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Gardeners World 1st August
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Message 1.Â
Posted by welshcol (U2301689) on Friday, 1st August 2008
Wow!!! Like revisiting an old friend.
Thoroughly enjoyed this evenings "special".
Relaxing, informative, no impression of rush, no silly camera work and a bit like GW used to be which is no small compliment.
I even enjoyed the Carol and Joe contributions which is no small compliment.
Alys again shone through and is Toby Buckland the new Monty??
Congrats to those concerned.
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Message 2
Posted by malanD (U7337386) on Friday, 1st August 2008
Yes, I liked it too.
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Message 3
Posted by Gardenballet (U4233452) on Friday, 1st August 2008
Yes, well done!
A wonderful programme. Full of interesting tips, lovely gardens - a relaxing 'feel-good' programme. Everyone seemed to gel and all presenters seemed relaxed.
Especially enjoyed seeing Alys' and Carol's own gardens.
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Message 4
Posted by nanaanna (U9512847) on Friday, 1st August 2008
Didn't set the video so I'll catch it on iPlayer.
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Message 5
Posted by pinktequila (U2803141) on Friday, 1st August 2008
No silly camera work! I thought the out of focus and shots behind flowers and from the ground were a bit silly ... I did enjoy it on the whole though. Likes Alys's garden.
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Message 6
Posted by Toadspawn (U2334298) on Friday, 1st August 2008
We must have been watching different programmes. It was not particularly enspiring.
Tony Bucklands' garden was a waste of space. He must have spent a fortune on plants. It would be a pity if he became a permanent feature on GW.
I have never been very impressed with Alys.
The garden visits did not really show much of the gardens but the ability of the cameraman.
I do hope no one picked up on Joe saying he was going to leave the Lily bulbs in overwinter because the garden was quite sheltered. They should not be lifted and stored because that will result in certain death as they will dry out and shrivel. In fact they are very hardy and will survive quite severe frosts, suffering only when it is too wet. -
Message 7
Posted by mummyduckegg (U8437139) on Friday, 1st August 2008
I really liked tonight's prog, just wondered if anyone picked up on Tony Buckland's last comment ... "This is the sign of something new ... something good..."
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Message 8
Posted by lunicorn (U12603465) on Friday, 1st August 2008
I have left my recording on so I can watch some of it again.First time I have done that in a long time.Loved the woodland bit and found the whole programme was almost up to the old standard . And im sure It was better for new gardeners more close ups of places to prune up to etc instead of a quick flash.Well done at last please keep it up Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú.
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Message 9
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Tony Buckland seems like a nice enough guy - though I wasn't entirely convinced by his bench - it would have taken much more fiddling about than that to make it flat on top! But he's in touch with the natural side of horticulture and is likeable so he fits in.
More entertaining was James Alexander Sinclair who came across as a real hoot and ever so slightly barking. I saw hints of Rik Mayall, my OH thought John Redwood and then we got it - Alan B'Stard..... -
Message 10
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
I very much enjoyed the visit to James A-S' garden. He explained it well and is so very eloquent and funny when describing plants that I expect he could make a chick weed interesting. The other garden visits were also interesting but far less entertaining and inspiring.
I don't see why they had to split up Toby Buckland's piece. He chose some good plants - expensive all in one go? - but I wonder how that glade will knit into its surroundings.
Joe in the courtyard - did he not already hack the wotsits off that poor rose last year? I did spot the lily gaff. They do well in the ground even here except I've turfed them all out to get rid of the pesky lily beetles which migrated to my precious snakes head frits.
I still think teh camera work needs improving - closer shots in focus of plants and jobs please. Forget the arty long shots through flowers and from funny angles.
Lastly - why was so much time wasted just watching presenter moving round the garden. we only get an hour. let it be crammed with plants and info and news and techniques and not wasted thus. -
Message 11
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
There is definitely something lacking in this programme. It just doesn't work any more for me. I find Carol just about unwatchable (can she not just deliver one sentence without wetting herself), and Joe's allotment party was no more than yet another excuse to get his greater family involved. It's a sign of the times when I think Alys (really, really) is the watchable element of the programme. I smiled when she worried she was turning into her mother. Unlike others, I dislike the self-promoting prat in the silly hat (perhaps it's just a Scottish thing), and didn't really get into the 'woodland' garden (little gardening endeavour, and a lot of potted plants and materials shipped in).
Where the Beechgrove currently scores, is that they have the curmudgeonly Jim who is not afraid of saying what he does and doesn't like, and the endearing 'gels' who are mostly dealing with matters which affect normal humble gardeners. The two main female presenters are English, so it's not that I'm being parochial about it. Much more time is devoted to the many problems we all face. According to Carol, everything in the garden is just 'loovely' (punches air), and this is simply not the way things are for most people. Last night's effort was top-loaded with 'designer' chappies, and this left me cold. It was bitsy and lacked continuity. It was a programme that looked like it had been produced by committee. I wasn't at all disappointed when it ended. -
Message 12
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
I agree with you both about James Alexander Sinclair... I loved his garden and he'd be a welcome regular on GW. Such a nice change to see a gardener who is not afraid to 'play' with planting schemes and doesn't take himself too seriously — that said, his garden was seriously lovely.
In two minds about Tony Buckland... doesn't inspire me the way Monty used to, but I suppose he'd be alright (ish). -
Message 13
Posted by Sussexgardener (U12826249) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
What was the name of the tomato variety that Joe has planted in a container? Very big plant, very big trusses of small tomatos. I liked the look of it.
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Message 14
Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
I really loved seeing Aly's garden, she is such an interesting character, they just don't do enough with her.
The only thing that really annoyed me was Toby saying he didn't believe in planting things in threes and fives, but that is exactly what they showed him doing in the garden he was making with the plum pudding heuchera's .....
Besides all the dodgy camera techniques the real thing that doesn't seem to work anymore is Berryfields. Even Alys admitted it was all focused towards filming rather than gardeing... -
Message 15
Posted by edenKA (U12826176) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
I thought the slug tip with the upturned flower pots was excellent and really enjoyed seeing everyone's gardens. As a novice I found this very exciting.
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Message 16
Posted by Pip (U2800217) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
I liked Toby Buckland, too, though that woodland garden looked a bit out of scale. I had to smile when he poked that little twig in beside the honeysuckle. I didn't catch the name but it looked just like my 'Graham Stuart Thomas', if so, far from needing a helping hand to reach the undergrowth behind it will have devoured that twig and engulfed the whole wilderness by the time Toby got back down the path!
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Message 17
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
I agree with Obs - I actually woke up at one point and thought I was watching a repeat as I have seen that exact same sketch in the courtyard garden hacking the wotsits off the rose last year.
I enjoyed the JAS garden visit but it didn't show enough of it. I enjoyed Alys garden too and kicked myself for having thrown out some of those wine crates which she was using to grow plants in!! I KNEW I should have kept them!
Toby Buckland - Totally Boring
Joe and family. There was nothing about gardening in this piece and it seemed like one of those little films promoting how we should all live "Get an allotment and you and your family will have lots of friends and live happily ever after" that is assuming the whole thing isn't smashed up by yobs and all your veg stolen.
The long borders at Berryfields looked a mess. -
Message 18
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Ken, I really have to disagree with you re Carol - if anything I thought she was surprisingly low key. Dog tired after Tatton and flitting back and to between Devon and the Midlands, I would guess.
And as ever, she always offers excellent propagation tips. Root cuttings are usually recommended as a winter thing. But why, when the young plant can get established before winter and reduce the risk of rotting off? Best to start now as she says. Same with division - gets them established before winter and gains a season, especially for plants that have already done their thing for this year. -
Message 19
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Oh - and hello Johnny if you're reading! He's a former GOTY contestant and Radio Northampton presenter - Bob (GT) and I did a live interview with him from Tatton Show on Saturday morning. His garden is fascinating by the looks of it. Some really interesting plants - though I'm not sure I got the queenly bust bit, that went right over my head.
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Message 20
Posted by Jevelyn (U1696159) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Please could somebody help me identify the plant Joe Swift mentioned first in his item on courtyard planting last night (August 1st). It had white flowers and he said it had a delicious scent. He mentioned lilium and impatiens, but his reference to this one was inaudible: it sounded something like 'lamisia' (but that's obviously not right!)It seemed like just the plant I'm looking for so I'm frustrated.
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Message 21
Posted by Pip (U2800217) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
was it nemesia?
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Message 22
Posted by Lottie (U2331125) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
It was a Nemesia Jevelyn but I didn't catch the variety..sorry!
I didn't enjoy much of the show last night, JAS's garden was very good and I too would like to see more of him and it. I found the whole thing bitty and if I blinked at the wrong time it was off to a totally different subject and I just ended up confused. Also I would much rather have seen the Toby woodland garden section all at once.
I won't bother to rush home from work next week to watch it.
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Message 23
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Nemesia.
Forgot to mention I thought the allotment bit was a waste of time for anyone actually trying to grow veg and feed a family. They can do "lifestyle" in other programmes can't they? It is surely understood that GW is for people keen to know how, when and what to grow and care for their plants and gardens.
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Message 24
Posted by Lottie (U2331125) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
It's Nemesia Amelie but I can't find a supplier or there is another one called Vanilla Mist
Will keep an eye out in case someone has seeds.
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Message 25
Posted by daisydays (U11382613) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Does anyone know if it is possible to fast-forward on i-player? I can't seem to do this. I got half way through watching GW, then answered the phone, and by the time I came back, the PC had plogged me off. My only option seemed to be to start all over again. Help!!!
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Message 26
Posted by Seacarrot (U3012141) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
For the 1st time in years i got so bored i switched off and went and did something else.
Hope its not the same next week.
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Message 27
Posted by nanaanna (U9512847) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Does anyone know if it is possible to fast-forward on i-player? I can't seem to do this. I got half way through watching GW, then answered the phone, and by the time I came back, the PC had plogged me off. My only option seemed to be to start all over again. Help!!!Â
Click onto the line underneath the screen(where you can see the little thing moving) and move it on or back to where you want it.Sorry not very clear.
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Message 28
Posted by daisydays (U11382613) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Thanks Nana, I knew it must be possible.
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Message 29
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
though I'm not sure I got the queenly bust bit, that went right over my headÂ
Oh I think I got it... just his little joke
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Message 30
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
Have just got back from Salcombe to find I have missed Gardeners World and Iplayer isn't showing it either,HAahmmmmmmmmmm!
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Message 31
Posted by U12811300 (U12811300) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
I agree gw was another miss.
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Message 32
Posted by Madonplants (U5524817) on Saturday, 2nd August 2008
paperwhite, it's repeated tomorrow, Sunday, at 12 on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú2.
Regarding the programme, except for Carol's root cuttings, I think it was the worst one I have seen and that is about thirty odd years. It seemed too bitty, no real flow to it. Why could they not show all of TOBY, not Tony, Buckland's bit all the way through? To keep us watching I suppose, like all programmes do.
Come on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú, it's not rocket science!! -
Message 33
Posted by daisyglen (U10713570) on Sunday, 3rd August 2008
I too am getting bored with GW, we need more instruction although I am know great fan of Alys she did show us beginners how to plant seeds and move them on when they got bigger, it seems that GW assume that all watchers know what they are doing not so! and why are many of the plants we see on TV not available at local nurseries? why are all the gardens we see down south? my garden looks nothing like carol's even though I like all the plants she has. Please come up north or even go to beginners gardens and do some instructing [is that a word]Bring back Alan Titmarsh thats all I can say.
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Message 34
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Sunday, 3rd August 2008
Ken, I really have to disagree with you re Carol - if anything I thought she was surprisingly low key.Â
Trillium, I'm afraid it's just her delivery these days. She can't deliver a sentence without the pretense of suppressing false laughter. This is to convey her girly 'passion' to the audience, and is always supplemented by a succession of exaggerated air punches. I am currently revisiting DVD's of 'The Victorian Kitchen Garden', and am again struck by the quiet authority of the two main presenters. I find that this is far more enjoyable (and educational) than anything that GW has to offer currently - though it may be thought slow-paced by some. It's not possible to doubt the passion of these two people, and they never have to resort to anything approaching hyperbole. I'm almost laughing like Carol when I compare in my mind poor Joes allotment, with the vegetable garden of the old professional, Harry Dodson. I'm afraid I just can't suffer gimmickry (which is why I also find Sinclair an insufferable fop), and long for the day when Gardeners' World is introduced once again by a proper Gardener, and not a wannabe celebrity with fingers in every conceivable pie (or pot). I would emphasise that I have never doubted Carol Klein's abilities, but as I've said many times before, many people on this board (your self included) have just as much knowledge, and could plan a better gardening year for viewers than the current lot. I actually thought that the best garden I saw this week on the programme, was the one belonging to a radio DJ somewhere - I thought it really had something. Ken. -
Message 35
Posted by ezageeza (U11292630) on Sunday, 3rd August 2008
Nemesia
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Message 36
Posted by rainonroses (U10426712) on Monday, 4th August 2008
I quite enjoyed the programme in a pick-and-mix kind of way,although Joe's allotment has now soared above the realm of fantasy into the dizzy heights of the surreal. Potato juggling? Children's races? Prizes for half a fennel bulb? How do they afford the marquee and the rosettes on top of the acreages of bark chip and weed suppressing membrane and wood? Deeply strange.
Anyway, I digress. Seems to me the GW people are in a bit of a dilemma. Either they go for one strong lead presenter who is allowed to dictate the focus and direction of the programme, as in the days of Monty, with the result that some people love it and some people hate it; or they go for lots of little bits and different angles and hope that in each programme they manage to please everybody at least some of the time. that's what Friday's edition felt like, a sort of rolling audition. Don't like Alys? Then try Toby, or perhaps the Man With The Hat - who I have to say I enjoyed, especially his use of descriptive language, which reminded me a bit of Monty's flights of fancy, but which I can see some people might loathe.
Not sure which I would prefer - I loved GW in Monty's time because I agreed with him and liked his approach to gardening but if they had gone with Joe's approach, I would probably have switched off; others no doubt feel the opposite. That is GW's dilemma -I just wish they'd make a decision one way or the other and give up dithering. -
Message 37
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Monday, 4th August 2008
I loved Friday’s programme I suspect because I like poking my nose into other people’s gardens. James Alexander Sinclair’s infectious enthusiasm was superb and his garden beautifully crafted. I loved Alys’s garden, a typical size most of us can relate to, a box of floriforous confectionary achieved without vast cash injections into hard landscaping and bespoke furniture – a real reflection of its owner. The radio presenter’s secret haven with the tunnel of roses and clematis – believe me I was there, standing in his shoes at the top of the turning staircase, glass of wine in hand, drinking in the beauty….
I think Joe and Carole’s dual presenting worked surprisingly well and reminded me of Beechgrove garden where they have up to four presenters, Blue Peter style, guiding us through the programme.
The lowest point for me like a few others here was the allotment segment. It worked as an advertisement for the social benefits allotmenteering can bestow and the copious produce that can be the result of weeks of back breaking toil but nothing on how to get to this point. Just a bit of a wasted opportunity.
The long borders – failed for me as there was an abundance of detail on orange Dahlias, purple foliage and Kniphofias but I didn’t understand how they associated with the rest of the section of border they were in or indeed how this in turn related to the border as a whole. Same problem with the Veronicastrum. Prolonged distance shots of the long borders with guided explanations and a gradual sweep along their length, as they were supposed to be at their best, would have solved the problem for me.
However, all in all a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to seeing Cleve West's garden next week. -
Message 38
Posted by everhopeful (U11289037) on Monday, 4th August 2008
Cleve West oh now you are talking
He wld be great even if he just stood there I wld watch.
I liked last weeks prog, wish they wldnt overdo the allotment bit tho, altho I dont really dislike Joe, he is a nice enough bloke -
Message 39
Posted by royalgreen (U2373730) on Monday, 4th August 2008
Big improvement, possibly because Buckland is making such an excellent job of his time on GW... Thought that for the first time since Monty stepped down that the programme has a interesting balance.
Watchable and enthusing! -
Message 40
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Monday, 4th August 2008
It took me all weekend to get through it, I'm finding it hard to stay awake till the end these days...
I don't find Toby inspiring at all. They're all nice but nice doesn't do it for me. You couldn't call Geoff Hamilton a sparkling personality but he had something else - authority and understated enthusiasm.
AT made me laugh and so did James the Hat. Joe makes me laugh but not in a good way. And I do like him!
Could anyone get enthusiastic about Berryfields though? I thought the long borders looked very dull. We've been waiting for years to see them "at their best" and if that was it...
As others have said, I don't need to see a sequence cut up into palatable bites - I want gulps and not nibbles! -
Message 41
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Monday, 4th August 2008
I thought Toby Buckland was rather wheezy. Sounded like a few fags too many or perhaps a garden allergy or maybe he just needs to get a bit fitter.
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Message 42
Posted by Sparky (U6716422) on Monday, 4th August 2008
As I've said on another thread - I noticed that in the latest GW Mag. they have said that they will reveal the new GW presenter in next month's issue. What do we think? Who's your dream team? Mine would include Dan Pearson and Helen Yemm with guest spots.
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Message 43
Posted by speckies (U12605403) on Monday, 4th August 2008
Loving the i-player. Yesterday I got to watch GW, whizzing past the allotment bit, immediately followed by the BRILLIANT Beechgrove Garden. Haven't seen it before, will definitely watch again. Just a pity it's not shown nationally.
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Message 44
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 4th August 2008
Sparky, of all the drop-in presenters we have seen, I do hope it's Andy Sturgeon. By far the best.
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Message 45
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Tuesday, 5th August 2008
Trillium, Andy Sturgeon mentioned on the Chelsea coverage that he thought he'd give it a rest next year ......?
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Message 46
Posted by U8969255 (U8969255) on Tuesday, 5th August 2008
What was the name of the tomato variety that Joe has planted in a container? Very big plant, very big trusses of small tomatos. I liked the look of it. Â
It was a Centiflor type called Millefleur. Loads of fruit, but flavour just okay. -
Message 47
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Tuesday, 5th August 2008
Re Andy Sturgeon - one problem is that he is primarily known for his garden design skills and that role at GW is already occupied by Joe. And Andy is actually better established in the public eye as a designer than Joe, as it happens. So how would that dynamic work then?
Toby is probably the compromise candidate - or perhaps they've been keeping the real one under wraps, away of speculative eyes? -
Message 48
Posted by miscanthusjo (U12843550) on Tuesday, 5th August 2008
Hi, I expect you have had an answer by now but the white plant Joe had was, I think by looking at it, a nemesia, BUT I am deaf and my subtitles said something like 'Manisia' so perhaps you were as confused as I.
I do wish they would put the plant names on for longer!
Like most, I loved this weeks GW. -
Message 49
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Tuesday, 5th August 2008
There are quite a few things, Miscantusjo, that end up irritating me when watching tv, but those cretinous subtitles get me quite incandescent.
And when I think that these people get actually paid out of my obligatory licence fee, my thoughts, words and feelings could not be communicated! -
Message 50
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Thursday, 7th August 2008
Ken Smart get's my vote for the next GW presenter. I don't always agree with what he says on here but he's amusing and often talks a lot of sense. 'Quiet authority, understated enthusiasm' - yes, that's exactly what we need. Lets get away from this garish, showbusy format.
We got back from our hols in Austria last night so I watched GW on iPlayer this morning. I quite liked much of the program. The gardener's gardens were very interesting. Must earn lots and lots to buy wine in wine boxes. The Poppy root cuttings was interesting - must try that. I like the courage of the Man with the Hat when he said that lawns are boring. Alleluyah, I agree - OK, I mow lawns for a bit of pocket money. Lawns should be PART of a garden not 99% of it, which often seems the case. I thought Alys's garden and the radio chappy's garden were truly excellent, and in some ways like mine. Lots of jungly clutter.
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