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Posted by Lonicera (U12312494) on Friday, 26th September 2008
Hello All,
I thought I'd start the Gardeners' World thread for this week by posting a link to the preview clip.
Pop back after the show to share your views. Don't forget you can always post comments on the blog...
Hope you enjoy the programme.
Lx
Brilliant, I've lost count of the numbers of people that I've tried to tell how to put up their greenhouses. If he also stipulates getting the base absolutely flat, I shall be happy.
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Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 26th September 2008
I bet you still get three more threads started
Sounds and looks like a good one.
I have been looking forward to tonight's programe since driving to work this morning,the thought helped me get through the day.
Thanks for the links, Lonicera.
I do sense a desire by the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú to encourage us to post on the blogs - perhaps to migrate over to them - but blogging and message boards are quite different places. The blog comments are essentially a one-way feedback to the blog owner, or at best a two way dialogue if the owner responds. The boards offer a mechanism for multi-way discussion between viewers on topics initiated by viewers. Much better!
I think I was one of the people who posted on one of the other threads last week - I haven't been around much recently but I wish there had been a weekly thread like this when I started out - I dread to think how many threads I've started after watching GW and trying to track down a particular plant etc (I didn't realise the plant lists existed!)
I agree with you about blog comments Trillium, can't see how I could've learnt as much through them as through here. Thank you for your recent advice btw - planning a weekend in the garden
I think this was one of the best Gardener's Worlds I have seen for a good while. Shame that is was only half an hour. Maybe if it had been an hour Toby could have shown us putting part of the greenhouse up and making the beds rather than just telling us what he did. Good to see Alys credited as a presenter for the first time.
Thoroughly enjoyed tonights programe, everyone seemed to pull together and seemed much more relaxed. fantastic to see Sarah and Chris again. and Toby is full of useful tips. Thank you and well done to everyone. More like this again please.
Really enjoyed the show.Toby's a great presenter, full of useful tips that are down to earth(pardon the pun)lots of great info particularly liked the soup compost idea!Enjoyed seeing ths student's progress with Chris Beardshaw and all the other features.The best GW for a long time in my opinion.Great!!
What was the food fair section doing on the program !? It seems that the producers still dont get that we want a gardening program not a lifestyle show.
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Posted by hypercharleyfarley (U7444019) on Friday, 26th September 2008
Oh dear..... as I was watching I wondered what on earth somebody would find to complain about.... I thought it one of the best GWs for ages, and do hope they can keep going in the same vein. Congratulations to all concerned & thanks for an extremely enjoyable, informative and watchable half-hour. There was none of that wobbly camera work, nor prolonged shots of footwear which I used to find so annoying. Looking forward already to the next programme.
Surely one of the points about the Food Fair was to show some more reasons for growing herbs - or did I get that all wrong? Cheers! Ma.
Haven't watched it yet. Fell asleep after tea. Will not read the comments until I have seen it.
Really good show. first time I've properly sat down and watched since Toby started but I agree with previous posters, I particularly enjoyed the bit on the allotment and liked the no tape measure approach when constructing the wires for the canes, even though they are not a plant I have, I found myself thinking that it was something I would be able to do should i want to...can't wait for morning now so I can get out in the garden
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Posted by hotsunlover (U5664870) on Friday, 26th September 2008
Oh Dear. I am out-numbered it seems . I thought it was a bit dull.
Oh Dear. I am out-numbered it seems . I thought it was a bit dull.Â
Not out-numbered hotsunlover just single minded who keeps ones own council-good on you- I might even agree but have taped it so have yet to watch this episode to give an opinion!!.
Great show. I would like to have a quick look at Toby's allotment some time.
He made me really wish that I had room for a greenhouse in the garden. There was a 6x8 second hand one advertised locally for only £25 but there is just nowhere I can put it without cutting a hole in the hedge and appropriating some of the neighbour's garden.
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Posted by Gardenballet (U4233452) on Friday, 26th September 2008
I loved the programme tonight. It could have something to do with the fact that Chris Beardshaw
was featured!!!
That aside, I enjoyed the propogating of pelargoniums, Carol's planting into the old wall and Alys's suggestion for her 'soup'!!
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Posted by Little Cornflower (U12037777) on Friday, 26th September 2008
Thought the food fare bit was unnecessary and out of place in a gardening programme. I do think the programme is immesurably better than when Monty Don was the main presenter - although I found it a touch dull.I put it down to being the time of the year and the fact that Berryfields itself is oh so familiar. I'm sure it will be rivetting in spring. I really like Toby and think he grows in stature week by week
I think there was a bit too much crammed in tonight. The food fair could have been taken out IMHO.
Wish the camera had zoomed in a bit more when Toby was doing the geranium cuttings.
H
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Posted by koala_girl (U12702629) on Friday, 26th September 2008
Why are we getting only half an hour?
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Posted by hotsunlover (U5664870) on Friday, 26th September 2008
because they want us to still be awake when The Tudors comes on...............only kidding Mischeivious mood, sorry!
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Posted by sparklingsnowleapord (U3848262) on Friday, 26th September 2008
I enjoyed the program tonight to even the food fair.
It was nice to see real chefs using produce anyone can grow.
Those coctails i wish i had been Sarah.
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Posted by MsSeahorse (U11657392) on Friday, 26th September 2008
Yes! Why only half an hour? Not enough. An hour and Toby would have had time to show us how to do more in the greenhouse, and he'd have had more time to tease Joe down at the allotment. That did make me laugh. Is the greenhouse going to feature regularly? I liked it because it's not so posh as the other ones. This ethical frugal living stuff is spot on in the middle of a credit crunch.
As for blog commenting... It's a different beast. Not without merit, but not for generating far-ranging discussions. A blog comment is a bit like an old-style letter to a newspaper in that it responds to a particular 'article'. A live thread on a board is the stuff of old newspaper editors' dreams so GW hosts be grateful for the instant focus group, feedback and lively debate!
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Posted by solomonsseal (U3026097) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
I like Toby and his approach. What I increasingly can't cope with is Joe Swift and his Jack The Lad technique. During the visit to the allotment he kept braying like a horse, doing inane cracks to the camera, and trying to do Toby down.
Speaking for myself I'm rather glad the programmes are now 30 minutes ones. I was finding the hour long ones a bit of a marathon, and there was an awful lot of padding.
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Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
I enjoyed this weeks show. They managed to cram a lot of interesting little snippets into the half hour. Maybe they could make a compromise and do a 45 min show if they won't give us a full hour?
I have to say there was one bit of camera work that did give me the chuckkles. One minute Alys was chatting away to us and the next minute we were shown a random shot of a hot air balloon through some fennel, then we got a wonderful cut to Alys little mut craneing it's head to the sky as if watching the balloon. Awwwwwww bless
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Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú -next year I want to see TOBY on HIS allotment. Get Joe doing more design related topics please.
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Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
On the whole, this was the best of the 3 programmes so far with lots of interesting items. But there was one huge negative as far as I'm concerned - building the greenhouse off-camera. From reading the boards, the production team must know that this is a subject which would have interested many viewers.
A lot of comments have been made about the new lead presenter in the vein that TB is not unlike Geoff Hamilton. Perhaps so, and while I'm not harking back to times past, the joy of GH's programmes, what really made them stand out for many viewers, was that he showed us what he was doing from start to finish and didn't just present us with a finished product, and then give verbal instructions on how to do it.
A real missed opportunity for both interested viewers and TB.
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Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
How on earth are they supposed to show a greenhouse being put up in just half an hour. If they had there would have been no time for any other features and we would all be on here moaning that there was no gardening on this weeks show. Perhaps the BEEB could take note of this weeks threads and think about doing a one hour special on putting up and equiping a greenhouse in the future
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Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
the same way programmes show huge renovations or complete houses being built in half an hour!
I would love to put up a greenhouse but I have not got the foggiest notion of how to choose or prepare a base, nor how to erect the uprights or make a pane of glass stay in place, so the comments about the greenhouse are, IMHO, very valid indeed.
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Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
I desperately want to know how to do this too. But realistically I know that I am not going to be able to watch a short TV show and then miracuously be able to do it. It is going to take a lot of research, chatting to people, getting books from the library etc before I would attempt such a thing.
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Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
Rach, GH showed how to construct many things on his programme, and I went out there and built them on my own. We're not talking rocket science but simple constructions like compost bins, obelisks, cold frames, etc. And many years on they are still standing and viable, even though they were made by a clue-less woman.
What GH did was - very simply - show how to make them. That was the spark that ignited the 'yes - even I can do this' - moment, and that is what I feel was a missed opportunity as it can't be that difficult to erect a greenhouse - when you're shown how to do it
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Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
Thats a great point Bluedoyenne, lets hope they do an extended special in the future then Although the thought of the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú encouraging the average untrained bod on the street to attmpt to play with large panes of glass in their back garden does worry me slightly
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Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
Absolutely, so I shall count on your support when my time comes
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Posted by Gardenballet (U4233452) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
Yes, I have a Geoff Hamilton Cottage Garden video now and love the way he shows you right from the beginning, encouraging the use of the simple, cheap approach.
I would also love to have the confidence to put up a second hand greenhouse.
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Posted by Dancing Dragonflies (U11928307) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
Bluedoyenne,
My OH has already banned me from getting a glass greenhouse from e-bay becuase I am monumentally clumsy . I'll give you all the support you need when you put up yours, just don't let me get too close or disaster may strike
This is how to put up a greenhouse.
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Posted by bookhimdano (U10771514) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
maybe its an idea GW can pick up and put any material [including outtakes] that can't make the weeks show up on the web?
there seems a demand for 'delia' [bullet proof] type instructions [for, say, putting up a greenhouse] for those who need a bit of confidence?
good show. nice easy spirit.
talking of soup one old trick i've seen one person do is take pear leaves and put them in a bucket of rainwater and let them stew. After gardening she used to wash her hands in that bucket and her hands kept soft. Horse chestnut leaves also make a kind of soap. Actually from the garden you can make shampoos, cleaning materials and stuff to wash clothes in.
Its about knowing what is acid and alkaline. Nettles are acid and docks alkaline [which is why the can cancel each other out].
You can make a 'pudding' out of young dock leaves. see
I think half an hour is just right for me. Better that you wished for more, than wishing it was over.
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Posted by Clem at isa (U7260604) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
I agree with the cramming in part - my head was buzzing with all the different bits - would have liked to see a bit longer on each area with good close up shots of what to do.
But lots of good ideas to take from the show, mull over and use later!
I enjoyed seeing Chris Beardshaw make an appearance but cannot remember a single word he said.
I think it was just about OK to skip the 'putting up the greenhouse' bit - the cameras are only at Berryfields for a day or maybe two, so much has to happen when they aren't there. But someone could have taken some stills though to show the sequence and highlight any tricky bits.
But the raspberry frame building was also rushed, and this time there was a camera there. There were lots of close-up shots of hammering and drilling then a brief pan back while Toby and Joe taunted one another. I think I got the idea but would have preferred a clearer explanation of the whole thing - how to tauten the wires, making it strong enough to take the tension etc. It was all a blur.
Not long been in from the garden after starting pernicious weed soup a la yesterday's GW Just been having a poke around on the link given by Lonicera for this week's show - there's a very good link from there to an a-z of greenhouses but still no info on constructing them I can understand that it's not possible to cover everything in enough detail regardless of whether it's a 30 or 60 minute show but it would be a good compromise if articles like this could be added to/reviewed when something is mentioned on the show.
The pernicious weed soup is an interesting idea, but if it smells anything like dead slugs in a beer trap do after a couple of weeks then I'm afraid I just can't do it...
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Posted by jennie-wren (U9422284) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
It smells worse that dead slugs, believe me. We tried it with couch grass. Phew, soon packed that up!
I'm finding it all too bitty I'm afraid.
I thought that Carol was going to be fronting a "GW Tips for beginners" type programme and for me this is what "our" GW has already become.
Lots of tips and bits and pieces and too many people in too many places! I can concentrate on a subject for more than a couple of minutes and would prefer to have something more meaty.
The only tip I retained was Carol's -to make up a pot of sticky mud to plaster plants into cracks in walls. So simple, so obvious but it had never occured to me!
lol! well...it's possibly just as well that our neighbours that side rarely use their garden...! I'll report back once it's had time to brew
Toonia, I tried that with some crocus bulbs last year and nothing happened. I should maybe try it with some that is in flower.
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Happy to leave you to trial this one mcspanna. We'll need a score out of 10 for awfulness - do we have anything to use as a mutual reference? Decomposing slugs is at least a 9 for me....
Eventually got around to watching this after spreading loads of home made compost and mowing the lawn and thought a very enjoyable, pertinent and varied episode IMHO The big plus over last weeks offering was that we were back to reasonable director/camera work with the exception of the Chris Beardshaw bit which was a bit zoomy and noticeable in/out of focus shots-WHY?
The Sarah Craven London food jolly was a waste of time & money! and hardly useful for a gardening prog. except she said she picked up plenty of useful and handy tips which I wished she had passed onto the viewer's.
A good 8/10 from me and I see that Monty's hands are still there in the intro film like a "voice from the past"
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Posted by merrycarnation (U9382321) on Saturday, 27th September 2008
I enjoyed it. I like Toby's relaxed manner. Can't say I learnt anything new and as a previous poster said, perhaps put the 'putting up of the greenhouse' on the GW site or on one of the blogs. A good programme imo.
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