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  Posted by happytobyfan (U13663471) on Wednesday, 22nd April 2009

  Does anyone know who actually decides the programme content? Is it the presenter, or the producer? It would seem crazy if it was a 'non-gardening' producer - but would explain a lot about what has happened. (I remember reading on here a little while ago that GW was getting a new producer). Despite the dire content of the last 3 programmes - (and I completely agree with everything that's been said about them), I still like Toby, and find it hard to believe that he could have had much input into such drivel as the clown who "RESCUES" lumps of plaster, etc. He is a genuine, real gardener.

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  Posted by Gianttrowel (U10674701) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  HTF
  
  New producer is Andy Vernon and he is horticuturally trained and a keen gardener
  
  GT

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  Posted by mysteryletterboxs (U1950653) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  New producer is Andy Vernon and he is horticuturally trained and a keen gardener. 
  So why aren't we getting any gardening? At the busiest time of year we should be advised on what to be planting in allotments, which seeds to be sowing in greenhouses, dahlias to be taken out of storage and potted up, etc etc etc. The list is endless, what do we get, blue painted shelves, gnomes and sticky-back foil. Auugh!
  

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  Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  So why aren't we getting any gardening? At the busiest time of year we should be advised on what to be planting in allotments, which seeds to be sowing in greenhouses, dahlias to be taken out of storage and potted up, etc etc etc. The list is endless, what do we get, blue painted shelves, gnomes and sticky-back foil. Auugh! 
  
  Poor Andy is probably surrounded by Media studies kids who took the easy way instead of Engineering Chemistry Maths.
  One voice in the wilderness is never heard so he is probably at this moment banging his head against that wall. Mind the vine eye's Andy.
  Frank.
  

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  Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  Poor Andy is probably surrounded by Media studies kids who took the easy way instead of Engineering Chemistry Maths. 
  That would infer that he has no authority to impose his will on proceedings - which I presume is exactly what the producer does have.
  One voice in the wilderness is never heard so he is probably at this moment banging his head against that wall 
  I'm sure there'll be no shortage of volunteers to help him with this particular task.
  
  Frank, I feel that there is a danger that we'll soon be excusing absolutely everyone from responsibility. Let's all blame Mr Nobody - as that nice Toby or Gurgling Carol, or 'girl next door' Alys, or hapless Joe, or Andy Vernon couldn't possibly be responsible for the mess. Vernon has said nothing at all - and I can't believe he doesn't read the papers. All the presenters are bound to know what so many viewers are thinking. However, not one of them has come out and said something along the lines of 'hard --it' - if you don't like it, too bad. All this criticism, and not a single word (that I've heard) in defense of the 'new' programme from anyone. They can't possibly be pleased with the critical weight of opinion, but while their reputations go south, they say nothing. I know that anyone working in the public eye has to have a thick skin, but this silence is bordering on contempt for what was their loyal viewers. My personal wish would be for the whole lot of them to take a long hike, and hand the entire package over to people who are capable of doing the job in a halfway professional manner.

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  Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  Ken,
  Frank, I feel that there is a danger that we'll soon be excusing absolutely everyone from responsibility. Let's all blame Mr Nobody - 
  
  I have a problem as I did enjoy about 60% of the first programme, totally hated the second one and liked about 50% of the last one.
  I do not dislike Tobi, enjoy Carol when she is in full flow about what she loves, plants.
  Joe is on probation and Alys I make allowances for as we all have to learn our craft and then some. The girl has some knowledge of gardening and is learning the media bit, slowly.
  I would love a Matthew Wilson programme or some of the many people in charge of large gardens of the same ilk.
  I cannot see that being the general wish though as the modern trend appears to be "dip in for thirty seconds and bug out".
  I do not know what they would do if like us they had to file a perfectly square block cut a hole in it and fit another perfect block into it with less than ten thou gaps we did that more than once.
  I am of the old school, start a job and finish it wind rain or storm. Clean up as you go and do not leave until tomorrow what you can do today.
  That is not the modern way and the TV programmes mirror that, here is one I did earlier syndrome I call it when the one earlier was obviously made by the scene makers.
  Green acres is on the same set up, here is a muddy field and here is the one we now have after earth movers and thirty ton trucks have recovered every inch with new soil at our expense.
  That brings me to think the producer has as much input as we have. He will be given guide lines by the planning and costing department. "Right there is your field, we have spent X millions now produce something on a shoe string".
  They cut off two full much needed months to save wages and already it is being left off to accommodate other more important things like Snooker Golf and tiddly winks.
  Who do we blame? like all massive organisations the ones at the sharp end have very little say.
  We Ken can only say what we think then leave.
  Frank.

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  Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  Hmmm
  
  I don't think we can dismiss Alys as a 'girl who know a bit about gardening.'
  It's a tad patronising when she probably knows more that we ever will

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  Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  I don't think we can dismiss Alys as a 'girl who knows a bit about gardening'. 
  From what we've seen so far, I thought I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, and I honestly (and modestly, of course) doubt whether she does indeed know more than we ever will. There's no evidence whatsoever of this in the present format, and the sillier the programme gets, the less likely it is that she'll come up with anything for the more experienced gardener. I dare say we thought that Joe would know a bit about allotments, but he proved to be a total embarrassment.
  

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  Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  Your natural modesty does you credit, Ken
  I'll revise my comment - she knows more than I ever will!. (not difficult I know)
  But she's a grown woman, not a girly.
  It has gone ominously quiet on the allotment front, hasn't it?
  Probably being smothered in illegal chemicals as we speak..
  

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  Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  I just get a feeling when I watch the current show that they are deliberatly scripting Alys as this slightly clumsy young woman becasue they want to make beginners "relate to her."
  
  

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  Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  I don't think we can dismiss Alys as a 'girl who know a bit about gardening.'
  It's a tad patronising when she probably knows more that we ever will 
  
  Not patronising intentionally but as an employer some while back I found that the college learning compared with hands on long time skills were not on the same level.
  People come out of training college thinking they know it all and sharply find book learning is only part of it.
  Alys I do not doubt has all the modern certificates telling us how good she is, now that is the point you really start to learn your craft by doing it on the ground under real working conditions.
  The bits for the camera are contrived and in places plainly wrong in content.
  That was my meaning and I certainly do not consider myself an expert at gardening which is why we need GW, I would also bet if asked Alys would not claim to be expert either.
  You need to go up many gears to compete in this world of dog eat dog and I wonder if some could hack it.
  Frank.

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  Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Thursday, 23rd April 2009

  The power behind the appalling new format is likely a 27 year old metro-sexual who shares a loft in Hoxton. Only experience of growing things is some weed in readiness for Glastonbury.

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  Posted by Eladekralc (U3040105) on Friday, 24th April 2009

  Very patronising as I think Ayls has more than enough credentials. Please of course add your credentials if they better hers! I find this pretty impressive!
  
  This is her short biography.
  
  Alys has been a gardener since her teens, and after leaving school trained with the Royal Horticultural Society, the Royal Botanic Gardens Kew and the New York Botanical Gardens and studied a masters degree in Society, Science and the Environment. She later worked as a journalist on Horticulture Week and Landscape Review and joined the Gardeners' World team first as a horticultural researcher and later as Head Gardener at the programme's Berryfields garden.

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  Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Friday, 24th April 2009

  Very patronising as I think Ayls has more than enough credentials.  
  
  The name is Alys by the way.
  
  Where in that very impressive set of credentials does it say;- started under head gardener and got hands dirty in all weathers as did a lot of the old presenters.
  All the paper in the world will never make up for the experience gained on the job, I was an Engineer before retiring and know this well.
  It does not stop there though, through out my life and most others in the same field schooling never stopped, I even ended up on a 26 week College course (student union card and all) when I was 45.
  Having had many young graduate Engineers under my wing I know what it takes to make them fly without hitting something hard.
  Alys I do not doubt will make it but at the moment is learning two skills, Gardening and Media, neither are easy, good luck to the girl but bring back Alan for me.
  Frank.

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