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Met Office 'announce' another wet 'summer'

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  Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  Met Office announced this morning that it will rain for the next couple of weeks after forecasting a barbeque summer.
  This will be the third wet summer in a row.
  If they cannot even predict the weather 3 months in advance how can they be so sure about global warming.
  
  

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  Posted by Loodig (U7952250) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  I know the garden needs watering but the past few weeks have been OTT. Anyway, we had our summer..wasnt it 3 weeks in June?

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  Posted by jo4eyes (U13654107) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  Having just heard the Met office trying to justify themselves on R4 news you could be right Loodig.

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  Posted by happytobyfan (U13663471) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  <quoteMet Office announced this morning that it will rain for the next couple of weeks</quote>
  
  Given their record on getting it right, this could be good news - we always seem to get the complete opposite to what they 'predict' (I use the word loosely
  
  Talking about 'Global Warming' - does anyone remember the summer we had 3 years ago - the 'heatwave' one. The TV coverage of Gardeners' World Live had quite a lengthy interview with someone from the Met Office. He told us all what the weather was going to be like in 50 years time (no, I didn't dream it). Monty Don subsequently devoted a lot of time on the normal Gardeners' World prgrammes on 'drought tolerant plants' which we would all be needing. That summer has been followed by what must be amongst the 3 wettest summers in a long time. The one after the 'prediction' was so wet, it actually broke a lot of records - Priceless !!
  
  At least it must have made the Met Office happy - to think that someone, somewhere actually believes the rubbish that they get paid a fortune to pass on to us

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  Posted by happytobyfan (U13663471) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  oops- forgot to close the 'quotation' thingy !!!

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  Posted by Pip (U2800217) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  Yes, this really annoys me. The Met Office can't get the weather right from day to day. HOw do they have the nerve to pontificate about the distant future?

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  Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  There you are then. It's all Monty's fault for going droughty on us.
  
  Why he, and this GW too, can't stick to what does well in each place is beyond me. loo at all the effort they went to to make sure they got fierce drainage in that dry garden and now look at them doing more jungley planting against what they hope will be a heat retaining wall.
  
  What if we get another winter like the last one?

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  Posted by jo4eyes (U13654107) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  It'll all die Obelixx, unless people live in the South/ on the coast/ in London etc.
  
  I've just completely stripped bedding, including a mattress cover, so we better get some dry weather soon or i can see me frantically tumbling everything when daughter announces a visit. Torrential here now. J.

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  Posted by poshHebeJeebie (U9319867) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  To be fair, Rowan, they didn't predict a BBQ summer - just that there was an odds on chance of one (summat like 65% probability).
  
  However, it is just so darned frustrating looking at it raining stair-rods all day. We have gleams of sunshine here in the west at the moment (8pm) - but it's stil b****y raining! Oh, well, good for rainbows if nothing else!

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  Posted by crouchee (U13371975) on Wednesday, 29th July 2009

  I remember when I used to live in Scotland and nearly every summer was like this for the most part! When I first heard the term 'global warming'
  I immediately thought "about bl***y time too!"
  
  My outdoor tomatoes are showing the first signs of blight......

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  Posted by groovygran (U2934690) on Monday, 3rd August 2009

  What I can't understand is - the country is on the same latitude as Canada, and the Gulf Stream is what makes our 'climate' mild. If, with the advent of global warming we are likely to lose the effects of the Gulf Stream surely our weather would get colder, or stay near enough the same? Especially with all the melting icebergs/pack ice. That's going to reduce the ocean's warmth.

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  Posted by groovygran (U2934690) on Monday, 3rd August 2009

  Just think what a major export business could be developed, if global warming does occur. This country could export water to all those drought stricken countries in the tropics!

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  Posted by poshHebeJeebie (U9319867) on Monday, 3rd August 2009

  Groovygran: the latitude only has a partial impact on climate - the proximity (or otherwise) to the oceans and/or Gulf Stream does!
  
  Everyone takes it as a fact that there is global warming (latterly called "climate change") and that the cause is human intervention.
  
  The basic science is, if allowed (and often it is not) questionable. The main premise may be flawed, and the "hockey stick" graph model is inaccurate. But we are obliged to ignore alternative scientific analysis, and accept what has become "conventional wisdom".
  
  I think the jury is still out. But unfortunately, both sides of the argument are not being heard/discussed in equal measure.
  
  I continue to read. I keep an open mind. I am not convinced about this global warming thing. Yet.
  
  PHJ
  
  

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  Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Monday, 3rd August 2009

  The great global warming scam is just another tax opportunity for the UK.
  This was interesting today and did not get a great deal of publicity (as normal)
  
  Cannot wait for warmer summer by the looks starting next year

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  Posted by poshHebeJeebie (U9319867) on Monday, 3rd August 2009

  Pity those who have planted for Mediterranean dry gardens, Rowan. How many thousands of pounds have been wasted by people planting the wrong plants in anticipation? Hmmmmm
  
  And a tax is a tax. It raises revenue. If "green taxes" were effective, the would be self-defeating ie everyone would 'buy into' the need to change (or whatever) and the revenue would fall. And the Government plans for this reduced income? I don't think so!

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  Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 3rd August 2009

  Some data sources for you:
  
  The research post in Manua Lao in Hawaii have been recording atmospheric CO2 levels since 1959, based on a hunch that human use of fossil fuels (i.e. burning CO2 that had been locked up for millenia) might be changing CO2 levels. Records started at 315ppm and reached 385ppm in 2008. The figures have risen every year since they started recording are are clearly still rising. Here's the link to the home page:
  
  
  
  So what? Here's what. At the Vostok research station in Russia they have measured atmospheric CO2 levels going back 400,000 years using bubbles in ice cores. Huge swings take place over thousands of years, but the range is typically 180 to a maximum of 300ppm - 20% lower than at present. Here's the main link. (kyr = 1000 years)
  
  
  
  Deuterium levels in the same samples can be used to deduce atmospheric temperatures and there is a close correlation - temperature rises in proportion to CO2 with a time lag delay. Here's one link - there are many more.
  
  
  
  There's no interpretation in these links - all are raw data.
  
  You don't need to believe or not believe anyone or any media spin. Don't be put off by the graphs and numbers. Just take a look and work it out for yourself!
  
  
  
  
  

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  Posted by PenylanSue (U13901201) on Tuesday, 4th August 2009

  Thanks for the information Trillium. I believe we humans are having a massive impact on climate change. I know it happens naturally anyway but I think we are making it worse.
  Before long we will run out of oil too.
  Cuba 'ran out of oil' several years ago and it was gardening and agriculture that saved them.
  
  For those of you still using peat based composts please look at this link
  It's an important project happening near to me. Not only does it stop peat from being washed down the rivers, it locks up valuable CO2 and helps prevent flooding of the River Severn.
  The work is ongoing so all the benefits have not been felt yet.
  There's a nice film of Iolo Williams on it too.

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  Posted by PenylanSue (U13901201) on Tuesday, 4th August 2009

  And when you've all read that one then try this one, Sue
  

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