore I have direct experience of the matter. -
Message 29
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 15th September 2012
In reply to Mieteka:
You're wrong OI - petal jam never mentioned Russell group universities.
I did, because that is where my experience lies and therefore I have direct experience of the matter.Ìý
Whoever said what, the reference point for this discussion is my post 9 when I said
<< 40 years ago CCD would get you into a pretty good university! >>
I DID NOT SAY
"get you into a TOP university such as the Russell Group (then known as redbricks)"
I DID NOT SAY
"get you in for a top demand/supply ratio course such as English/History/Modern languages etc."
I SAID
"40 years ago CCD would get you into a pretty good university! "
I had in mind pretty good universities such as Southampton, Warwick, York (all of which I applied to myself) to do perfectly serious subjects. Some of which, God forbid, might actually give a useful education for employment - then often a sequel to university.
Computer Science was popular. As was electronics. And sandwich courses. And joint honours. -
Message 30
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
I don't know why you are getting in such a strop, or why you identify Russell Group universities with 'redbricks'. Since when were Oxford and Cambridge (to name just two) 'redbricks'?
And who are you to determine what is a 'serious subject' that might prove a useful education for employment? Having a degree does not necessarily mean you are restricted to employment in that sphere. Rather, it may indicate that the graduate is capable of a certain level of study which employers find a useful criteria when selecting applicants. -
Message 31
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
I'M getting in a strop?
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Message 32
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
oh yes.
And talking complete nonsense about RG universities = redbricks!
You didn't go to a RG university by the sounds of it. -
Message 33
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
I am not over clear which are/are not "Russell Group". I thought it was O&C(?) and the redbricks?
I went to Cambridge. We neither knew nor cared about the Russell group -
Message 34
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
Oh dear, OI - you are in a mood this morning. And wrong again too.
I refer you to post 30, where you I stated that Cambridge is indeed a RG university. And funnily enough, was a founder member!!!!! -
Message 35
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
I refer you to post 30, where you I stated that Cambridge is indeed a RG university. And funnily enough, was a founder member!!!!!Ìý
Did you I ?
Wiki tells me that it is an organisation formed ages after I was at the varsity - so no wonder I know little of it.
The Russell Group is an association of 24 British public research universities. It is headquartered in London and was established in 1994 to represent its members' interests, principally to government and parliament; -
Message 36
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
Right, so you stopped learning the second you left? how very sad.
Perhaps a few more facts might demonstrate why the RG is at the centre of learning:
"The Russell Group represents 24 leading UK universities which are committed to maintaining the very best research, an outstanding teaching and learning experience and unrivalled links with business and the public sector.
"In 2010, the Russell Group’s then-20 universities were a prominent UK and international industry in their own right, with:
•A total economic output £22.3 billion per annum
•Responsibility for supporting 243,000 jobs UK-wide
•Overseas earnings of over £2 billion per annum"
" two-thirds of the UK’s very best (‘world leading’) research took place in Russell Group universities
• on average, twice as much of the research undertaken at Russell Group universities is ‘world leading’ compared to the rest of the sector"
"Over 2010-11:
• The 24 Russell Group universities accounted for 71% of the IP income generated by UK universities.
• The estimated turnover from companies spun out from the 24 Russell Group universities was 49% of the total sector.
• Active spin outs from Russell Group universities accounted for 63% of those which survived for three years. "
It's rather well-known, the Russell Group. -
Message 37
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
In reply to Mieteka:
Right, so you stopped learning the second you left? how very sad.Ìý
I can catch a train without knowing about the trades unions involved.
Visit a doctor with only a hazy idea of what the BMA does.
See my solicitor with little idea of who runs the Law Society.
So why should I feel obliged to know much about the Russell Group? -
Message 38
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
Why? Well quite simply because then you might not say factually incorrect things like:
Organoleptic Icon said
"the Russell Group (then known as redbricks) "Ìý
with such complete assurance and certainty, when the truth is you know absolutely nothing about the subject. It does reduce your credibility somewhat. -
Message 39
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
In reply to Mieteka:
Why? Well quite simply because then you might not say factually incorrect things like:
Organoleptic Icon said
"the Russell Group (then known as redbricks) "
with such complete assurance and certainty, when the truth is you know absolutely nothing about the subject. It does reduce your credibility somewhat.Ìý
Oh, I know a little, and Cambridge men always speak with confident assurance.
Surely all the Redbricks became Mussels**? And formed its core, along with the Ancient Universities?
** Spellcheck, but seemed too good to correct! -
Message 40
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
If that is true, perhaps the university would do well to post in a prominent place these famous words of Abraham Lincoln:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. -
Message 41
Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
Thought it was Bob Dylan?
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Message 42
Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 16th September 2012
now you really are just blowin' in the wind!
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