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GW 29 May - preview of tonight's show
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by moderator (U2305248) on Friday, 29th May 2009
Hi all, for those interested in a taster of tonight's GW, you can watch an exclusive preview clip here:
If you'd like to have your say about the show, please add your thoughts to this thread.
Thanks GH -
Message 2
Posted by omegaLexa (U7472510) on Friday, 29th May 2009
No thank you, I shan't be watching.
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Message 3
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Friday, 29th May 2009
Is that you Phyllcuddlebuns?
I will be watching.
I can't understand who all these people are that say they won't watch - what are you going to grump about if you don't watch?
Sorry, I meant comment on and suggest improvements,naturally -
Message 4
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 29th May 2009
I don't think gardening host is Phyllywyllywoo Nooj, it's just hostiewostie.
The preview suggests they are doing tommy bags which is of interest to me so they had better do a good job.
It also appears that the sensible pond has remained clear. Is it cos its so cold in Birmingham that the water doesn't go all smelly and murky? Will we find out.
They are planting up some other bed but I don't remember them finishing the white bed which was silver so I hope we see how stuff they have started is progressing. -
Message 5
Posted by Pumpkin (U13922940) on Friday, 29th May 2009
Well I will be watching,miss it when its not on,seen clip and it looks like its going to be a good show. Beachgrove is on tonight at 7.30 Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú 1 Scotland as well.
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Message 6
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Friday, 29th May 2009
Oh - that's a shame
I really like cuddle buns. He/she seems normal
No offence hostie.
I can't wait fot the tomato bit!
mine are looking iffy
Ps public service announcement re we when we get all enthused after tonight's show - we should put suncream on before we go out tomorrow!
How brilliant! -
Message 7
Posted by alterego2 (U2832721) on Friday, 29th May 2009
Pretty good programme tonight. Lots more direct to camera talking, and generally interesting and well put together.
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Message 8
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 29th May 2009
It was a pretty good program
Lots of plants and planting
Clematis
The shed feature was wonderful, hats off to that man
(must have a really nice planning officer)
A good balance
Please keep this up -
Message 9
Posted by pootles magnet (U11709665) on Friday, 29th May 2009
I really enjoyed that a lot tonight. I liked the way they presented the bee garden where they described each plant and cut to images of what it was going to look like in bloom. It was lovely to get some pretty pictures to look, despite Greenacre being so much mud and hardstanding at the moment. It was interesting info about the bees as well, I have loads of bees in my garden, but I'm definitely going to think about getting some of the right plants in for the long-tongued bees.
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Message 10
Posted by ellenkay (U11471453) on Friday, 29th May 2009
I thought it was a very interesting programme tonight and I feel that the presenters are feeling more comfortable with their new garden. I loved Carol's piece with aquilegias and yes I have shed envy too. I thought their garden was amazing and definitely unique
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Message 11
Posted by Sourthistle (U13911839) on Friday, 29th May 2009
Helping the bees is a good point, but Toby on learning how bees carry the pollen back, said that he learnt something knew every day.
I knew about bees when I was 5 yrs old.
Wonder if he has learned about the birds yet!!!! -
Message 12
Posted by dwarfbean (U13754109) on Friday, 29th May 2009
Must say that I enjoyed this evenings programme.
There was plenty of variety in themes and topics.
I really enjoyed the bee feature and am about to introduce some of the plants mentioned into my own garden.
Things are improving. Keep up the good work.
Good work sticker
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Message 13
Posted by Tigger76 (U6762134) on Friday, 29th May 2009
It was a good show tonight. Alys is fab and I want those sheds!
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Message 14
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Probably the best effort this present team have put together so far, although I feel that Alys is a tad fragile for some of the heavier tasks she tries.
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Message 15
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
1st programme of the series that wasn't embarrassing for them. Getting more and more like BG...
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Message 16
Posted by groundelder (U11750698) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
The best GW of the season so far.
Carol and Joe easy to watch and personable, Toby and Alys starting to get there.
Interesting and informative, shed man brilliant.
GW was almost like meeting a long-lost friend! -
Message 17
Posted by Seacarrot (U3012141) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
I liked the bit's I did see, but i'm at a loss to what the point about giving shoppers leaflets about Allotments was for..?
Are they wanting people to take up allotments on a site where people left because of incessant vandalism, where so far there is still no fencing or preventative measures taken..?
Surely fence, tidy up, then recruitment campaign..?? In that order..??
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Message 18
Posted by Holbert (U3994703) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
The best GW of the season so far.
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This is the first one of the series I didn't watch any of, having decided to give up on it! 
Oh well, I can always skim through it on i player I suppose! -
Message 19
Posted by TomBradbury (U3349234) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
I suspect the reason why people left the allotment is because of a series of different events, not just because of vandalism. You only have to lose 3 or 4 well established allotment keepers to create a vacuum that never recovers. Other keepers then leave or give up and nobody is there to step in and take over. As soon as it starts to look like rack and ruin, the bad element gets in - there are fewer allotment members to shoo off unwanted loutish behaviour and then it becomes ever quieter area so more unwanted loutish behaviour develops. A downward spiral. If GW managed to get 10 people interested in taking on an allotment it could see the revival. And if the council realise people are serious about it, then they will install the much needed fence, which the allotment guy mentioned several times, but Joe Swift managed to let it go completely over his head several times and just kept on saying that they needed to get new allotment keepers. GW not getting into that business, I thought, but good of the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú GW producer/editor to leave the comment in to hammer the comment home to the local council!
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Message 20
Posted by TomBradbury (U3349234) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Oh, and forgot to say, that I also thought last nights program was a much needed improvement on all the previous weeks. No over the top / unnecessary banter between presenters, and I think I even heard a few comments of praise between them - a real spirit of working together, not trying to be competitive with each other. I'm still not so keen on the shed bit at the end with the 'what's hot/what's not', but if the rest of the programme in future will be anything like last night, I think the new GW will grow on me. Pardon the pun!
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Message 21
Posted by geranium (U7743914) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Enjoyed GW again. Loved the bee border. Will be interested to see what happens to the tomatoes. Tried to grow mine last year in pots in my new [first] greenhouse-not a great success- so need some tips for this year. Bit alarmed that Alys thinks 3 are too many in a bag as that could mean disaster again.
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Message 22
Posted by TomBradbury (U3349234) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
My Grandad always grew his toms in grow bags - three to a bag. His top tips for me when I was young was to nip out the side shoots from the stems to keep the plant from growing bushy, and to only nip out the top when it reached the height of the glass in the greenhouse. Everyday - morning and early evening, he would wander around the greenhouse shaking the sticks to get the pollen moving around and in the morning, he would water copiously with Tomatorite. He never confessed to talking to them, but he often enjoyed a nice King Edward cigar in the greenhouse, which probably explains why he never really suffered from bugs!
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Message 23
Posted by Tigerredwood (U13742280) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Hello All
The negative parts, Toby walking over the newly dug bed that has heavy clay in it compacting it again. Joe not removing the green supporting tape from the climber he planted on the North facing wall. The iritating whoosh sounds have crept back in again linking the plants scenes. The fast forward tape sounds linking the scene between Toby And Joe planting on both sides of the wall. The out of focus shot on the red clematis flower. Poor Alys having to loosen the clay with a grown up fork. The whats hot thingy, a total waste of time, why not have a plant surgery in that piece of the show?
The positives, the Latin names and the common names with the plants
more actual gardening Getting better but still room for a lot of improvement, i.e. tips about maintenance, pruning, feeding, cuttings, about the plants that are being worked on. -
Message 24
Posted by Tigerredwood (U13742280) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Hello Again
I forgot the best part Carole showing learners how to make cuttings and the worthwhile information with it -
Message 25
Posted by welshcol (U2301689) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Certainly a watchable episode generating the odd useful gardening tip and smirk. Still cant be at ease with Carol K but I think the Toby & Alys double act is being honed and improving.
Not vintage GW but palatable vin de table IMHO.
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Message 26
Posted by TomBradbury (U3349234) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
>Toby walking over the newly dug bed that has heavy clay in it compacting it again
What was he supposed to do - hover over it. Or make a complete detour, walking out of camera shot one side of the screen and walking back in to camera shot on the other side of the screen? Sometimes they have to do things because it's telly.
>Joe not removing the green supporting tape from the climber he planted on the North facing wall.
They just rot down or the staple rusts and then disappears - but what's the problem - it is below ground - and again, it's telly where airtime costs money.
>The iritating whoosh sounds have crept back in again linking the plants scenes. The fast forward tape sounds linking the scene between Toby And Joe planting on both sides of the wall.
Media TV people don't like protracted long or even short periods of silence.
>The out of focus shot on the red clematis flower.
I thought it was just my eyesight.
>Poor Alys having to loosen the clay with a grown up fork.
Perhaps that's because she is a grown up.
>The whats hot thingy, a total waste of time, why not have a plant surgery in that piece of the show?
At least we agree on something.
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Message 27
Posted by Tigerredwood (U13742280) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Hello Tim Burr
Nearly everybody knows that walking on freshly dug over clay soil is a major no no. I personally would have used the obvious path that ran next to the bed to stop unneccessary compaction, telly or not.
Not removing the tape hoping that it will rot down is just plain slovenly work and could restrict the plant growth.
Some of us do not have the attention span of a goldfish and don't need to be entertained in this annoying fashion with whoosh sounds for the sake of it. Poor Alys was out of her depth with the clay digging and looked like she would have a heart attack with the effort she was putting in, poor fragile Alys grown up or not, one of the guys should have shown how to do it as she looked like she was going to snap. -
Message 28
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
The best programme at Greenacres so far - although the opposition hasn't been stiff.
I agree with Toby about lavender 'Sawyers' being one of the best - it's my favourite.
Other than that I can't remember much apart from the tomato grow bags and nice shedman although it isn't impossible that I fell asleep. -
Message 29
Posted by jungle_jane (U1807090) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
The whats hot thingy, a total waste of time, why not have a plant surgery in that piece of the show?Ìý
That's a very good idea! People sending in their questions about whats wrong with their plants. Could help even more people out than giving their opinion on things that don't matter. -
Message 30
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
>Poor Alys having to loosen the clay with a grown up fork.<
I wouldn't worry, that 1 square foot patch would have been specially left by the army of navvies who'll have dug over the garden -
Message 31
Posted by Tigerredwood (U13742280) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Hello JJ
You spotted that too
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Message 32
Posted by quitedutchbrit (U10671966) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Anyone noticed that Alys talks like Toby now.....
No 't's'
i(t) i(s) isn(t) i(t)'?
Soon she'll be doin(g) the Toby
diggin(g), waterin(g), hoein(g), movin(g) i(t) etc etc.
Irritatin' is'n i'? -
Message 33
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Since the 'Gnome Man' I was a bit concerned about them inviting another eccentric on to the show....But guess what? I just loved the inclusion of the shed man and his adoring wife.
Who could fail to be impressed by this talented and all round good egg, who brings so much happiness to those around him? -
Message 34
Posted by Holbert (U3994703) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
Although I didn't watch the programme (
) I was pleased to see that GW was on in Wales on Friday this week, along with the rest of Britain, instead of being on Saturday, a day later than the rest of Britain as is usual. Hurrah!!
(I'm slightly suspicious tho that we will be getting a double dose of rugby next Friday *and* Saturday, to compensate for this
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Message 35
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
I thought there was a lot of good material in this one. Plenty of ideas that anyone can do, loads of plants, lots of good close ups.
All credit to Joe for putting forward straightforward, cheap, reliable, easy to get hold of plants i.e. Ajuga and Clematis montana. Still feel that Toby is trying a bit hard to impress with his Echiums and posh clematis. I wouldn't put broken pots round the bottom either - a slug haven!
Carol taking cuttings - excellent. Might be an idea to show that it's OK not to use clay pots - not everyone can get hold of them.
Alys has enough confidence to let Toby take the best ideas forward with the toms. Again, as the new boy I think he's trying a bit to hard to win points, but I'm sure that will change. -
Message 36
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Saturday, 30th May 2009
I thought the Shed Man was absolutely brilliant, what talent, and the programme was much better than those shown previously. Still not entirely won over though.
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Message 37
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
Haven't got to the shed man yet. I've sat down to watch my recording of this 4 times now but find I can't cope with all the blather for more than a few minutes at a time.
It is just such a messy hotch potch of badly filmed, badly prepared, disjointed sequences of stuff. Why, for example, are they knowingly planting up a whole bed, including a hedge of lavenders, which they know to be on a pan of clay when not so long at ago at Berryfields we had to go through the whole performance of lifting every single plant in the long borders and double digging to deal with that very problem - a pan of solid clay. Doh!! -
Message 38
Posted by Sue Hall (U13984403) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
I'd like to say that I think the new GW format is great - a few teething problems, but then who doesn't have in a new format/team/location? Friday's programme was really interesting - loved Toby's bit about bees, it's great that there is an environmental 'angle' in the programme from time to time, all the pieces were relevant to me - had taken to watching Coronation Street instead of GW when it was at Berryfields - nothing against Monty, but the vast rolling acres of the Long Borders and the huge expanse of pond were a bit too smug for my postage-stamp garden.
Well done Toby et al! Keep up the good work, really looking forward to seeing how all the different Greenacre 'gardens' work out, it's a really great idea and should have a far greater relevance to a wider viewing audience. -
Message 39
Posted by Poppy55 (U10228702) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
I thought it was only me
What horrid programs these last ones. The men (even I forgot the names) are always in huge gardens and building things, leaving very little to plants.
It looks everybody in UK live in huge houses with huge extensions of field and lot of money to do all what they do. Is it not a way to show off? Maybe they live like that and think everybody does??
At least Carol put her hands on earth and discuss interesting things.
It is very sad, that vision of garden is changing dramaticaly and "thanks" to tv presenters, we are loosing the beautiful traditional gardens to change to stones, parking and places for barbecues..."Plants, yes only a small pot in the corner, it could be useful for cigarrettes when finishing of smoking" -
Message 40
Posted by darren p (U8518743) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
i agree with you jovialsnail.... plants are now a small part of a garden. not good.
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Message 41
Posted by wheatpippin (U13970485) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
This is the 'flagship horticultural program' of the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú. So being a bit less rubbish than usual is just not good enough. It really irritates me for loads of reasons but mainly that it's not believable. Not in the Chelsea show garden sense of unbelievable - how did they do it? But in the 'I don't believe you have done it'sense.
I don't believe any of the presenters dug the Bee Border. They talk about the importance of design and then 100s of plants miraculously appear for them struggle with. No planting plan, no guide to planting distances and just some vague talk of drifts and blocks when the plants were already there. No after care or mulch in view of the hot summer predicted. If you get out of breath digging a small hole you are doing something wrong.
They leave more mess than when they started, trampling over borders, spilling compost, mixing soil into the gravel paths. Shouldn't they have put the growbags into place before cutting them as they would be a nightmare to shift afterwards. Again no after care, were they going into the glasshouse, the canes would not support the plants, what about feeding and watering? I can't believe any gardener worth his salt would fix a brand new fork (around £70)and a brand new spade (same price) to their shed doors! Is this just product placement?
Joe, the garden design just seems pointless at present and you are every client's worse nightmare of a landscaper, who starts the job then walks off site. If the lawn is to be retained then most contractors would use boards to protect it during the consruction of the path. The reason people lost interest in the allotments was because there was no perimeter fence, so hurling packets of seeds at unsuspecting passers-by is not helpful.
For me, GW should be Believable, Educational and Practical, Helpful, Relaxing, Instructional, Inspirational and Pioneering. At present it is not fulfilling any of this.
Sorry to harp on negatively for so long. Beechgrove was good though wasn't it? -
Message 42
Posted by darren p (U8518743) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
i do not believe the presenters digging the boarders matters- they are employed to bring the show to us.
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Message 43
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
Friday evening, 8pm I switched the TV off and took a glass of wine out into the garden, potted on a few seedlings and listened to the birds sing. Gardening heaven!
RIP Gardeners World. -
Message 44
Posted by Amazing (U7102651) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
I do hope you watched Beechgrove Garden at 7;30 first:
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Message 45
Posted by Stormy_Pink (U13912310) on Sunday, 31st May 2009
I catch it on i-player Amazing
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Message 46
Posted by Pumpkin (U13922940) on Monday, 1st June 2009
I like GW but I thought the "shed man" was a bit out of place and was more suited to one of those C4 property programmes, as for the allotments in Liverpool this was the nearest I have seen the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú get to a council estate shame they don't show us real back gardens instead those of the super rich all the time. also Joe I think cement sets via a chemical reaction so it doesn't matter if it rains when laying bricks....Anyway I enjoyed 95% of it.
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Message 47
Posted by David K (U2221642) on Monday, 1st June 2009
All of a sudden I feel sorry for the programme makers!!..I thought the 'shed man' was the best part.
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Message 48
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Tuesday, 2nd June 2009
For the first time this series I really enjoyed the programme. Indeed, I was actually lapping it up and haven't felt this way about GW for a very long time. There was more attention to detail and less blokishness from Toby and Joe. I particularly liked Toby's grow bag idea.
Downside this week: Joe's path. All in all, very good advice but it appeared the finished level of the path would be above the level of the lawn so the lawn would be a nightmare to mow. Should have been an inch below the lawn for ease of mowing.
Generally pleased they are beginning to show us the progress of previous planting and I hope they will continue so we can feel connected to different areas of the garden. I am starting to see the 'What's Hot' session at the end as a bit of quirky banter to finish off the show but would prefer the already mentioned plant clinic idea, a general letters section and a weekend weather briefing. 7/10.
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