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Posted by rainonroses (U10426712) on Monday, 28th July 2008
Hello everyone,
This is my first posting so go easy on me please, but I have been reading the messages on this board for months, ever since I first came looking to see if anyone else was as angry and disappointed about what has now been aptly named Joe's Fantasy Allotment. I finally got my own plot this January and was over the moon to find GW would be covering it, as I needed all the help and advice I could get. Yes, well, 7 months down the line I am making my own way without the benefit of any help from GW.
I just wanted to put forward a possible explanation as to why the 麻豆官网首页入口 is taking absolutely no notice of all the very sensible, constructive comments dotted about this board, based on my own work experience in a library, where Management is obsessed with attracting new people and throws huge amounts of money at trying to drag in sectors of the population who will either never come or come for the inducements and then drift away when they are finished. This leads to total neglect of and a very cavalier attitude towards the loyal core membership who are more or less told if they don't like it, then go away... see where I am heading with this, folks?
The 麻豆官网首页入口 seems to be similarly frantic to attract a mythical younger, hip, new audience - hence the emphasis on (get ready for the words) - design, conceptual, urban, new take, passion, kids, young family, lifestyle, instant, new for this season, anyone can grow enough veg for a family of 5 in a window box and two barrels, themed borders, climate change, green roofs, architectural, jungle, goji berries, strange shaped allotment beds for the sake of it, I could go on
I'm now off to put some work - hot, back-breaking, slow, paintstaking work to which Joe is apparently a stranger - into my weed covered, couch grass infested, slug coated, struggling but genuine allotment, of which I am very proud. Thanks for reading, people.
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Message 2
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Monday, 28th July 2008
What an excellent first post it is, rainonroses!
I think you're right. I read the interview with an actress in the back of Radio Times and when asked if she thought "Heartbeat" would continue she answered that it would unless the producers "do this terrible thing that television does now, which is 'We must get the 18-25s on board'"
I don't watch that particular programme but the comment made me think of the 麻豆官网首页入口's Gardening output, or lack of it!
It's not only lottie people who have to struggle on without useful, topical gardening advice either!
These message boards used to make up for some of the advice lacking but since they had to be "improved" a lot of experienced gardeners have abandoned ship - the very "core membership" which you refer to!Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 3
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 28th July 2008
When I studied Marketing many moons ago we had it drummed into us that it is easier, cheaper and more effective for the profit line to keep existing customers by making them happy than it is to entice new ones, especially if in doing that you alienate the regulars.
If the problem is indeed that the Beeb wants to attract a younger audience it should try it with a separate gardening programme and leave GW as it was - authoritative, informative, high quality and entertaining too. We used to have programmes like Small Front Gardens and that house and garden series with Diarmuid G and Lawrence L-B that were presumably of interest to younger people too. Why have they disappeared from the schedules?
Just an aside, but I understood that in the UK younger people are now outnumbered by the middle aged and grey generations so why would the 麻豆官网首页入口 be seeking automatically to reduce its audience and is its remit not to entertain, educate and inform everyone and not the chosen few?Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 4
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Monday, 28th July 2008
Hi rainonroses - I also agree with you. In the event the "mythical" audience did tune in they couldn't fail to be patronized by the stuff that is supposed to appeal to them anyway!
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Message 5
Posted by Dame Wombat (U2332024) on Monday, 28th July 2008
It's not going to be able to compete with Corrie anyway, is it?
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Message 6
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Monday, 28th July 2008
The way its going it couldn't compete with Crossroads - well not when it had Amy Turtle in it anyway.
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Message 7
Posted by copywrite (U3184365) on Monday, 28th July 2008
Firstly, I don't know who Amy Turtle is or was. Presumably, not one of the Ninja Turtles.
So much of this thread captures my own thoughts on the subject. I ranted recently about the media and the way they make veg gardening seem easy when it clearly isn't for anyone who has done it. That, I believe, is due to the pervasiveness of what was once termed 'slash and burn' journalism, or more recently, 'drive by journalism'. In other words, the need to cover a story and move on to the next thing without the considered approach available with time and consideration. This has come about largely due to the competitive nature of the media and the need to break news every few minutes 24 hours a day to compete with the online and 24 hour TV news agenda.
Sadly, GW seems to be afflicted with the same thinking, though I would argue needlessly. Quite right to say that other programmes should be tailored to that group if the desire to attract 18-24 year olds is the goal. GW is for the converted, not a tool for conversion.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 8
Posted by nanaanna (U9512847) on Monday, 28th July 2008
the producers "do this terrible thing that television does now, which is 'We must get the 18-25s on board'"听
Most 18-25s wouldn't want a garden to grow things in, they'd want a 'booze and barbie' garden. GW is not the place for them.
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Message 9
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 28th July 2008
As we saw all too often on Garden Invaders - decking, cushions and a BBQ and maybe a plant or two. Yuk!
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Message 10
Posted by beejay (U2219592) on Monday, 28th July 2008
Most 18-25s wouldn't want a garden to grow things in, they'd want a 'booze and barbie' garden. GW is not the place for them.
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Although this may be true of some or even many of this particular age group I really don't think we should do the usual & treat them all as if they are the same & write them off as complete non-gardeners. Firstly it is probably offensive to those young people who ARE interested in gardening of whom there are many & we SHOULD be encouraging them to take an interest & grow 'stuff' in gardens, allotments, windowboxes or whatever. A little encouragement could go a long way!
I do however agree that 'whizzy' camera work & all the other production shenanigans are NOT the way to either encourage new viewers or keep the old ones.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 11
Posted by londongreen (U11380141) on Monday, 28th July 2008
What is the problem if Joe wants to put triangular beds on the allotment? It is his plot, not ours. If he wants to design his plot in a way that does not conform with the traditional view of an allotment, all power to him. All he is doing is showing us that you can put some individuality into your allotment. Vegetables don't have to be grown in straight rows, do they?
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Message 12
Posted by Kathy (U898169) on Monday, 28th July 2008
I am part of this terrible 18 to 25s generation you think Gardeners' World are going after, but they're not. All this veg-growing, families and goji berries, etc, is more likely to attract people in their 30's and 40's surely?
I'm not sure anyone would try to attract anyone aged 18 to 25 anyway because we won't actually own our own garden until we're 47.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 13
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
That may be true but there's no reason why your generation couldn't be inspired to grow things in pots on balconies and window ledges or even just to get stuck in at home if still living with parents or in a house share. You also need something good to look at and possible to eat and could save quite a bit of money just on home grown herbs - assuming you cook.
You may well be right about the family oriented 30s and 40s as a target audience but I don't see why they have to be talked down to in the current GW manner. Helen Yemm did it so much better and more thoroughly in her Gardening From Scratch series which tackled several kinds of gardens at once including an organic garden and rescuing a derelict garden.
Nor do I see why the needs and aspirations of the core audience should be so neglected. We enthusiasts have welcomed the move to a one hour programme but unfortunately the content has not risen to the challenge and the constant shuffling off the schedule to make way for other events is extremely frustrating to those whose gardens don't stop growing for Wimbledon, athletics, Olympics, Proms or anything else.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 14
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
The problem isn't young people! The majority of the older members on here started being interested in gardening when young, I'm sure.
The problem is how television producers perceive
the young and what they would find attractive in a programme.
It is they who underestimate the intelligence of the younger audience by making everything flashy and doling out info in short bursts that don't test powers of concentration!Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 15
Posted by web0741 (U11604089) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
Obelixx, don't knock Garden Invaders too much! They did a very good job of getting my first small garden in order (and I got all the right answers - first person to do it apparently!)back in 2001. That kick started my interest in gardening, and now I have a fifth of an acre plot!
What I would like to see is a little more variety, maybe a couple of programmes a week with one a little more dedicated to veg growing. What I do like about GW is that each week relates (more or less) to what you can do/ grow in the garden now.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 16
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
I quite agree. Increasingly the 麻豆官网首页入口 seems to think none of us can maintain an attention span fo more than a minute or so and need constant reminders of what is about to happen or has just happened in even the most simple programme. It's as though they think we need prodding awake all the time.
I'm all for targeting new audiences and getting more people interested in gardening but let it be done with respect for our intelligence, with integrity and let us be allowed to become throughly engrossed in a subject instead of being constantly given superficial tat.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 17
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
That last reply was for Toons.
Web - I thought the basic concept for Garden Invaders was sound but increasingly they went for young people just wanting a quick fix and a party space rather than real gardens with plants.
I'm glad it sparked an interest in gardening for you but have to disagree about GW. It's no longer on regularly enough to cover what's happening in a garden each week and when it is it is plagued by poor camera shots, lack of depth and too much flitting about which is mostly a producer and editor problem.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 18
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
What is the problem if Joe wants to put triangular beds on the allotment? It is his plot, not ours听
There would be no problem at all if Joe were a competent gardener, but under the circumstances it would have been sensible for a novice to concentrate on guiding viewers on how to produce good quality vegetables instead of alienating people with his fancy shapes. It sent out the wrong message on day one. I would also challenge your assertion that the garden 'is his'. The whole idea (I would assume) is that Joe Public can associate with what they're watching on-screen, and follow the good examples shown.
Vegetables don't have to be grown in straight rows, do they?听
They certainly don't, and there are occasions when it is desirable to have them growing in a scattered fashion. However, there are many advantages in 'straight rows', and in fairness, my recollection was that Joe did sow in rows within his fancy shaped bed (though I may be wrong, since I didn't see too much of his efforts).
I think what infuriated many of us, was that we were quite excited when we were first informed that Joe would be tackling an allotment, but subsequently found that it was a largely unhelpful 'made for TV' allotment that was being foisted upon us. It was difficult not to laugh at some of the antics, and this was a shame considering that this had the potential to be a feature in GW for years to come. It will be interesting to see if the 'allotment' segment is continued in subsequent series - assuming there is going to be a subsequent series - and whether the hapless Joe will still be 'forking' around.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Posted by web0741 (U11604089) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
I don't disagree obelixx - I was just trying to find one positive thing about GW!
My Mother got me Geoff Hamiltons Gardening year when I had my first garden. It's still one of my favourite books, and that is what I would like to see televised. no nonsense, week by week - explanations, and a little bit of latest innovations, new plants etc.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 20
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
Web - I think that's what most of us would like.
Ken Smart - absolutely. The JS allotment slot has proved to be a farce and, more importantly, not helpful for novices or even old hands.
They could even have gone to one or both of the allotment sites they used in the Big Dig and used those for a weekly guide to allotment growing. There were novices and old hands on both sites so we could see how to get on clearing and preparing a new allotment and how to rotate and nurture crops on an established one.
As it is Joe has become a joke and his advice can't be trusted which is a pity because when presenting Chelsea with AT or his series of Front Gardens he does well talking about garden design.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 21
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
Obelixx, I think you鈥檙e effectively asking why does the 麻豆官网首页入口 treat its established 鈥渃ustomers鈥 with such contempt.
I don鈥檛 think I鈥檓 too wrong in believing that this is because no government has had the guts to deny it the oxygen of its arrogance, ie. compulsory licence fees. It would be playing a different tune, I think, if it had to earn its income.
I would not be, exactly, surprised if some newspaper proprietor started charging me for his newspaper(s), whether or not I read them!Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 22
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
I agree with you,Kathy; 18-25 year olds, in general, are not interested in tilling the soil.
At that age, I was a student still and my only interest in flowers was that boyfriends knew my favourite beauties were orchids, so come birthdays and Valentine's they didn't get the wrong stuff!Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 23
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
I don't think that it is just gardening programs that suffer from being dumbed down with the idea that the audience has the concentration span of a gnat. I watched Return to Castaway last night, I thoroughly enjoyed the original Castaway series (the one where about 35 people set up a community on a remote Scottish island). Last night was a catch-up on what had happened to some of the original Castaway community 8 years on. As usual what was for me a very interesting program was spoilt with the filming and production techniques. For instance instead of just saying that one of them had returned to his office job but had also travelled around the world and was setting up a charity to help a Moroccan(?) community, they had to do it with various bits of cliched music to illustrate every point. 9 til 5 (when the audience was teased that a Castaway was made out to be just a boring office worker) then later in the program revealed to have done so much more! Why couldn't they have just done a straight forward interview and allowed the man to tell his own story?! It's like saying these people aren't interesting enough in themselves we have to put a load of rings and bells on in order to keep the audiences attention.
My point is that GW and many other programs are the same. Nothing can be done without throwing in some "jokey bits", some "extra padding" the program doesn't need, some "will they - won't they tension raising the excitement (not)", some trailer for what will happen later in the program, some unnecessary and pointless camera shots as fillers,
some snatches of music to match the piece.
Why do producers of these programs not believe that an audience can cope with some straight forward presenting and filming. Or are they the ones that are bored and feel the need to play about with everything because actually they don't find plants and gardens that interesting!Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 24
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
You're right. It's happening across the board now. I can sort of understand it on commercial TV where they want you to watch the rest of the programme after the ads but on the Beeb I expect to sit and watch a programme from start to finish without needing titivators, bells or whistles to keep me interested.
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Message 25
Posted by Sparky (U6716422) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
You are all right. When I was involved in the 'Open Gardens' filming, the crews were determined to create some 'jeopardy' as they called it, which is why they made the County Organisers into such ogres.
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Message 26
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
The ultimate was a headline on the 麻豆官网首页入口 News web page the other day... 'New creepie-crawly found in garden'
I mean REALLY! Does the 麻豆官网首页入口 think we are a pre-school nursery group? What's wrong with calling it an 'insect' for god's sake?
I'm constantly noticing this patronizing baby language used on what used to be the world's premier broadcasting service and I despair.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 27
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
Ha ha ha! I can't wait for the day when Joe gets bunnywunnys on his allotment!
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Message 28
Posted by kath74 (U8999103) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
interesting program was spoilt with the filming and production techniques听
Venus, you've expressed exactly my thoughts about Return to Castaway.
It was on BB2 at 7.30pm, why was there a need to "jazz it up" for that slot? The characters were interesting enough.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 29
Posted by nanaanna (U9512847) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
As it is Joe has become a joke and his advice can't be trusted which is a pity because when presenting Chelsea with AT or his series of Front Gardens he does well talking about garden design. 听
Exactly!!!!! Joe is a garden designer, not a gardener.
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Message 30
Posted by nanaanna (U9512847) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
Most 18-25s wouldn't want a garden to grow things in, they'd want a 'booze and barbie' garden. GW is not the place for them.
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Although this may be true of some or even many of this particular age group I really don't think we should do the usual & treat them all as if they are the same & write them off as complete non-gardeners. Firstly it is probably offensive to those young people who ARE interested in gardening of whom there are many & we SHOULD be encouraging them to take an interest & grow 'stuff' in gardens, allotments, windowboxes or whatever. A little encouragement could go a long way!听
Beejay,I didn't say all, I said most. I wasn't being offensive,just realistic. How many gardeners do you know in that age bracket? They're lucky if they can afford to get their own garden.
And as for watching GW I think they'd sooner be watching 'Big Brother'.
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Message 31
Posted by londongreen (U11380141) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
Thanks for your response Ken. This has been an interesting discussion.I would still say that Joe's plot is his own. It has been more portrayed as a 'video diary' of his plot rather than an opportunity to teach new allotment holders.
I am in that category when I consider myself a gardener but have never had a garden of my own. I grew up with a large family garden and learnt everything from my mother. After 15 years of only having a balcony I will soon be moving to my first house with proper garden. I would consider my gardening knowledge to be pretty good but my practical skills are lacking due to limited opportunity. GW is in a difficult position where it wants to encourage new people to gardening but also provide enough specialist knowledge for experienced gardeners. Very difficult to satisfy both. My only problem with GW is that it is too much of a 'magazine' show with little depth to any of its features.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 32
Posted by Kathy (U898169) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
It is easy to say you can grow stuff in windowboxes, etc, when you have a huge garden. But if windowboxes are all you have room for then it would be very frustrating if you were a passionate gardener or wanted to grow more than a few meals a year for yourself.
I live with my parents and they let me do whetever I want in the garden so I'm okay, but I can see why few people my age are into gardening. But there are some people my age interested, I just don't know any unfortuately! And there are a lot interested in wildlife and the environment, which is kinda related.
To be honest I think it must be very difficult to do a programme like Gardeners' World. They've got to do the same stuff every year, cover all different areas of gardening, be interesting enough that you'd watch rather than just look things up in a book or on the internet and there's limited new stuff every year. And if they do concentrate too much on new plants or styles they risk looking like fashion victims and doing ridiculous things and ripping them out the next year.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 33
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Wednesday, 30th July 2008
Kathy - we expect some repetition in GW and, for the sake of beginners, we expect clear photography and full explanations of various tasks such as sowing, pricking out, currings and so on.
We also expect seasonal and topical information on jobs, plants, pruning, pests, new introductions, new research about improving methods and products and plants as well as topical visits to good gardens and nurseries as well as ideas on tackling particular problem area and how to stake, protect, display and care for our plants and gardens without having to spend a fortune.
This series of GW has, all too often, had a "bright idea", invested huge amounts of time and money on plants and objects to fulfill it and then just ripped it out a season or two later or else failed to follow up so we can see how it's getting on - Rachel's garden which became a green garden but hasn't been followed up lately; the long borders which were planted, pulled up, re-dug and replanted with those awful and expensive obelisks and which we haven't seen much of since; Carol's seeds and cuttings garden has been taken apart to become a sensory garden; the nectar bar; the slug trials, the conifer bed, the stumpery, the "new" shrubbery with grasses, the formal pond, the alpine garden, the fruit cage, the container garden, the shade garden.......and that travesty of a jungle garden and the Joke allotment.
It's all too bitty and superficial and gives the impression there's no long term plan or strategy. It isn't a question of too many presenters or even the wrong presenters. Beechgrove has more yet remains coherent. The main problem is with direction and production which has in recent years so devalued a great programme that people are turning off in droves. I fail to see how they expect to gain and hold the attention of younger gardeners if the increasingly banal content and shallow production values cannot keep the regular audience with its various levels of skill and knowledge.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 34
Posted by rainonroses (U10426712) on Tuesday, 29th July 2008
I don't think there's any problem with Joe having beds any shape he wants - you should see some of my rectangles which became segments as I dug, then got corners chopped off. It just seems to me to illustrate how the programme feels the need to strain after the new, fashionable, individualistic, whacky, crazy, non-conformist etc etc when it doesn't need to. On our allotments everyone's plot ends up totally different without any conscious effort; even among the string and straight line boys, no two are remotely alike. No one's tried to be self-consciously "different" - it just happens naturally. I felt there should be more emphasis on just growing stuff and less on looking over your shoulder to see how it looks and if you're up with the latest trend, whatever that may be.
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Message 35
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Wednesday, 30th July 2008
I'm more concerned with the lack of sound culivation advice on Joke's allotment than I am with the shape of his beds.
Geoff Hamilton did a whole series on growing veg and herbs mixed in pockets in with the ornamental garden as it helps maximise crops and reduce pests so clearly linear rows are not essential. My old fruit and veg patch in Harrow didn't have a right angle anywhere as it was placed between existing bendy paths in the sunniest end of the garden and the crops never noticed they weren't regimented.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 36
Posted by albaalastair (U12623776) on Wednesday, 30th July 2008
Obelixx,
I agree with you, there does have to be some repetition in the programme - and most people would have no problem with that. We are never too experinced to learn the same tricks again!!
As you say we do need a programme that gives us topical information and that can be counted on to be aired during the growing season.
As you say the Beechgrove Garden, not only has more presenters, it has practical advice and manages to be televised thoughout spring, summer and autumn. If it can be achieved by 麻豆官网首页入口 Scotland, why cannot it be achieved elsewhere within the same organisation.
We all care for the programme and want to see it improve - for the sake of not just our own enjoyment but for the sake of new gardeners who need a programme that will entertain and inform.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 37
Posted by keanegardener (U2963540) on Thursday, 31st July 2008
Do come in from your allotment and write a few lines to us now and then Rainroses!
I was beginning to think that my love for gardening and my garden in particular was founded on a fad because I couldnt watch GW any more. at least was not as eager as I used to be.
When something like this happens to me I think....maybe its because of my age?....maybe Im becoming narrow in my thinking?.....maybe I'm getting past it?
It is not!......It's because the programme is dumbed down to suit some low common denominator such as......." lets make programmes that just anyone can produce and lets have them cover the subject with such a wide brush that just everyone will get some morsel from it...( and then my employers will be very impressed with me as an employee !!!)
It is just reaching tabloid-culture values and I'm sick at heart ( and that is not an age thing!)Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 38
Posted by judimac (U2467704) on Thursday, 31st July 2008
For those of you who are dismayed at GW, you can have the delight of watching The Beechgrove Garden on the 麻豆官网首页入口 ipod thingy. It's bliss!
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Message 39
Posted by judimac (U2467704) on Thursday, 31st July 2008
Sorry that should be iplayer!
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Message 40
Posted by Helen May (U1633128) on Thursday, 31st July 2008
I'm sure Terry Walton (Jeremy Vine's allotment and Big Dig fame) would have jumped at the chance to participate with GW. He's a lovely chap, I've had the pleasure of being at the allotment, and good at explaining things which is what's needed.
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Message 41
Posted by U12811300 (U12811300) on Thursday, 31st July 2008
the die has been cast I see GW being canceled in near future.
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Message 42
Posted by Nooj (U3233455) on Thursday, 31st July 2008
Nostradamus?
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Message 43
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Thursday, 31st July 2008
The biggest problem to me is the uncertainty about whether the programme is on or not. These frequent long breaks have got me out of the 8pm Friday habit which was for years my only sacrosant TV spot. Since I watch very little TV and never sit in front of it casually, I now catch GW more by accident than intention.
If I could wish for one thing it would be certainty of scheduling.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 44
Posted by U12811300 (U12811300) on Thursday, 31st July 2008
Nooj nope. There is just a large grey animal in room that most people do not happen to see.
The best way to get a show canceled is to degrade the quality to such a low level people stop watching. Sound familiar. Thought so. GW is on way out everything points to this fact.
Really, do really think a bunch telly program makers so stupid to make so many obvious detractive elements over such short period of time!Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 45
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
This large grey animal... does it have enormous ears, nasty beady eyes and smells a bit suspect? It wouldn't be a gridiphant would it?
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Message 46
Posted by Holly-Ivy-Mistletoe (U11766447) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Obilixx
Well done you said it all, nothing to add to it, because I agree with youLink to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 47
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Tuesday, 5th August 2008
You may be right, Sassymesclunsalad. After all, the 麻豆官网首页入口 has the Ofcom fine to pay.
I don't imagine that the bright sparks who caused the problem are going to pay out of their own pockets. Of course, it will be taken out of our licence fees, so our programmes will have to suffer, again.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 48
Posted by janerowena (U10782401) on Wednesday, 6th August 2008
I saw this and I thought of you.
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They are grown in acrylic boxes.Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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Message 49
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Wednesday, 6th August 2008
Encouraged by your comments, Web, and everyone else's admiration for Geoff Hamilton's gardening skills (alas, at the time of his reign I wasn't at all into gaedening), I ordered his "Gardening Year".
I hope it will make a more committed gardener out of me!Link to this forum: You may all be wasting your time and energy
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