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Message 1.Â
Posted by zachex5 (U13934638) on Saturday, 25th April 2009
Recent newspaper reports on the 4 Gardners world presenters, was rubbish
Thet are alll know their stuff and are good TV presenters. Long may they reign
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Message 2
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Saturday, 25th April 2009
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Message 3
Posted by Lottie (U2331125) on Saturday, 25th April 2009
Is Toby the king now then?
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Message 4
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Saturday, 25th April 2009
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Yet another new member of this board enthusing about GW!!!!!!! -
Message 5
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Saturday, 25th April 2009
Long may they reignÂ
Heavens above! I hope NOT. -
Message 6
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Saturday, 25th April 2009
<quote>..newspaper reports on the 4 Gardners world presenters, was rubbish..
When considering the excruciating mess that GW has become, The Telegraph, below, shows astonishing restraint.
"It is not fair to lay all the blame at the feet of Toby Buckland, the lead presenter, painfully uncharismatic though he is.... He is in his thirties, which someone at the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú seems to have confused with sex appeal.
The irony is that Carol Klein, one of Buckland's co-presenters, has far more charm, passion, knowledge, intelligence and, yes, sex appeal, but being over 50, seems to be regarded as fit mainly for deadheading roses – a depressing sign of ageism."
Carol, as a gardener, has always inspired me with the confidence to have a try. I always feel safe with her.
Alice is promising too, but I fear they will soon have her just watering the pots and making the tea whilst "the men" are gashing "wisdom". -
Message 7
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Saturday, 25th April 2009
"Thet are alll know their stuff". Err, pardon me?
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Message 8
Posted by ReineMarge (U13928816) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
I think they are a good bunch of gardeners - they may not be so good in front of the camera just yet but give them time
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Message 9
Posted by toonia (U4760062) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
How much time do they need?
Joe, Carol and Toby are all seasoned presenters, it's only Alys who is new to the job. -
Message 10
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
For heaven's sake RM!! The whole point of GW is that the presenters have to have good gardening credentials to be believable and good presenting skills to communicate their gardening knowledge and enthuse us with the confidence to try new plants and techniques in order to manage our gardens for the best and grow our own plants be they edible or ornamental.
They're supposed to be professionals which means they should be good from the moment they hit our screens and not need time to meld and get into their stride. The only novice there is Alys. The rest have been gardening and presenting for decades between them so it's acually appalling that GW looks so poorly conceived and amateurish. It's not even as though the producer is new to the programme.
Please, let there be no more such excuses for what has been done to GW. May they all pull up their proverbial socks and produce quality TV for the faithful regulars plus as many new people as they can entice with intelligent content and presentation. -
Message 11
Posted by Apple (U3132210) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
The Sunday Times has a piece about GW and gnomes today!
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Message 12
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
Obs - I agree with everything you say, except 'the only novice there is Alys'. This is her backgound:-
"Alys has been a gardener since her teens, and after leaving school trained with the Royal Horticultural Society, the Royal Botanic Gardens Kew and the New York Botanical Gardens and studied a masters degree in Society, Science and the Environment. She later worked as a journalist on Horticulture Week and Landscape Review and joined the Gardeners' World team first as a horticultural researcher and later as Head Gardener at the programme's Berryfields garden."
I'm appalled by the gardening advice being given, by Toby in particular. -
Message 13
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
She's a TV novice David but otherwise has supposedly impeccable credentials. Maybe short on experience though, looking at all that journalism and studying rather than doing gardening on the front line.
Toby is definitely lite and superficial. Joe -best not to go there. Carol seems to have been relegated to minor slots which is daft as cuttings, divisions and seed sowing are the life blood of any garden from inception to maturity. -
Message 14
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
I lost the will to live after seeing Christine Walkden's CV!
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Message 15
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
THanks for the tip Apple. Here is the link to the Sunday Times article for anyone interested.
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Message 16
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Sunday, 26th April 2009
"Shrubby hell, gnomes are taking over Gardeners’ World
It’s dibbers at dawn as accusations of dumbing down hit the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú’s flagship horticulture show" I love the heading! -
Message 17
Posted by ArtemisHP (U12217956) on Monday, 27th April 2009
I think they are a good bunch of gardenersÂ
I cannot fail but note, yet again, that the "positive" remarks come from the NEW people who have recently flooded these boards.
As Save_Gardeners_World (U13912310) pointed out, Toby's own blog (message 20) reveals some practices that we must always bear in mind. -
Message 18
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Monday, 27th April 2009
Maybe short on experience though, looking at all that journalism and studying rather than doing gardening on the front line.Â
That disqualifies Nigella Lawson from presenting programmes on cookery then. No?
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Message 19
Posted by SilverGalanthus (U13903849) on Monday, 27th April 2009
Obelixx - your comment about Alys's gardening background is exactly what I meant about inverted snobbery. To quote:
'...supposedly impeccable credentials', 'short on experience', 'all that journalism', 'studying rather than doing gardening' ad infinitum.
Excuse me, but how exactly do you know all this about Alys, whom you've never met? Anyone studying at the places Alys studied, I definitely believe would have been involved in a large amount of practical experience work as part of their curriculum as well as working to the highest standards.
But no, it's clearly not enough for you; she's clearly not a 'real' gardener who 'works on the front line' according to you. Appalling quite frankly.
Generally speaking to all moaners - this has turned into a pointless moaning exercise with all of the complainers here not actually contributing a single positive idea to 'improve' GW. Not one single, creative, professional idea; just tonnes of moaning. And I don't mean "sack so and so", "no more fuzzy camera shots", "no more of this, that and the other". Why don't you actually come up with some constructive, real ideas about what is it exactly you'd like to see and hear and send it in? And meaningless terms like "quality", "professional" and "intelligent" don't cut it either - be specfic with detailed examples.
Moaning will get you absolutely nowhere; if you pulled your collective fingers out and came up with some kind of action plan than you might get somewhere - till then, noone at the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú will take the blindest bit of notice of you and rightly so.
But I suspect you'll continue to watch it, because you love to moan and bring people down with you. -
Message 20
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Monday, 27th April 2009
And don't mention the war.
I am with you, SG; well said!
Hejhog -
Message 21
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Monday, 27th April 2009
For goodness sake can we not just all agree that we have differing view points and stop launching personal digs at people please.
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Message 22
Posted by ellieho (U5892256) on Monday, 27th April 2009
Silver Galanthus,
Well said,
I too am sick of the moaners, it spoils every thread that others post,they can't understand that not everyone agrees,-or even want to hear- their negative moans.
Some only watch to see what they can complain about to wind others up, if it is so bad, why do they watch?
Stand by for the following blasts at the two of us. -
Message 23
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 27th April 2009
SG - we did 'come up with an action plan'.
We said that it wasn't reasonable to expect one gardening programme to address every level of gardener and every type of interest. Our proposal was that there should be more gardening on telly - as there is for cookery - with the novice/entertainment stuff separated from more challenging/specialist programmes aimed at the very many experienced gardeners out there.
So we do have a plan. But so far, no takers.... -
Message 24
Posted by hotsunlover (U5664870) on Monday, 27th April 2009
Over the years we have done thread after thread after thread of what we would like GW to contain. If they took any notice whatsoever, they could have a good, interesting, varied programme which appeals to new and experienced gardeners alike. But they don't. So we moan. Its a simple thing really.
Watching GW now is like watching a programme for CÂ鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú. Its tosh. -
Message 25
Posted by TheHejhog (U7657776) on Monday, 27th April 2009
So children's programmes are tosh? Interesting viewpoint.
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Message 26
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Monday, 27th April 2009
That's not what she said and you know it. It seems to me that a few of you are just going around trying to pick fights with other posters -we can all see what you are up to.
Mods do we really need another thread on GW, isn't it about time you closed it?
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