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Message 1.听
Posted by DEVILISH40 (U13897230) on Saturday, 18th April 2009
We all now know that Gardeners World is not aimed at or meant for us gardeners. We have just got to get over it and face the fact that real Gardeners World ended when Monty had to leave. So it's all over and we must let the mourning process run its course. The emotional wound will heal in time and some occupational therapy in our real gardens will help us mend.
While the real gardening brigade, you know, the sort of people who for months on end get thoroughly immersed in tending their plot, are going through this process, and here is the plea....
Can we have a new garden program? One in which the focus is on supporting the enormous community of people who garden already, who want to build on their knowledge, who want to have their horizons expanded and who want to feel that their enjoyment of gardening will be enhanced by watching a garden program.
We don't care when you screen it; we will watch it on iPlayer if necessary. It would need to start in February when real gardeners start making tentative forays to prepare their plot for the coming gardening season. We don't even want a TV garden. We will be happy with real experts filmed commenting, interpreting and informing in Private / NGS / RHS gardens. We will be more than happy with Mathew Wilson from Harlow Carr and he should not cost you as much as some of your so called key talent though Chris Beardshaw would also make us happy if you could run to his celebrity fees. Oh and one more thing, could it be inspiring and attempt to raise what is supposed to be a source of national pride, our gardens, to new heights? Please, Please........ -
Message 2
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Yes please.
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Message 3
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
You have my support.
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Message 4
Posted by Hillsideheather (U13923913) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Friday night discussion in the pub has become dominated by the changes to GW. I have watched since Geoff Hamilton days, and each change has brought rewards as you adapt to a new style. But this time I'm moved, after decades, to join a blog for the first time, to protest. I want real knowledge and tips, not gnomes, elimination competitions for propagation, games on who can plant a tree fastest.
In the latest edition various plants and their attributes and needs were skimmed over. Since this series began I agree we need a proper gardening programme again. I cannot work out who it is aimed at - surely even excited newcomers to gardening will be turned off by this rubbish? I also feel sorry for some of the presenters as they seem to have been forced to change into something they are not by misguided producers. -
Message 5
Posted by flumpetstrumpet (U2598678) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
I agree wholeheartedly. Please listen to us - there's really nothing for us gardeners anymore
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Message 6
Posted by thevodkarose (U13048111) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Even as a gardener who still has a lot to learn, I'm getting weary of this new series too.
What on earth is a 6 year old planting tomato seed meant to show us? Do they even know what audience they are looking for? This was 8pm on a Friday night, not 3pm on Cbeebies. -
Message 7
Posted by Seacarrot (U3012141) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
I agree, and I rarely post these days.
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Message 8
Posted by Lottie (U2331125) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Me too - GW as it is neither informs or entertains.
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Message 9
Posted by wetaquagirl (U13924285) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
麻豆官网首页入口 BEWARE ITV MAY DECIDE TO GIVE GARDENERS WHAT THEY WANT. A PROGRAM TO CHALLENGE AND EXCITE US. I DONT NEED A CHILD TO SHOW ME HOW TO PLANT A SEED.LEAVE HER IN THE CHILDRENS SLOT.
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Message 10
Posted by ladyrosemarie (U13815936) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Couldnt agree more guys,GW isnt aimed for gardeners anymore it would seem, In its attempt to be trendy with it's dizzy camera shots, and blue peter makes of cardboard and tinfoil,and gnomes, it has alienated those of us who would like a proper gardening programme.Where is the advice on new plant varieties?propergation and growing techniques and chance to see other peoples gardens? Thank goodness for sky TV at least 麻豆官网首页入口 Scotlands Beechgrove garden on Tuesdays is about proper gardening! So to sum up in the new GW phrase "what's Hot" - GW is certainly NOT!
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Message 11
Posted by mommydoos (U2592301) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
I so agree with all the above - but is anyone listening? Appears not, unless next Friday's offering does a smart turn about! Oh, isn't it live anymore??
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Message 12
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Develish40, I feel completely let down by the new GW and hope someone with authority on the programme will listen to us.
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Message 13
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
I know, let's have yet another thread on what's wrong with Gardener's World. That would be novel.
Can't we PLEASE put comments like this on one thread only! -
Message 14
Posted by hotsunlover (U5664870) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Unless you are a complete beginner GW is not intended for you. I tend to tune to GW out of hope an habit rather than the 'fix' I used to get. It has its place, but so would a programme for non-beginners.
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Message 15
Posted by invisiblePlantastic (U13924981) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Just joined the group because I COULDN'T AGREE MORE to see a presenter- Carol - with so much knowledge to share and yet not doing so in a 'gardeners' programme breaks my heart and patience... Is it for total total beginners? Please make another programme for the ones that have been watching it for a long time payed attention tried your tips and now are trying to keep going!
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Message 16
Posted by rainbowpansyqueen (U12059093) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Could not agree more. I don't generally bother with the programme any more, but thought I'd look on Friday. What utter tripe it was!
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Message 17
Posted by janerowena (U10782401) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
I agree. One programme for more specialist items, another for beginners perhaps. The present format reminded me of Blue Peter. I expected Biddy Baxter to pop out at any moment.
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Message 18
Posted by TallyHo (U2364821) on Sunday, 19th April 2009
Hi there JaneRo... your dahlias survived in the greenhouse
I totally agree with everyone on this thread, even a series of old strung together GW clips would be good so long as they're matched to the season. Gosh we'd probably have to go on a quick OU course to appreciate them, so inured have we become to the dumbed down offerings over the past year or so. -
Message 19
Posted by born2mulch (U13925526) on Monday, 20th April 2009
I completely agree with the comments made about the new series of GW. As others have mentioned, I have welcomed changes the 麻豆官网首页入口 has made to the programme throughout the years, but now I'm not sure whether I'm watching CBeebies, Blue Peter or Loose Women. Carol's vast knowledge is undeniably being wasted, and it is not the same without seeing her working around the main GW garden.
I'm now preferring to watch older repeats on other channels. -
Message 20
Posted by jungle_jane (U1807090) on Monday, 20th April 2009
I so agree with all the above - but is anyone listening? Appears not, unless next Friday's offering does a smart turn about! Oh, isn't it live anymore??
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There no point hoping that they are going to change a program just because a few people on a messageboard don't like it. Anyway most episodes are recorded weeks in advance.
I'm fed up with people complaining about the show on here. If you really want to make your voice heard by the bbc then email Points Of View. Ive been watching points of view for the last three weeks (since the GW returned) and not a single mention on there programme yet. -
Message 21
Posted by hypercharleyfarley (U7444019) on Monday, 20th April 2009
There were 99 posts about the New Gardeners' World programme on the Points of View message board when I last looked! Ma.
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Message 22
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Monday, 20th April 2009
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Message 23
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Monday, 20th April 2009
Were they similar in content to those on this board? Do you have a link to the Points of View message board?
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Message 24
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Monday, 20th April 2009
I think we cross posted Bluedoyenne, I have put the link above
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Message 25
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Monday, 20th April 2009
I just had a look on 'Allotments for all' out of interest as it one of the 'larger' messageboards.
Their thread on GW is a bit like here as far as I can see, starts out with a certain amount of willingness to enjoy the first episode but by the end of the thread and last Friday's episode people are more than a little disenchanted. (I didn't read all the bit in the middle.)
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Message 26
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Monday, 20th April 2009
Yes - perfect crossing that one!
Thank you for the link Save_Gardeners_World
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Message 27
Posted by U13926344 (U13926344) on Monday, 20th April 2009
thank you bbc for putting every other garden show to show to shame.
Those other shows could never dream of making such compost heap of a garden show.
As for all the complainers I think you all need some cheese to go with your wine.
The bbc has no intention of listening to you. So you better get used to it. If want better garden program, I suggest you create your own on the internet. Since the bbc does not care and never have!! -
Message 28
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Monday, 20th April 2009
Troll alert!
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Message 29
Posted by TomL2006 (U5345633) on Monday, 20th April 2009
beechgrove garden on scottish tv is very good!
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Message 30
Posted by vocalIsabella (U13926587) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
Oh how we agree! The 'new' format is just so dumbed down it's unbelievable. The dipsy light version of the music just about sums up the whole programme now. It seems to be just about the presenters massaging their own egos! Please can we have some real gardening progs? We work so hard growing our own produce without all the fuss and childishness, why can't the Beeb accommodate us real gardeners too? Ok, if they have to pander to those who wish to start up and ok if those who want to start up find the prog useful, but those of us 'crusty' gardeners have been dealt a slap across our collective face with this infantile drivel! We agree with previous comments - 'Gardeners' World is not aimed at gardeners any more, it would seem. In its attempts to be trendy it has alienated those of us who would like a proper gardening programme. The final sequence where the team sit in their palatial shed making forced attempts at being funny is just toe-curling.' It ain't meant to be Top Gear, just a good programme. Change is necessary but please don't insult our intelligence - even those new to gardening must hate being talked down to in this way.
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Message 31
Posted by famousjackthelad (U13926620) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
I agree wholeheartedly with all that DEVILISH40 has said. Gardeners World has followed the 麻豆官网首页入口's current trend of dumbing down. It is little wonder that the educational standards in this country continue to decline when one of our most respected institutions decides that it must appeal to the lowest common denominator.
My wife and I have watched Gardeners World since its inception and are horrified at the way in which it is now presented. Apart from the simplistic approach of its presenters and the at times ridiculous camerawork it does not help the vast majority of its viewers to plan their gardening year. Why start the series in April when the gardening year begins so much earlier>
I believe that the best plan would be to repeat some of the older series. This would not only save a great deal of licence payers money but would also be much more relevant to the bulk of the programme's followers. -
Message 32
Posted by Eladekralc (U3040105) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
Dont get mixed up with drumming down and fun, which alot of people on here do!
Nothing wrong with GW as is that a few fine tuning will suffice and I know of many people who are now watching it because the stuffy regimented plant here or else has finally gone.
If you choose to not get your children involved in gardening does'nt mean many others agree with you. In my opinion if GW gets Children involved in gardening by showing 5 minutes of planting I am all for it, if you read the gardening press you will see schools, RHS and the like are now doing the same, so maybe 'this' thread posters need to get out more or understand there is a change a happening...
If you read and watched the beginning they explained as the series goes on there will be more in depth gardening, for god's sake they have just moved to a derlict land and got a new greenhouse and infrastructure up and running in 2 1/2 months ready for cameras etc which they had to design everything for, taking a leaf out of Beechgrove garden which did the same!
I don't want a programme that just lists plants with an image as I can get some very good catalogues that do this. GW lost audiences over the last couple of years because of what people on this thread want, so maybe you are wrong and the present show is right for the times and if you do not like it switch off like I have done while Monty pontificated over his compost, long border and organic hangups. Looking at the BARB figures at the end of last year 1.92m were watching, so far this 2.13m have taken a look, so looks good but I think we need to look at the end of the series to see the overall effect, but in my household and friends it has been a real good watch.
Also this thread sounds very much like the Time Team thread of many years ago, where academics tried to wrestle with the fact that Archaeology could be entertaining just like Gardening, in which the most popular programme in gardening in many years was a so called 'Entertainment' quick fit ideal 'Groundforce'.
There is only one way that 麻豆官网首页入口 is going to listen is not by threads like these but in you not watching, then what might happen is that the 麻豆官网首页入口 will not make anymore and guess who will be the losers then. -
Message 33
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
Don't get mixed up with drumming down and fun 听
I'm assuming that you meant dumbing down which is what a lot of people are complaining about.
I think that the people who are getting 'mixed up' are those who believe that faux banter and excruciating stilted jokey dialogue are 'fun'.
Joe, for instance, was very amusing on the 'How Britain got the gardening bug' programme. He finally got his own back on Alan Titchmarsh with a few well aimed jokes and was at his best being lighthearted but not stupid. Why doesn't this transfer to GW where he is made to play the fall guy in a manner which makes Toby look patronising and unpleasant?
There also seems to be an assumption that people who liked Monty won't like Toby's style or vice versa. I don't like either of them as gardeners' world presenters although there is a time and a place for Monty at least.
I thought that moving to derelict land was a plus for the new series and would have welcomed a slow transformation from field to gardens. Instead the infrastructure has already been put in place without explanation or interest to the viewer.
The overdone 'if you don't like it switch it off' is facile. I wasn't too happy about the Iraq war - was I expected to 'switch that off' too? -
Message 34
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
"Also this thread sounds very much like the Time Team thread of many years ago, where academics tried to wrestle with the fact that Archaeology could be entertaining just like Gardening, in which the most popular programme in gardening in many years was a so called 'Entertainment' quick fit ideal 'Groundforce'."
Eladekralc,
Time Team is entertainment loosely based on Archaeology. It is not however a true representation of Archaeology. I am a Dr of Archaeology and I have worked in both the academic and commercial sectors for many years. I have also worked on the Time Team programme. During filming our site was descended on by hundreds of media luvies running around making things look "fun and exciting". The people producing the programme had no understanding of archaeology, their only previous experience was on Saturday Kitchen. The entire programme was completely scripted. Whole scenes were made up. We were asked to make up data and sit and draw fictitious plans to film a scene. When they did not find any interesting finds, they asked to see finds previously found on the site and then they buried one of them in a patch of mud and pretended to find it on camera.
I have no doubt that Time Team is hugely entertaining, but it is not real. It has certainly raised the profile of archaeology, and I'm sure all those students encouraged to enter the profession by the programme are so pleased to be signing onto the dole now that the construction industry has crashed and hundreds of archaeologists are being made redundant.
If I want to buy a leather sofa I buy a leather sofa, not a fake one. That is what Time Team is, it is mock archaeology. I fear that that is exactly what is happening to Gardeners World. It is no longer a real gardening show for real gardeners, but a mock show for people that might like to think about wandering around the GC on a sunny Sunday afternoon and buy a few annuals for their patio pots. It is no longer a show for people who actually wish to learn how to grow, develop and maintain a garden. It has become a flashy, quick fix, look at me I鈥檓 trendy, I鈥檓 鈥渄igging in鈥, and I have a beautiful looking shed with stylish reclaimed windows and doors. Entertainment shows have their place, but I resent the 麻豆官网首页入口 turning the only English gardening show (Beechgrove is so much better) on television into a light weight lifestyle show. I don鈥檛 object to them making such a show, but just leave Gardener鈥檚 World as a gardening show please. You don鈥檛 need to dumb down or s*x up the show to make it interesting, gardening IS interesting.
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Message 35
Posted by Eladekralc (U3040105) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
I think you are very wrong about GW being a real gardening show, it certainly is but what you mean is it is not the way you want your gardening show to be, simple.
It has filled a gap in my gardening as I know it to be not about more little bit of England but about all sorts of people enjoying all sorts of things that are under the term gardening, not just propagating the same plants year in and year out.
As for the Greenhouse, shed etc, they did explain why they had to do it and there is a very good article in gardeners World and online somewhere that explains the infrastructure needed so as they can build the programme as the series goes on!
As for Time Team, I helped out on 2 digs and learnt alot, but not from the so called 'Archaeologists' who thought that because I did not have a degree, that I could not grasp the finer points of what I was digging up. Pompous is not a strong enough word. In fact one pontificated so much he lost himself and must of changed his mind 20 times everytime something else was dug.
I do not want GW to become a Open University instruction course, but want to settle down with a glass of Red Wine with 'all' my family kids and all and just enjoy. -
Message 36
Posted by Eladekralc (U3040105) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
I think you are very wrong about GW being a real gardening show, it certainly is but what you mean is it is not the way you want your gardening show to be, simple.
It has filled a gap in my gardening as I know it to be not about ins and outs of a petal or about my little bit of England but about all sorts of people enjoying all sorts of things that are under the term gardening, not just propagating the same plants year in and year out.
As for the Greenhouse, shed etc, they did explain why they had to do it and there is a very good article in gardeners World and online somewhere that explains the infrastructure needed so as they can build the programme as the series goes on!
As for Time Team, I helped out on 2 digs and learnt alot, but not from the so called 'Archaeologists' who thought that because I did not have a degree, that I could not grasp the finer points of what I was digging up. Pompous is not a strong enough word. In fact one pontificated so much he lost himself and must of changed his mind 20 times everytime something else was dug.
I do not want GW to become a Open University instruction course, but want to settle down with a glass of Red Wine with 'all' my family kids and all and just enjoy. -
Message 37
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
Who here has said they want GW to become an OU instruction course, I couldn't think of anything worse.
Archaeology has been developed by many people without degrees, it is experience that counts in the field, degrees come in more handy for post-ex research. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about education, but that is another issue entirely.
"One pontificated so much he lost himself and must of changed his mind 20 times everytime something else was dug." This statment tells me that you have absoulutely no idea about what real archaeology is about. I am not going to say anything more on that, you have said it all.
I appreciate that you like the show and have a valid view point. But please stop attacking those of us that are not happy with the show, we have just as much right to air our own views as you do. -
Message 38
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
Eladekralc I admit having difficulty in understanding a lot of what you write, but I get the overall drift. As a viewer you are entitled to tell the 麻豆官网首页入口 about the programme you want, as are those of us who do not agree with you (99.9%). The only problem, in my opinion, is that the programme you want isn't (or more correctly, was not) GW.
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Message 39
Posted by galactictennisbat (U13926900) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
I thought I would give GW another chance on Friday night having tried last Spring, when I was still struggling to cope with Monty's departure, but I soon gave up in disgust. What a patronising programme and I doubt whether any gardeners, novices or experienced, enjoy this watered down mix, presented by a cast of understudies.
Carol, the only remaining presenter of any worth, (in my view) has been severely sidelined and her contribution consisted primarily of discussions about choosing 3 participants for a pruning course. What was all that about - the 'hopefuls' had obviously been pre-selected, as they were a PC mix chosen from ?
It grieves me to think that the producer(s) consider this to be a continuation of the same programme that has been presented by a cast of characters: Geoff Hamilton, Alan T and Monty Don, Rachel D T, Sarah Raven etc etc. -
Message 40
Posted by Dipinandout (U13927006) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
My husband and I both agree with the dissatisfaction with the new series of Gardening World. We have watched for years, have learned a great deal from respected experts and enjoy the show tremendously, but are so disappointed with the new format and the presenters (except Carol Klein). It is more like a daytime programme for children and beginners: so amateurish. Toby couldn't even plant cuttings into a pot properly: what a mess he made of it. Oh, for the days of Alan Titchmarsh - and the personality. There's a saying: if it ain't broke, don't touch it. No doubt some 'know all, know nowt' decided he/she could do better: but failed. Yet another good programme wrecked. Where's the off button?
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Message 41
Posted by Tiarella (U11833177) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
It is more than obvious that the majority of gardeners are extremely disappointed with the new GW. This opinion is reflected not only here, on the 麻豆官网首页入口 Gardening message boards, but on plenty of other gardening websites too (I know, because I've read them).
GW as we knew it is dead and the current palty effort is not worth watching for most of us. We'll have to wait and see if the 麻豆官网首页入口 takes any notice of the overwhelming majority of gardeners who would like the "old" GW, or something like it, back. If the 麻豆官网首页入口 do their market research correctly, they cannot fail to discover that most gardeners don't like the new GW.
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Message 42
Posted by magnificentBagpuss (U13927712) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
I agree. Such a programme is exactly what the 麻豆官网首页入口 should produce. But a small plea - don't assume we all have ipods!
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Message 43
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
I am afraid we are all wasting our breath. The Beeb has made it's mind up that the programme need a 'refresh' so that's that. They are right and the rest of us are wrong. Gardener's World - RIP.
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Message 44
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
Some people are listening, comments about the show from this board were printed in the national press today
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Message 45
Posted by TomL2006 (U5345633) on Tuesday, 21st April 2009
I disagree. If it was so bad it wouldn't get the viewing ratings that it does. Ultimately if you don't like it stop watching it. The 麻豆官网首页入口 has set its stall now, new venue, new presenters etc etc Its not suddenly going to revert back to a couple of decades ago.
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Message 46
Posted by cottageflower (U13928623) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
Both me and my husband are so disappointed with the new GW. We feel it actually insults our intelligence. If such a program is needed, then a NEW program should have been devised the GW left for people like us who already garden regularly. We will not be watching it anymore.
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Message 47
Posted by SilverGalanthus (U13903849) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
Hello 鈥 I鈥檝e been holding back off giving my feedback as I wanted to see at least three episodes of GW before I could make my mind up.
I鈥檓 really not sure what all the fuss is about. I mean, I鈥檓 not completely hooked on it but given the broad audience it鈥檚 trying to reach I鈥檓 not expecting to be 鈥榟ooked鈥 from start to finish. I have my favourite presenters (Carol) and not so favourite (Joe), but I can鈥檛 like all of them obviously. It鈥檚 just a matter of personal inclination that鈥檚 all.
People have complained about Carol鈥檚 鈥淎pprentice-style鈥 competition, but wasn鈥檛 Gardener of the Year an annual competition 鈥 people didn鈥檛 moan about that did they? What鈥檚 so wrong with a bit of healthy competition? I would even argue that some allotmenteers live their lives by how big they can grow their marrows.
I think there鈥檚 a bit of inverted snobbery going on with lots of comments about 鈥榬eal鈥 gardening being up against 鈥榯rendy鈥 gardening? What do you mean by 鈥榯rendy鈥? Is it not just another word for popular? And what鈥檚 wrong with that? Isn鈥檛 that what gardeners are trying to do 鈥 make it popular again and try to mitigate the massive skills shortage in the horticultural industry by getting people back into gardening in some form or another?
When Save_Gardeners_World posted a link to the Daily Mail, I think the penny dropped for me, however. Is this not just some kind of fringe backlash against a programme that is at least making efforts to make gardening more interesting to a generation that has completely lost all connection with nature? I mean, I can understand that you need experts on the programmes that can speak with authority, but Stefan B. is dull bordering on catatonic 鈥 absolutely no personality whatsoever. I really don鈥檛 mind if the new GW is re-shaping itself more as an entertainment vehicle rather than a TV version of a How To book, of which there are so many these days. I do find aspects of the programme inspiring such as the rose enthusiast (it鈥檚 made me consider growing some ramblers in the front garden anyway). When I watch telly on a Friday night, it鈥檚 not to turn it into an hour鈥檚 worth of serious horticultural study; it鈥檚 too agree or disagree with whatever the presenters are doing, have a laugh at it, have a grumble at it, but ultimately so that I can unwind after a long, tiring week and not think too hard. -
Message 48
Posted by MuddyFork (U10051443) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
More evidence, today the Telegraph has an article about the dumbing down of GW
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5195280/Growing-pains-in-Gardeners-World.html
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Message 49
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
TomL
That argument completely misses the point in my opinion. If you don't like it, don't watch it. We've grown to admire and appreciate GW from it's beginnings with Percy Thrower through to Monty Don. We've enjoyed champagne, we don't like Lucozade. We want the quality back again. As for the viewing figures, did you not read my recent post? GW has lost 1.35 million viewers in the last ten years and dropped from first place to ninth place in the 麻豆官网首页入口2 listings. Not bad going, eh?
SG
It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with inverted snobbery. It's to do with DUMBING DOWN of a once superb programme loved by millions. Trendy means gimmicky, appealing to the lowest common denominator, making it in the same vein as Blue Peter for those with a short attention span (and not think too hard). Are you saying 99% of us are completely wrong? -
Message 50
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009
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