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What would you like to see on GW?
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Message 1.Â
Posted by girlgardener (U14297749) on Wednesday, 13th January 2010
rather than the usual old moans about what we don't want to see and grumbling about presenters - how about letting the producers know what we would like GW to cover?
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Message 2
Posted by poshHebeJeebie (U9319867) on Wednesday, 13th January 2010
Seasonal, relevant advice.
Forward planning - with appropriate timescales.
PHJ
Sums up gardening, really! -
Message 3
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Wednesday, 13th January 2010
Hi gardengirl
How about the presenters just read back the last 4 years of the TV gardening board. There are loads of threads each year saying exactly what posters would like to see in Gardeners' World.
I think if you care to read them too you will notice that people have been making constructive criticisms rather than what you dismiss as moaning. Had the producers of GW taken any of this on board at an early stage, rather than just going into denial, the program could have been saved. I personally think it is now past the point. -
Message 4
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Wednesday, 13th January 2010
Holly,
Could not agree more, we are always told we are moaning when actually trying to give advice.
Last season finished it for me I stopped watching.
It appears I voted with my switch as the producers are now saying the fall in viewing figures is what made them look at changes.
In future I will not moan on here I will just switch off. -
Message 5
Posted by pinesgate (U14298581) on Thursday, 14th January 2010
The current Radio Times invites us to post comments. I stopped watching GW some time ago when it became too simplistic. There is a case for a beginners' gardening programme but also one for experienced gardeners - this needs to be visionary, dealing with whole gardens and concepts ; taking us through the seasons and showing how an entire garden comes together. Within this there is scope for more specific items - e.g. particular plants, pests & diseases etc but these should not dominate. Also, reduce the number of people involved - more garden less chat please.
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Message 6
Posted by Holbert (U3994703) on Friday, 15th January 2010
I voted with the TV off button too last year.
What I would like to see more of are the genuine plantsmanship skills, demonstrated by Carol in particular. I would like to see more design by Joe, particularly involving perennials we can all sow from seed so it doesn't cost a bomb to plant up a border. And I would then like to see such projects on an ongoing basis so we can see what they look like later in the season.
In the last series they seemed to do things like planting up a hanging basket using lawn clippings as a liner (which a lot of us scoffed at and said would look a right mess after a few weeks) but we never saw it again so don't know whether we were right or not.
What I would not like to see, is someone showing me how to open a packet of carrot seeds and then sowing them in that effing olive oil can for the umpteenth time. Seeing carrots sown in that flipping olive oil can again is likely to make me scream and switch off the next series straight away!
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Message 7
Posted by garrigillgal (U14258845) on Friday, 15th January 2010
- ooppps - I didn't think we were moaning - must be my age - I must admit I did a lot of shouting at the tele. last year when the last series of GW was on.......
I'd like to see plant combinations - someone else mentioned a flag up of the plants being used so we could write them down - also the follow through from planting / sowing to full flower etc. also with veg.
Beautiful camera work and inspired garden interspersed with droll humour - then I'd be happy and shut up....maybe -
Message 8
Posted by germinator (U13411914) on Saturday, 16th January 2010
1/ Mr Titchmarsh's retirement.
2/ A ban on gimmicky presentation and the use of music.
3/ A UK tour of allotments, showing what people actually do/grow.
4/ Cultivation trials.
5/ A Q & A session, using letters and or e-mails. -
Message 9
Posted by gabrieloak (U14302136) on Saturday, 16th January 2010
So agree with Gay Search(D.T.)last week. She puts the case against the present G.W.format succinctly. There is too much idle chat between Joe and Toby. The 30 min challenge a waste of time.Carol Kleins teach-in of "lucky winners" poor in the extreme. She may know herself, but not to teach others.So perhaps less of her and Joe, and more info for experienced gardeners who want to know more about latest varieties and techniques. Visiting other gardens welcomed but not the frenetic competions to find the "Winner"
Remember how popular Geoff Hamilton was and figure out why!! -
Message 10
Posted by darren p (U8518743) on Saturday, 16th January 2010
big clue- the title....errr... GARDENERS WORLD!. gardens.plants. flowers.
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Message 11
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Saturday, 16th January 2010
Well I say, Alan Titchmarsh will be back doing a series of Garden secrets with some hands on.
Monty Don is back with a Journey through Italy and his favourite gardens.
Monty says GW is a national institution and should be grounded on practical gardening.
Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú must have taken note of the big switch off by gardeners and did not pick up the expected viewers for their funky new show.
Just goes to show voting with your switch off button as I did last year works. -
Message 12
Posted by gardener54321 (U14292990) on Sunday, 17th January 2010
I hoe they do not forget the beginners (we are not all experts) and also a Q & A session.
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Message 13
Posted by drwalter (U1365507) on Sunday, 17th January 2010
Well, why should we have to help the well Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú Production Team?
All they have to do is go onto AMAZON (other shopping sites available...) and order a DVD copy of THE GEOFF HAMILTON COLLECTION 3-disc set.
All the answers are in there!
Dr. Walter (44 years old - am I the target audience? professional, amateur and with a disposable income to spend on leisure gardening?) -
Message 14
Posted by sunshinesuzy (U14309890) on Friday, 22nd January 2010
'Real' gardening please from people with lengthy basic gardening experience and qualifications (not designers or jewellers or wannabes sanctioned by the RHS......
How to grow plants, appreciate our garden history, scientific advances - sprays, composts etc., our huge number of specialist plant societies (the ones who can't meet at Wisley any more because they can't afford to pay)...
No more 'personality' gardens, much less 'design' nonsense, no kids.
An end to promotion of all things RHS - they no longer have the best interests of gardening or horticulture at heart.
No more wildlife, climate 'change' and environmental peat free clap-trap from unqualified people who don't know what they are talking about. -
Message 15
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Friday, 22nd January 2010
It seems to me that there is disagreement about what "real" gardening is.
The muck and magic of Geoff Hamilton is what drew me in and I watched AT because I knew that he was experienced and that he was committed to the garden, which was his own. From that point on I lost interest because I felt that the programme had lost its "essence"....
Perhaps the essence is best summed up by a recognisable gardening philosophy, expressed by an experienced and aware presenter who is committed to sound gardening priciples, to the viewers and to the best that is around for gardens and gardeners. He/she should not be afraid to ackowledge the diversity of gardening practice and the passions of gardeners. Other passionate gardeners could be occasional guests and news of gardening events could be given instead of the weather report.
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Message 16
Posted by fynch (U14268213) on Sunday, 24th January 2010
When they had to bin the guy who presented I've Got News for you they had a different presenter each week...It is not the content. Let us be honest you need basic techniques for new gardeners. New Plants and ideas for experienced gardeners. Most important a presenter who the viwers like. It is not rocket science. THE Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú do not telling that. They have been told and ignored it theycontinue and like Brown will do so until we throw them out
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Message 17
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Sunday, 24th January 2010
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I love the name. I'm almost tempted to change mine to Bathsheba! "And at home by the fire, whenever you look up, there I shall be..."
A wonderful book. -
Message 18
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Sunday, 24th January 2010
I thought the same, ArtemisH.
And also, "When Gabriel Oak smiled ..... " a superb way to introduce a character and to seduce women readers.
Your own name is pretty evocative too.
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Message 19
Posted by daisydelight (U14163419) on Monday, 25th January 2010
I love to see information about how to grow and tend to particular plants (old ones and new ones) and lots of information about what to do when something isn't thriving. Lots and lots of interesting plants please.
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Message 20
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Monday, 25th January 2010
I agree Daisyd. I used to love seeing all the plants on the programmes from the Chelsea Flower Show but even that has become too much chat.
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Message 21
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Monday, 25th January 2010
seduce women readers.Â
Yes!
He's not just a smiling angel, not just a smiling archangel but an oak too. "The stuff that dreams are made on", indeed!
How nice you like the name Artemis; but, talking of -
Message 22
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Monday, 25th January 2010
Message posted by ArtemisH
<quoteseduce women readers.</quote>
(My computer appears to have a mind of its own today. I was scrolling down the page, while still in midsentence, when my message became posted!)
Yes!
He's not just a smiling angel, not just a smiling archangel but an oak too. "The stuff that dreams are made on", indeed!
How nice you like the name Artemis; but, talking of evocative names, I think yours is a topper.
And here is the real thing!
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Message 23
Posted by Pete-Free (U7363826) on Monday, 25th January 2010
GW should be on all year round. The great British preoccupation with Gardening doesn't stop in winter. It's the perfect time of year for ideas and plans for the season ahead to be hatched. Therein lies much programme-making potential. Truly.
Anyone else of the same mind? -
Message 24
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Monday, 25th January 2010
Yes, Pete Free. Must admit I have trawled the channels recently and wished for something to do with gardening. Have even watched Midsomer Murders for the gardens. There is a programme on Ceebebies called "The Green Balloon Club" that I enjoyed with my granddaughter, and sometimes Poirot spends time in a nice garden. Not enough on at all to satisfy my garden hunger.
Artemis, you look lovely, but I would put a cardi on if I were you.
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Message 25
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Monday, 25th January 2010
I would put a cardi on if I were you.Â
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Message 26
Posted by daisydelight (U14163419) on Tuesday, 26th January 2010
Yes, it has. A brief look and the name of the plant and then onto the next celebrity lucky enough to be able to go - whether they're into gardening or not.
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Message 27
Posted by novicetyro (U14209429) on Tuesday, 26th January 2010
I aggree that GW is almost past it's sell by date.
I hardley watched the last series, I occasionally taped the programme if the TV write up seamed interesting. I lost a lot of interest when Toby showed how to take cuttings from Viola's. Another gripe I have is when Carol gardens in designer clothes, she always looks as if she has just turned up for that particular shoot. I think Chris should be asked to take over,he has genuine enthusiasm for the job. -
Message 28
Posted by garrigillgal (U14258845) on Wednesday, 27th January 2010
Morning Novicetryo -
Another gripe I have is when Carol gardens in designer clothes, she always looks as if she has just turned up for that particular shoot. Â
aw - I think Carol's sunny clothes reflect her enthusiastic personality - just seem 'right' for her, although I must admit all my gardening clothes are various shades of mud......... -
Message 29
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Wednesday, 27th January 2010
Carol gardens in designer clothesÂ
I almost don't believe my eyes. Are people so silly as to comment on a gardener's jeans and tops!
As a matter of fact, for many of us she appears to be the only one who actually knows her stuff. -
Message 30
Posted by garrigillgal (U14258845) on Wednesday, 27th January 2010
ArtemisH - I was trying to comment in a positive and light-hearted way thinking to stick up for Carol who I love without resorting to denigrating other posters and their points of view -
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Message 31
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Thursday, 28th January 2010
Carol who I loveÂ
I neither love nor hate anybody whom I have never met in my life; however, I do become rather exasperated with those who, in my opinion, make silly comments.
I have read comments about G'sW presenters such as, "take those earrings off, they're putting me off my soup"(!!); or, "fading fast, Rache,eh"; or even calling a presenter whom some person doesn't like, "an empty man".
When adults hide behind their anonymity simply to be unpleasant, I find that even my tolerance has, sometimes, its limits! -
Message 32
Posted by garrigillgal (U14258845) on Thursday, 28th January 2010
ArtemisH
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Message 33
Posted by Duanna (U14145193) on Friday, 29th January 2010
Carol who I love Â
.....think ggg was being expansive not literal -
I understood her anyway - and I 'love' Carol too... -
Message 34
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Friday, 29th January 2010
When adults hide behind their anonymity simply to be unpleasant, I find that even my tolerance has, sometimes, its limits!Â
As someone who has never hidden behind anonymity, can I simply point out that you yourself have resorted to just this type of rebuke of fellow posters from your own position of safety. Your last couple of postings could easily be construed as 'offensive' by those of a sensitive nature (or on the receiving end), and it does seem contradictory to suggest that you're somehow offended by the behaviour of others. Why should anyone else shy clear of being confrontational, when you yourself appear quite happy to do so. Bear in mind also, that many of the people who appear as presenters, do so largely on the basis of their appearance, and it shouldn't be such a big deal to throw in the occasional comment on this subject. Personally, I wouldn't go down the 'gorgeous/ugly' path to describe a presenter, but have no hesitation at all in launching into other aspects of their appearance on screen. Scarves, coats, earrings and other assorted accoutrements are all fair game, as they're only worn to create an image for the presenter. The best way to 'punish' those of whom we don't approve, is to ignore them completely. By responding to your comments, I trust you'll appreciate that I don't place you in this category. -
Message 35
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Friday, 29th January 2010
think ggg was being expansive not literalÂ
Of course!
And I, too, find Carol exceptionally good.
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Message 36
Posted by Logissimo (U14020652) on Friday, 29th January 2010
I thought this bit was about what we want to see on GW, it seems to have turned into the usiual whinges and whines.
For me GW has to be topical, the right things at the right time.
The programme has probably to capture the interest of the beginner as well as the more experienced.
It should be based on a garden but one which is planned and the development followed to see the ultimate effects; disasters perhaps too. The occasional and apparently random planting of something here and something there doesn't float my boat.
Plants and cultivars used should be subtitled especially the more unusual ones.
The cost to ordinary punters of planting/structural projects should be shown and discussed.
Comparitive trials of techniques/varieties.
Present feature gardens to show how year round interest is achieved and demonstrate this in the base garden.
Just a few (not necessarily original) ideas to chew on -
Message 37
Posted by mattthegaffer (U14184801) on Saturday, 30th January 2010
Logissimo I agree. When I first started out in the industry I sat with my pen and paper waiting for the plant names to come up on screen, latin and common. I use the botanical names everyday so lets see this on our gardening programme. Its not rocket science and it doesnt end up belittling my industry. Facts, figures, inspiration, colour and entertainment surely can go hand in hand.
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Message 38
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 30th January 2010
Matt and logissimo, I completely agree re botanical names. I now give talks to gardening and non-gardening groups and always give the botanical names and sometimes the common name too as we go along. Yet a woman came up to me only last week and said she found my talk refreshingly down to earth, with no 'hi-falutin' latin. She simply hadn't noticed.
I think if you present the botanical names without fanfare, say the name clearly, in context perhaps with the plant's qualities or origins, and with obvious appreciation for the plant in question, there really is no problem - it doesn't alienate viewers at all. -
Message 39
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Sunday, 31st January 2010
I agree with the last three very sensible and reasonable posts.
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Message 40
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Monday, 1st February 2010
Most people would agree that when the presenter does the show from their own garden the show has the wow factor that keep viewers interested on what is going on, more love and affection shown towards the plants that they planted. Greenacres does not have that factor as nobody sees the development of the garden with magically appearing plants overnight and general sloppy ideas and workmanship.I would like to see the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú buy a piece of land and involve the viewers from the start. A head gardener to take control, journeymen to carry out the tasks and some apprentices to cover the learners in the show.I would like to see an Arboretum being planned and planted,a botanical garden for the different plants from around the globe that would survive in GB climate,a greenhouse for house plants,a plant surgery, an allotment with different plots to show people to grow veg if they are able bodied or not or whether they have to use chemicals or are fit enough to double dig and add manure.All sorts of experiments with the fruit and veg to prove which system being used give the best results.Fruit trees and shrubs being planted with all the different shapes that can be achieved with a bit of imagination.The apprentices could be followed on their quest to achieve certificates as they climb the ladder in their quest to be better gardeners.I would love to see a garden that people would "have" to visit, something along the lines of a permanent Chelsea Flower Show that could be visited by gardeners who would like to see the pinnacle in gardening. An ongoing gardening soap opera that would develop over years and be a feather in the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú's bonnet rather than the pathetic non descipt rubbish that is now being offered.
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Message 41
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Monday, 1st February 2010
Cloggies I found your post very moving. It was as if you were describing what you would do yourself if you had the wherewithal. I certainly would. What a dream.
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Message 42
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Monday, 1st February 2010
Summerchild
When I win the lottery I will give you a shout sweety
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Message 43
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Monday, 1st February 2010
To help keep the costs down in my fantasy Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú garden I am sure there are myriads of nurseries in GB who would be more than willing to donate trees, shrubs, flowers, seeds, greenhouses, tools, sheds,etc.etc.and above all qualified knowledge on how to achieve the best results for everyone to enjoy in their own garden.
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Message 44
Posted by garrigillgal (U14258845) on Monday, 1st February 2010
Cloggies - sounds lovely - can I pinch a wee bit of your fantasy garden for physic plants - I'm interested in those a la James Wong - Remembered Remedies as in Kew......then it would be complete - oh and some newts
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Message 45
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Monday, 1st February 2010
Garrigalgal
The main reason for my fantasy garden is that it would be a permanent fixture, as in the past presenters gardens have been forgotten when the presenter retired, died or just stopped doing the job and my way the show could just go on and on. Of course it was negligent of me to have omitted newts from the garden and I'm now sitting on the norty stair in shame.There is so much that could be in the show that the reduction to just 30 minutes as now is, is a travesty to all gardeners with all the subjects connected to gardening that could be covered. -
Message 46
Posted by dwarfbean (U13754109) on Monday, 1st February 2010
Cloggies, re message 43
Last year I began to watch Beechgrove on i player and I found it very interesting.
When you mention firms getting involved, one of the topics on Beechgrove that I remember was the construction of a "drive" using some stuff from Mar......ll's.
They put in a sub layer then these special blocks. Then, finally, just to show how it worked they tipped a digger full of water all over it. As if by magic the water disappeared.
Supposed to be the answer for those parts of the country where you need planning permission for a new drive.
However, I suppose that it works a bit like this. Free new driveway for part of Beechgrove. Free advert for Mars...ll's.
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Message 47
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Monday, 1st February 2010
Dwarfbean
I know that the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú have an anti advertising thingy in place but if gardening tools were being compared in quality and ease of use then surely there must be a way around the ban by giving the head gardeners opinion, not the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ús, on what tool he found was the best. Maybe that could also be applied on the other things needed in the garden so as not to incriminate Aunty. Unfortunately I live on the continent and can't get iplayer but reading other posters opinions on Beechgrove it is a program I would like to see on a regular basis.
Top gear regularly advertise different types of cars on their program so why not different types of gardening impliments on GW? -
Message 48
Posted by dwarfbean (U13754109) on Monday, 1st February 2010
Cloggies,
To give you a little idea of Beechgrove try
www.beechgrove.co.uk and have a look around the garden.
Enjoy
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Message 49
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Tuesday, 2nd February 2010
Cloggies, I agree with you re the comparison with Top Gear. How come TG can say anything they like about cars and be highly subjective about them, yet GW can't compare, say, peat-free composts in a reasonable trial and show the results?
The last one they did was laughable as the winner was 'our own home grown mix'. Not an option available to many people.... -
Message 50
Posted by garrigillgal (U14258845) on Tuesday, 2nd February 2010
GW can't compare, say, peat-free composts in a reasonable trial and show the results? Â
Morning Trillium - I remember a season or so ago Beechgrove doing comparison trials with different store bought composts showing the bags clearly compared with their own blend for which they gave the 'recipe'.
I would like the 'recipe' for some different mixes - say for seedlings etc. I know I could get it from books but I like to see stuff
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