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TOM HART DYKE- JUST BRILLIANT!!!!
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Message 1.Â
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Sunday, 1st April 2007
Oh when oh when oh when will the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú realise that the answer to all the criticism- much of it unjust- that is scattered so liberally around these boards (and apparently in some low quality US owned Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú hating none tax paying Murdoch owned newspapers) towards the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú TV presenters- lies in this young man- Tom Hart Dyke.
Just seeing him at that award ceremony the other week for the tourist thing he'd won, in his suit but with the culturally significant green "Benny" hat so everyone knew he was a gardener (I believe some years ago JAMIE OLIVER came to a similar ceremony swigging a bottle of cheap sherry so everyone knew he was a chef, and just look where he is now eh?) showed me that we have our man for the job. I often wear a "Benny" hat and I'm a gardener- how fantastic that THD recognises that and responds by showing his connection with ordinary lumpen gardeners in such a public way.
Sir, I salute you!
THD for Gardeners World I say, although i would not want to see MD pushed out- perhaps THD could serve an apprenticeship under MD, much like Luke Skywalker did under Obi Wan Kenobi- and we will finally have a friday night gardening programme we can ALL be happy about! -
Message 2
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Sunday, 1st April 2007
Mr Pig, I like your Star Wars analogy, however comparing Monty Don to Obi Wan, seems somewhat unjust to the great jedi master, considering MD has the horticultural ability of a potatoe. Surely the great 'jedi' of the gardening world has to be MR T. I say bring back Alan...who will be able to school THD in the way of the warrior!
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Message 3
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Sunday, 1st April 2007
Warrior Spirit MycoWaz!
Did you not know that the force runs strong in Monty's family? His great great grandfather was a Jedi-entomologist Master who always gave good advice in dealing with odious intergallactic and conservatory pests and vermin- and that's the kind of help and advice I'd like to be hearing of a friday night.
Did you ever read Mr T's novel? I didn't, I'd rather eat my own tongue, but I understand there was a tendancy to flirt with the dark side.. -
Message 4
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Sunday, 1st April 2007
So we have a cast comprising of THD as Luke Skywalker, MD as Obi Wan Kenobi and Mr T as the Dark lord Vader. Would make a cracking programme. Maybe the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú will read this and be inspired, just as long we get the credit Mr Pig. -
Message 5
Posted by KarmaChameleon (U2371177) on Tuesday, 3rd April 2007
Such a pity he's such a numpty, and really quite incompetant, with little real understanding, although his enthusiasm is endeering for the first 10 minutes.
Banging on about really rare plants and how difficult they are (Clianthus) - dead easy from easily obtainable seed, will flower and survive outside in a lot of the UK. Not incredibly rare or difficult as he stated. -
Message 6
Posted by jules-2 (U7644345) on Tuesday, 3rd April 2007
Couldnt agree more, said exactly the same about the clianthus to my OH.
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Message 7
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 3rd April 2007
Who or what is THD? Never heard of him!
The real Obi 1. -
Message 8
Posted by KarmaChameleon (U2371177) on Tuesday, 3rd April 2007
Just wonder if he takes his cue from Ebay sellers
At the moment some of the plants listed as 'rare' and 'very rare' include Dicentra spectabilis, Schizostylis coccinea and Aquilegia 'Black Barlow'
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Message 9
Posted by KarmaChameleon (U2371177) on Tuesday, 3rd April 2007
Tom Hart Dyke, Obs. He's the 'plant hunter' who got himself captured by guerrillas in Columbia.
Don't know what he was going to do with the orchids if he found them, just bring them back without CITES I suppose.
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Message 10
Posted by nickl52 (U7017713) on Tuesday, 3rd April 2007
Tom Hart Dyke is a 'gardener' on a show called 'Return to Lullingstone Castle' on a Monday night, cant remember if its Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú1 or Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú2
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Message 11
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 3rd April 2007
Thanks. I've got him now. It's a programme I've been careful to avoid since seeeing the trailers and a few minutes of one broacast show. That news story sounds like a pair of pirrocks out for publicity and not knowing their proverbial from their elbow about life in the great outdoor elsewhere.
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Message 12
Posted by sparklingsnowleapord (U3848262) on Tuesday, 3rd April 2007
Dont worry obbs i had never heard of him neither.
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Message 13
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
DeeAshton: Thats a bit mean calling him a "numpty" and saying he's "incompetent" (which is spelt correctly here for you). I'm also looking forward to hearing how you decided he has "little real understanding"- what is "real understanding" then? Please explain. Let us into your standards. It's a documentary man, not Open University.
I don't agree with you about "endearing enthusiasm" (here spelt correctly for you). Personally, I can't stand enthusiasm, it makes me sick, just what is endearing about it or are you just being cheaply personal and patronising?
Too many posters on these boards are just too quick to criticize (note sp.) perfectly decent people earning a crust entertaining us with their funny ways.
I noticed that THD has been called the gardening Jamie Oliver- Has anyone else noticed that, like Mr Oliver, Mr Hart-Dyke has a not inconsequent tongue? There is another similarity, namely where I see their ultimate career destinations.
No one can doubt the immense success of the governments "Tsar" scheme. Thanks to the litter, drugs and smoking Tsars, our country is again a place fit for heroes. What should happen next then, is , Jamie should become Junk Food Tsar and Tom should be appointed Gardening Tsar. Tom's role would be to man a hotline so that retired colonels in the home counties who were feeling outraged about something, could phone him up and let it all out. This would be as long as it was a gardening related issue that was causing the outrage, such a hose pipe bans or Polish people eating all our dandelions. With Tom's demeanour, the retired colonel and phoney ex-wing commander would soon be put back on the path of happiness and gardening therapy would have another satisfied customer.
Finally, I notice that THD has a book out about being an eccentric gardener. This is great, I love eccentricity and the one thing missing from my career in horticulture so far has been eccentrics. How wonderful that at last we have our own eccentric gardening Tsar and to have him on TV is a bonus we should not choose so lightly to scoff at. -
Message 14
Posted by Piggin (U4839534) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Too many posters on these boards are just too quick to criticize (note sp.) Â
note AMERICAN spelling!
the English spelling is criticise - if we're being pedantic
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Message 15
Posted by U4299637 (U4299637) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Derek!
What must Brian Harvey think of your new favourite?!
Surely now in his moment of need, Brian needs all the professional support he can get - Not your fickle flit to a new media darling. Has THD ever backed his Bentley over his own head? And before you answer, no, having your chauffeur to do the deed doesn't count.
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Message 16
Posted by Jenks812 (U5452843) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Derek,
I think perhaps that a true eccentric doesn't really know he's eccentric. Calling yourself an eccentric gardener almost shows a bit too much "self awareness" for him to be truly so.
I suspect a bit of an act on his part....
then again, i could always (and normally am) wrong. -
Message 17
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Please can I be allowed a self indulgent pedantic moment?
-ize is correct in English (Fowler) when it's used as a suffix. In English we can use either -ise or -ize as a suffix where the root stands alone- eg criticize (critic root word) computerize (computer) but not advise as "adv" is not a word!
The -ise is now more commonly used, -ize is always used in US English .
It doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but I find it interesting! -
Message 18
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Did I ever mention I once ran over my own head...maybe I should in the running for Montys job!? -
Message 19
Posted by KarmaChameleon (U2371177) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Derek Pig, I'm so terribly sorry, I thought I was allowed an opinion, but obviously yours is the only one allowed on this thread.
Perhaps you would care to re-read my thread and if you have watched the show, it's obvious that he hads little understanding of plants - the Clianthus is a very good example, also his comments about having to chop the roots with a spade to make it flower are a complete nonsense. Heavy frost is forecast and he leaves fleshy tender plants out with just a covering of plastic - not even a thought of condensation and the damage that can do.
Anyone who sets themselves up the way he has constantly done should be sure of their facts before making blanket statements. Regardless of what type of programme it is surely there should be factual information?
What a shame you have to get so personal and pick on someones spelling, I would expect, without a doubt you are perfect and oh so knowledgeable. Just how long did it take you to put my post through a spell checker? Perhaps next time you should use an English version.
Mea culpa, naturally
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Message 20
Posted by solomonsseal (U3026097) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Who knows or cares what Porcine Derek's self-important self-celebrating self-adulating waffle is about, anyway? Is it relevant to gardening? Is it about how clever he or she is?
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Message 21
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Too many posters on these boards are just too quick to criticize (note sp.) perfectly decent people earning a crust entertaining us with their funny ways.Â
I didn't realise it was a crime to be critical of presenters - after all, they're there of their own volition (surely a prize for stringing all these differing 'theres' together). I haven't seen the programme, and I'm not aware I've ever clapped eyes on the fellow, but it's obviously his choice whether or not he wishes to appear on TV. The viewer will always have an opinion, and rate him/her according to others fulfilling a similar role on TV. However, if you are right in suggesting that he is entertaining us with his funny ways, it would seem clear that this is yet another presenter hamming it up for the cameras. You admit you like eccentricity (I don't, since most of it is for the cameras), and this is obviously where you differ from Dee. I would suggest that too many posters are just too quick to praize (here spelt in a way which will meet with your approval) fairly average individuals. I really must keep an eye open for this programme (assuming it's not a one-off). -
Message 22
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Now now, I think everyone should calm down a bit!
Lets not get into character assasination...unless they deserve it, like Monty Don!! What a numpty!
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Message 23
Posted by auricula (U3244275) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Tom Hart Dyke is a total waste of space and knows very little about plants,gardening or climate!!!
Derek Pig is a troll ( and a rather rude one at that!! ) We have had loads of threads saying how posts should not be judged on spelling,capitals,grammar etc ( slips of fingers DO occur)
Dee is a proven knowledgeable poster and probably a superior gardener to either/both of the above mentioned
Monty Don is just boring
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Message 24
Posted by -paulo (U2329115) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Well said that... primulaceae
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Message 25
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Oh Lordy! What are you lot like when you think you smell the scent of blood? I've read through your postings- which let us remind ourselves, are in response to me defending Tom Hart-Dyke, a chap you've decided to pick on on a forum where he can't really defend himself. How bold of you all!!
so:
Gartenmeister. Brian Harvey is still my number one choice, along with the Kew Diploma educated- hey, just like DeeAshton - Tinita Tikaram, to present Gardeners World. This would I hope be backed up by a strong supporting cast from Phil Jupitus and his Ewok Landscape Army. That said, I still rate THD as a thouroughly decent egg.
Jenks. You say that anyone who claims to be eccentric probably isn't. I know. It was irony. Also, what you don't know is that horticulture is the home of the freak. If you worked in horticulture you'd be amazed by the wide range of eccentrics and proper nutters holding high profile jobs in major gardens. The stories I could tell- but I'm not because that's not a very nice thing to do.
Toonia. Here here. I found DeeAshton's posting pompous and supercilious. So I picked on his spelling. If he comes back with another, I'll pick on his grammar.
Mycowaz- Nice work in running over the bonce- you rock. What I now want you to answwer is, would solomonseal notice a joke if it ran over his or her head?
KenSmart. Your answers are always like reading a transcript of Richard Briars brain trying to decide what jumper to put on in the morning for a round of crazy golf on the sea front at Eastbourne. Thanks for your balanced views- I take it on board.
Auricula. Me a Troll? Its better you throw cheap insults at me than THD who can't reply. I can but choose not to bother.
Dee. Thanks pal, mine IS the only opinion allowed- your apology is accepted. Read up on plants response to stress- can you find out what it is about plant physiology that makes them flower in response to stress? Ask a good fruit grower. Everyone loses stuff to frost or drought.I don't care what he lost- he learned by it and so did the viewer. What "blanket statements" are you making blanket statements about? And no I didn't spell check it.
Now everybody please, it is coming up to Easter- lets not get worked up- lets just be thankful that there are gardeners on TV, lets have our favourites and the ones we choose not to watch- but lets not go for the cheap personal abuse- its pathetic, its typical of the arrogance you get from many amateur gardeners and its why as a working gardener, I can't stand the gardening public.
Hey, that last comment- it's a joke by the way. I love it when you come up with all your cute questions especially the ten a day that start with "I'm not expecting you to know this, but..."
Off back under my bridge.
Dezza Pigzy -
Message 26
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Your the man!!
Rock on!
Vive la Pig! -
Message 27
Posted by Margi (U2334861) on Wednesday, 4th April 2007
Derek
You might want to learn to spell Tanita Tikaram as she does herself, with TANITA being her own spelling for her forename - of do you know better than the artist herself??? Just a friendly thought as you're SO keen on spelling!!!
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Message 28
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
yeah, right Margo. Like I care. I was taking the Mickey. Oh you pedanticist....
But when she had her fast food curry house in Camden Town, it was called "Tinita's Tikka Take Out". Maybe she's ahead of the times?
Great gardener though, Kew Diploma graduate, not bad eh?
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Message 29
Posted by groovygran (U2934690) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
D.Pig certainly likes the sound of his own voice! How long does it take to look up those 'impressive' words in a dictionary, does he really know the meaning of them?
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Message 30
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
Derek Pig - will you please behave yourself. A few of us know you're a grumpy old professional gardener with proper grubby hands and lots of experience and no time for what you think of as "no knowledge" TV presenters in any shape or form. However, most of the posters here do not appreciate that you are posting from a deep well of anarchy and irony.
As it happens, Dee is also a grubby hands experienced gardener with her own nursery and is as entitled to her views as anyone else and we've had a long, long thread on spelling and grammar so you should have picked up Toonia's irony in responding to your spelling lesson. -
Message 31
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
KenSmart. Your answers are always like reading a transcript of Richard Briars brain trying to decide what jumper to put on in the morning for a round of crazy golf on the sea front at Eastbourne. Thanks for your balanced views- I take it on board.Â
How strange - does it even make sense? I don't know whether to be flattered or offended. At least it made me smile, and I appreciate that. -
Message 32
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
Sorry what is climate change? have I missed something? -
Message 33
Posted by U4299637 (U4299637) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
Smart my man!
That's the spirit! It made me smile too.
I don't find anything wrong with the young chap and his 'World Garden'. I'm sure he's a thoroughly good egg!
Mind you, I thought Choisya 'Aztec Pearl' was a rarity until my gardener told me you can pick them up at 'garden centres'. What will they think of next?!
Pip pip!
Sir Sidney -
Message 34
Posted by littleTheaceae (U7282432) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
Well, anyone that plants out tender plants before the frosts has passed and then loses them is an idiot. Then decides to buy a polytunnel for his tender display. That's going to to look really lovely! If he had a clue abput plants, he would have got a glasshouse in place for the plants in ADVANCE. The man is a bumbling upper class fool!
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Message 35
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
Don't be such a snob. Anyone can be bumbling fool.
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Message 36
Posted by Yakram (U2443370) on Thursday, 5th April 2007
DerekPig brings home the bacon by becoming rasher, sizzling nicely and making porky pies.
Where I work we are ambassadors to the public on behalf of the Estate, even through gritted teeth at their inane 'jokes', because their money is needed for upkeep.
So I sympathise that the job would be lovely if it wasn't for the public, but then I wouldn't have a job. -
Message 37
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Friday, 6th April 2007
I could tell you some cracking stories about the gardening public and their loose grip on the world of horticulture. I work in a public garden that sees significant numbers of punters coming through the gates, and I can only describe most of them as complete numptys...probably been watching to much Monty Don I suspect. Not just their ignorance about plants but their lack of respect for them. Im with Mr Pig, the gardening public are a pain, and shouldnt be tolerated.
Come the revolution...things will change. Warrior Spirit! -
Message 38
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Saturday, 7th April 2007
Hi OB-1. yes, sorry, I was trying really hard but you know how it is. I was only going on about spelling because i thought someone was being pompous. I'm a bit crotchety at the moment anyway- my wife had yet another baby in January and I'm losing my beauty sleep. Honestly, when i find the father he can consider himself chinned!! Judging on young Scargill's looks (Scargill Pig, nice name yes?), I think it might have been that Beardshaw who's fathered him but I'm keeping away from any postings regarding CB until I've calmed down..
Mycowaz- warrior spirit comrade! A while ago I suggested , on these boards, that we establish a National Union of Militant Gardeners. In our first year we would abolish the RHS and turn Wisley into a leek farm. In our second year we would abolish private property, the family and the state. You sound like an ideal shop steward. Are you with us? -
Message 39
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 7th April 2007
Hi DP - sorry but your lack of sleep sounds a bit self inflicted. Hope it doesn't last too long.
It's all very well being a militant gardener but if you do away with Wisley et al, where are you going to work? Who's going to pay you?
I'm also fairly certain that some of the gardening public are perfectly reasonable people - though I do completely see your point about those who nick seeds and cuttings and thing professional gardeners are too dumb to do another job. Lots of very real gardeners and plantsmen and women in the RHS too you know. -
Message 40
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Saturday, 7th April 2007
Mr Pig, what a BRILLIANT idea, A Natioanl Union of Militant Gardeners, let me be the first to pledge allegiance. I cant think of a better leader than your good self. Before abolishing the RHS could we also send Monty Don to some remote island where he will have to grow his own vegtables to survive. Maybe we could use this forum to recruit other members. So posters please let us know that you are one of us!! -
Message 41
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Saturday, 7th April 2007
Yes OB-1. I agree with everything you've said. The RHS though, it is just the Tory Party in the garden.
Sorry. I'm just being a tiresome git, -
Message 42
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 7th April 2007
Have to disagree there DP - I know a few socialist members and not all members are well-heeled plum-in-mouth types. Lots of gardeners like you are prominent members.
However, I do think a National Union of Mililitant Gardeners might be good fun and wish you luck. I shall watch with interest. -
Message 43
Posted by Yakram (U2443370) on Saturday, 7th April 2007
The newly formed NUMG could link up with the Sisterhood of Amazing Lady Gardeners, a fearsome warrior tribe of cultivators. They have a long history, and their first President was Eve, from the first Eden Project.
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Message 44
Posted by U4299637 (U4299637) on Monday, 9th April 2007
Now Mr Pig,
As a proud ex vice-president of the All-party Parliamentary Group for Gardening and Horticulture, I have to disagree with your, quite frankly, silly movement.
If I had to pay my gardeners what your NUMG members say is the minimum wage, who would stoke the boilers at night, stake my Dahlia walk or swish the dew from my croquet greens? How frightfully unsporting of you.
I'm sure young THD has to deal with problems like this too. What is the world coming to nowadays? I can't even dock their wages for not standing up for the national anthem any more!!!
Your trottered Trotskyism is polluting this thread, and if it wasn't the fact that my gardening boys can't use the 'interweb' in their bothy, I'd be jolly annoyed with you!
Your in disgust,
(ex Right hon.) Sir Sidney -
Message 45
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Monday, 9th April 2007
Are you the same (Right hon) Sir Sydney that got gaught with his trousers down in the 'Gentlemens Club' in Soho... and caused an international incident when it was revealed that the young lady in question was the daughter of a prominent right wing judge?.... just wondering -
Message 46
Posted by groovygran (U2934690) on Monday, 9th April 2007
What form is the militancy going to take? And why are you being militant anyway? obviously I've lost the plot somewhere!
Are you rivalling the Raving Monster Loony Party? -
Message 47
Posted by mr naughty corner (U2456974) on Monday, 9th April 2007
Monster raving loonies were a party- there will be no place for parties once we abolish the state (along with the family and private property).
Sir Sid. When I was a young lad, brought up somewhat to the left of Lenin in what's called "Little Russia", me and my friends went to a nearby stately home. In my first venture into horticulture (and infantile yet always hilarious politics), I took a load of creosote (I think) from a large shed and wrote something horrible about the rich, death and fire, on the massive ornamental lawn. In massive letters. And a crude drawing. I was only 9 years old and that kind of artistic ability was yet to happen. I also used to regularly smash the pheasant pens and it was me who took the gamekeepers line of dead crows, weasels, stoats, birds of prey and a badger cub and left them hidden in and around your stables and out houses. It was also me who weed on the seat of the big silver car in the shed. Sorry Sir Sid, it was just that early 80's thing.
Anyway, this is the kind of militancy I'm talking about here comrades. Proper politics that matter. Or at least are mildly irritating. Are you all with me chaps? Mycowaz, can I count on your support here?
If this was your lawn then I'm very sorry. -
Message 48
Posted by MycotalWarrior (U7797013) on Tuesday, 10th April 2007
Mr Pig, You can count on more than my support, I shall be a commrade in arms, we need more like-minded individuals though, who else is with us? -
Message 49
Posted by GardenGnome (U4271468) on Tuesday, 10th April 2007
THD only looks about 12! what can he know about gardening
and as for poor old Monty, I cant understand why he gets so much flack. So what IF he has made the odd mistake, we all do dont we 
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Message 50
Posted by Rhoda Dendron (U2176380) on Tuesday, 10th April 2007
Nothing to say Degsy other than I started to read the thread and it went out of focus after several glasses of wine. Is Sir Sydney whatever a sock puppet? I told my OH about sock puppets having learned what they were on this board and despite having worked in IT for many years he hadn't heard of them - at least not in this context anyway..
he thought it was quite fascinating, but I guess he doesn't have so much of a life really..
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