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Posted by wheatpippin (U13970485) on Friday, 3rd July 2009
Arrogance or ignorance? So the wall, shed and glasshouse were constructed without planning permission, this is the reply I had from Birmingham Council.
In response to your enquiry below, no planning permission was required for the change of use of the land adjacent to Winterbourne from a rugby pitch to horticultural land.
A retrospective planning application was submitted by the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú in April for the erection of the shed, L-shaped brick wall and greenhouse on the land.
This was approved on the 11th June under Planning Application Ref.
S/01759/09/FUL. This application including plans can be viewed on our Birmingham City Council website under planning applications.
The documents are well worth a look.
Do you live next door or something?
Does it come as any surprise that planning permission has been granted?
If it was you of me they would be down on us like a ton of bricks and we would have to knock everything down.
Planning Officers the blight on every part of the UK
Nope, but thought the buildings would require planning and couldn't find any application on the Birmingham Council site. It was the video clip of Toby turning up on site without a compass and his kids pencils that had me shuddering with disbelief. So unprofessional and offhand
, in reply to message 4.
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 3rd July 2009
This is a disgrace! And when you think that poor old national treasure Sir Cliff Richard has been told to pull down his £300,000 conservatory as he hadn't got planning permission! There's one rule for the Beeb and another for Cliff Richard!
Yes but you would think when someone is forking out vast amount of money, they would try and find out whether what they are going to do is legal. I don't feel sorry for Cliff. I think he was being big headed not to bother about finding out first before the work started.
Sir Cliff's house may have been listed... lots of different rules apply.
Although there's recently been a relaxation in planning rules for things like sheds or outbuildings, I thought the relaxation still only applied to those without a power supply or water — i.e. non-habitable. The Greenacres one looks pretty cushy to me.
And change of use to 'agricultural' still doesn't cover making it into a garden, it's what it says it is: agricultural! Now gardens are classed as 'brown-field' there's the possibility that the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú could develop the land when GW pops its clogs.
It's in Harbourne, an uber rich area of Birmingham. It's in a conservation area and next to a SSSI site. A glasshouse has been demolished to make way for parking. No public access is planned to this prime site.
Dont you have any gardening to do?
What ever prompted you to even ask?
Dont you have any gardening to do?
Yes,loads. But I do take 10 mins off now and again. I find that this garden message board is more informative than the QW program.
What ever prompted you to even ask?
See Message 4. Planning applications are a matter of public record and easy to find if they exist. Nobody can object if they don't. So let's hope the rugby players are enjoying the program as much as the presenters' relatives
I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask and I'm glad you did WP. I have to think that if playing fields have to be sold it's better they end up as a garden base for TV than as more housing but find it amazing that the Beeb, with all its advisors, neglected to get planning permission un advance.
I find it stupid and arrogant and a potential waste of licence fees if they'd been refused so foolhardy and irresponsible too.
With no home and a new season starting late as it was, I can only presume that they had the 'nod' from the planners in anticipation of full permission and decided to go ahead.
It would indeed be poor if they just forgot - I can't see that being the case since the Council would have been involved from the start. It would also have been hugely embarrassing if the nod proved incorrect.
Whatever the circumstances, it sets a very bad example for the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú to build something without planning permission. I think they should have explained that they were waiting for planning and done other things in the meantime.
They don't need those 9' high walls anyway!!
So let's hope the rugby players are enjoying the program as much as the presenters' relativesÂ
Last time I checked, rugby isn't doing too badly in this country, whereas our wildlife, that a garden like this would encourage, isn't!
Sorry, but is all this just another go at GW and the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú or what?
Actually without the 9 foot walls there would be absolutely no shade on site for years until the shrubs and trees have matured, so there would be no shady garden tips for ages without those walls.
The old greenhouses will be use for major seed raising for next year, as the Beeb will be cutting their budget year on year, I think raising plants from seed will feature rather heavily in the future.
I can see that the 9' walls substitute for house walls. And I can see that the greehouse - if it must be a bespoke lean to - needs such a wall.
But most people who have a greenhouse have a standalone one, because that's the easiest and cheapest. And very few people garden right against their house walls because they usually have patios etc.
More commonly, people garden against up to 6' inter-garden walls, fences, hedges or under the shade of trees. It looked mighty odd to me to be planting potatoes under the shade of a 9' wall. I can't think where on earth anyone else might have to do that.
So I stand by my argument!
... Crouchee - do I detect from your reply that you've been to Greenacres for your celebratory visit?
OOH yes, see garden inspirations! I'll be at Tatton, so I can dish the really heinous stuff face to face.
They put potatoes under the east facing wall to get the soil in good heart this year, and to compare potato varieties later in the season, there will probably be a fan morello cherry here in the future.
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