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Joe on the Allotment
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Message 1.Â
Posted by mayflower11 (U12044546) on Friday, 19th September 2008
Can someone please explain to Joe the difference between Hay and Straw!
As it was hay not straw he was putting under his Pumpkin. -
Message 2
Posted by malanD (U7337386) on Friday, 19th September 2008
No point explaining anything to Joe, he thinks he knows it all so doesn't bother to listen to anyone.
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Message 3
Posted by pjgolf (U2469936) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
2 things,
Does it really matter what Joe puts under his pumpkin ?
I`m pretty sure you wouldn`t have mentioned this unless you had a previous dislike of him.
"He thinks he knows it all"
Do you know him well enough to know what he thinks ?
These boards used to be such a nice place !
I just wish the backbiting would stop. We all love gardening after all. -
Message 4
Posted by pinktequila (U2803141) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
Nothing to do with backbiting. I like Joe. He said he was putting straw under his pumpkins. He was putting hay. Hay will not work. I am sure if someone said they were planting daffodils and they were bluebells we wouldn't be told it didn't matter and we only noticed because of a previous dislike. What is the point in these boards if we cannot notice mistakes or make comment.
It does matter what Joe puts under his pumpkin because we are surely to assume that this being Gardener's World then then the gardeners on the programme would get things right as the nation has a tendancy to copy. If he want to put animal feed under his pumpkin and not film it then no it doesn't matter but I watched it as an informed article because it was filmed. -
Message 5
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
If the idea is to protect his pumpkin from damp and rot then yes, it does matter and hay is a poor subsitute for straw. I don't think it's being unnecessarily aggressive or unpleasant tp point this out for the benefit of novices who might decide to try it.
Having said that, yes, sometimes the tone of criticism on these boards does get personal and vitriolic but the Joe we see on his allotment has only himself to blame. He's been arrogant and know-it-all since the start and has failed to impart any useful advice and quite a lot of bad.
His allotment has been a missed opportunity to show us best practice and tips for getting started and keeping going through all the clearing and preparing and sowing, tending and harvesting that every other new plot holder has to learn to do. -
Message 6
Posted by MsSeahorse (U11657392) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
Joe aside, I thought you were supposed to put tiles or boards under pumpkins? This is important as I'll be growing them for the first time next year. Raising them off the ground is what I've read is important...not that I know anything.
Now, to Joe. He has become a little bolshy and defensive. But wouldn't you if you had the nation's vitriol directed at you, with a sense that everyone is waiting for you to trip up? It's why he is so triumphant when something goes right. That said, it does make for tedious viewing. Perhaps give the allotment to a family next year, people who actually have time to give it full attention? Joe could still be the anchor man...just a thought. -
Message 7
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
Joe has earned the nation's vitriol all by himself so I'd rather see his allotment slot dropped in favour of someone, or some group, that knows what they're doing. A regular visit to the Welsh chappy from Jeremy Vine's programme would be good and there would be plenty of charachters on taht site growing different crops in their own way for us to learn new tips and ideas.
Straw, bricks, whatever depends on just how wet your allotment is. My pumpkins are grown on raised beds so straw would do although I have spare bricks easily to hand for the ones I don't have growing up wire mesh trellis where they get more sun for ripening. -
Message 8
Posted by bloodfishandmoan (U7103706) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
pumpkins aside, what really got me was when Joe decided to chuck the tomatoes on the fire... seriously, I can understand burning the plant, but the tomatoes... maybe if he threw some petrol on too it would do the trick
BFM
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Message 9
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
Until the fiasco with the allotment this year Joe had earned my respect. I have been watching programes I had previously recorded and I must give Joe his due, in previous years he sounded and looked as though he knew what he was doing and talking about, I liked that, I believe he does know about gardening. It's those 'blessed' producers who have turned us against him this year, perhaps their way of either hoping he will get fed up and leave or having convinced the nation he is a bafoon they will find it easier to say 'good bye' at the end of the season.
Shame on the producers yet again! -
Message 10
Posted by paperwhite (U6380063) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
P.S. Joe having gone along with this stupid idea has done nothing for his future in gardening and niether have the producers allowing this to happen to him. Time to rectify dont you think!
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Message 11
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
I very much enjoyed the series of front garden design programmes he presented, though not as much as the one with James Alexander Sinclair who has such a wonderful way with words as well as knowing about plants and design. I have also enjoyed Joe's contributions to the Chelsea Flower Show coverage when he has been discussing design. This is Joe in his element and doing well.
However, I seriously disliked his small, supposedly low maintenance garden at Berryfields and thought his planting techniques a bit slap happy and hazardous. When he was given the container veggie garden he was clearly out of his comfort zone and I haven't liked most of what he's done in the courtyard garden except for the excellent session on pruning the Guinée climbing rose.
The way this allotment feature has been tackled from the start has been extremely disappointing in every way with no intelligent guidance for anyone else taking on a new allotment or trying to revitalise an old one. We should have been shown how to clear the ground thoroughly and in stages if necessary, how to prepare it for the various crops and rotations, how and when to sow seed and prick or plant out seedlings, how to protect crops from pests and diseases, when to harvest, how to store and what new crops can go in to keep the soil working as long as possible through the year.
Instead we've had a farce and Joe has become a laughing stock. Such a pity. -
Message 12
Posted by Boofer (U3709461) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
Going back to message 7 - Obelixx - the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú filmed what was proving to be a very watchable series on allotments which included Terry Walton from the Jeremy Vine show. Unfortunately it was shown during the day rather than in the evening and was dropped due to poor viewing figures.
If GW do want to do allotments with any seriousness TW would be an ideal candidate.
Maybe Toby will take over the veg next year. -
Message 13
Posted by mayflower11 (U12044546) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
As a new alloyment holder this year, I was looking forward to the Allotment theme on G.W.
I have however been very disappionted with the coverage, and I think Obelixx has hit the nail on the head, as to how the allotment should of been approached. I was hoping to pick up loads of tips, and learn how to deal with the pests etc Organic or not. My knowledge has come from reading and my fellow allotmenters. We look upto Joe to Guide us in the right direction If he is not able to do this and wants to appear as the complete novice on the Allotment venture, then they should have veg growers on the allotment showing Joe how to do these jobs. I blame the prodution team for miss leading the viewers. But if Joe is going to show us how to tackle a Job, I do just wish he would do his home work. -
Message 14
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Saturday, 20th September 2008
Hi Boofer. I did see some of the Big Dig programmes when they were first shown and agree about the stupid timing - mid afternoon when most allotmenteers are on their plots or doing the school run and not watching TV.
The Welsh site had beginners and old hands all helping out with advice, plants and physical assistance. I also enjoyed some of the characters on the London plots, especially the biodynamic architect lady. Any of these people would have been better and more informative and inspriing than Joe's efforts. -
Message 15
Posted by Boofer (U3709461) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
Big Dig - that was it. I remember it generated a lot of discussion on the messageboards.
Given the popularity of veg growing the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú should give it another airing - at a sensible time and in it's entirety.
I gave up with Joe when he rotovated his couch grass!! -
Message 16
Posted by Helen May (U1633128) on Sunday, 21st September 2008
They did re-show the Big Dig on a Sunday morning about 2 years ago and it was worth watching.
Terry Walton would be a great person to have on the allotment part of Gardener's World.
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Message 17
Posted by pjgolf (U2469936) on Monday, 22nd September 2008
The big dig was repeated on UKTV gardens a few months ago.
They just show repeats so I would imagine they will be showing it again.
You gotta have digital though so it`s a shame not everybody will be able to see it. -
Message 18
Posted by 1stClassAlan (U2459016) on Monday, 22nd September 2008
I've grown pumpkins to over two old fashioned hundredweights and 50 pound marrows - in my humble opinion it doesn't matter what you put underneath one so long as it supports the fruit properly while still letting it swell.
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