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Public participation fatigue
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Message 1.Ìý
Posted by rainonroses (U14339513) on Sunday, 14th February 2010
Now I may get shot down for this, and indeed may be alone, but I am suffering from a new syndrome called public participation fatigue. It now seems to be compulsory on every new programme about doing anything, to include members of the public, usually complete beginners, whose "journey" we have to follow to the bitter or triumphant end. Nothing wrong with that idea in itself but I would like to submit that it has now been done to death.
I would love to see a programme in which people who are experts in their field (gardening, farming, wood turning, whatever) just do what they are expert at, expertly, and I am allowed to sit back and enjoy watching and learning, without the tension, and increasingly weary boredom, of being dragged into someone's personal drama. I find I don't actually much care if bodging a chair, planting a carrot or baking a fairy cake has been a life changing experience for these people. I wish the programme producers would trust the audience to have the intelligence and imagination to just watch the experts and take from it what they need. It's beginning to feel like Show and Tell at Junior School.
I particularly crave a programme in which people who are already smallholders or farmers, and maybe have been for generations, and are doing it extremely well and making a sensible living, just show us how they do it. Something along the lines of the Adam's Farm segment of Countryfile, expanded to an hour. I learn such a lot and enjoy it so much and no-one comes along to make a dog's dinner of shearing a sheep and then collapse in a corner, sobbing.
Does anyone out there agree? -
Message 2
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Sunday, 14th February 2010
>Does anyone out there agree?<
Yep. You need to buy the DVD of Harry Dodson in the Kitchen Garden series the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú did years ago, when there were no 'red buttons' to press, interweb links, and worries about being 'relevant' to noobs. -
Message 3
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Monday, 15th February 2010
I don't like the fake drama built into programmes where there's always a deadline. It's GOT to be finished in three days/a week. Plus the dramatic music in the background. It's been done to death.
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Message 4
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Monday, 15th February 2010
<quote>I particularly crave a programme in which people who are already smallholders or farmers, and maybe have been for generations, and are doing it extremely well and making a sensible living, just show us how they do it. Something along the lines of the Adam's Farm segment of Countryfile, expanded to an hour. I learn such a lot and enjoy it so much and no-one comes along to make a dog's dinner of shearing a sheep and then collapse in a corner, sobbing.
Does anyone out there agree?
100% agree (just can't figure out how to get the text that is outside the quote well .... outside) -
Message 5
Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Monday, 15th February 2010
(just can't figure out how to get the text that is outside the quote well .... outside)Ìý
Bluedoyenne, you need to close your speech marks at the end of the bit you're quoting. Then start a new paragraph. Simple when you know how! -
Message 6
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Monday, 15th February 2010
Bluedoyenne
At the end of quote
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the dash closes the quote. -
Message 7
Posted by rainonroses (U14339513) on Monday, 15th February 2010
Thanks for the post, Colin (and Bluedoyenne). I did actually catch the end of the Wartime Kitchen and Garden series, having read about it on this message board, and what a joy it was to watch Harry's quiet, unhurried competence. Ruth was the same in the kitchen. They both tried out new things, some of which worked and some of which didn't, but there's a world of difference between an expert extending their expertise and the tedious fumbling of beginners.
I came to serious gardening and allotment-holding through Geoff Hamilton and Alan Titchmarsh, neither of whom had to drag a selection of the public at their heels and yet both still managed to give me enough confidence to have a go myself. Monty Don used to do something of the same thing on Gardeners' World but now he has succumbed to the trend, along with Carol Klein, and I am in despair. -
Message 8
Posted by groundelder (U11750698) on Monday, 15th February 2010
rainonroses - I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say. I'm just not interested in this media saturation of everyone knowing everything about joe public (the majority of whom know very little, but shout the loudest).
The very reason why I don't use Facebook,Twitter, et al. Where are all these attention-seekers coming from?
Just give me an interesting, informative programme with an experienced presenter/expert who is quite happy to talk to camera (ie me) instead of being best buddies with all and sundry.
I live in hope that what goes around, comes around, and eventually people will be sick and tired of these same formats.
I await the revolution. -
Message 9
Posted by Joe_the_Gardener (U3478064) on Monday, 15th February 2010
But, groundelder, where do you draw the line between this board and Twitter? Ten years ago you would have had to write to a magazine to stand a chance of being heard by me, and to get a reply?
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Message 10
Posted by groundelder (U11750698) on Monday, 15th February 2010
Yes, I know there are advantages, but please, moderation in everything, not saturation.
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Message 11
Posted by SilverGalanthus (U13903849) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
Rainonroses,
Your post did make me chuckle.
It's probably completely unrelated, but might I draw your attention to the new series on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú2 Mondays, 'Raymond Blanc's Kitchen Secrets'?
Presented charmingly by this great eccentric, there's not a 'journey' or 'tear' in site - just an expert making it all look incredibly easy and delicious. -
Message 12
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
Thank you ArtemisH and Palaisglide, but I just don't seem to be able to get this to work.
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Message 13
Posted by Aspidistra (U11680993) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
rainonroses, I heartily agree, I would like to see more experts, less of the great unwashed on learning journeys and particularly less of the celebrities on journeys stuff.
I think the Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú should look ahead instead of at what is popular now, and see that the format you describe is going to go into a decline, so it would be good if they started commissioning programmes which are a turnaround on all this dumbing down. -
Message 14
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
Bluedoyenne
Thank you ArtemisH and Palaisglide, but I just don't seem to be able to get this to work. Ìý
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I had to put a dash in quote to stop it acting
you just write quote without the dash.
Try again.
Frank. -
Message 15
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
".... the new series on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú2 Mondays, 'Raymond Blanc's Kitchen Secrets'?
Presented charmingly by this great eccentric, there's not a 'journey' or 'tear' in site - just an expert making it all look incredibly easy and delicious."
Hi SilverGalanthus - what a joy to watch. Sheer bliss (and a laugh as well with that unbalanced whisk
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Message 16
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
Thank you Palaisglide, so let's see if this works
<quote>Message<quote>
hmmm - you realise you're dealing with a complete numpty by now (seems I've managed to put this on three levels, instead of two! -
Message 17
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
Bluedoyenne
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At least you got it in a box, just dispence with writing message at the beginning
I've managed to put this on three levels, instead of two!
This is how it is done but remove the dash from the quotes.
I never give up on anyone.
Frank. -
Message 18
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
You're one determined (helpful) poster Palaisglide, so here goes
<quote>I never give up on anyone<quote> -
Message 19
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
rainonroses, I sit through an hour of Countryfile just to see the few very interesting and informative minutes on Adam's farm and, like you, would dearly like to see more of it.
<quote>Something along the lines of the Adam's Farm segment of Countryfile, expanded to an hour -
Message 20
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
For Palaisglide
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Message 21
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
Bluedoyenne, I was going to mention Raymond Blanc's programme too. It's just fantastic to see a master at work, sharing his knowledge and demonstrating such exquisite skill.
No contests, no fake deadlines, no unpleasantness a la Gordon Ramsey, no ditsy filming. It's just a joy to watch. -
Message 22
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
Hi Trillium - he certainly is a master and I let out a cry of pure unadulterated joy when I saw the programme being advertised. Last night's début was wonderful. I've set the series to 'record' and 'keep' and now I need to get a TV into my soon to materialise (she wrote hopefully) kitchen. I genuinely can't wait to start trying some of last night's recipes out.
Just as well I can be enthusiastic about something other than gardening, because I can't remember the last time I actually saw my garden. It's still covered in a couple of inches of snow. We're currently on our third 'cold snap' (or should that be 's---n---a---a---p' as in long and not snappy at all). I'm beginning to wonder if I'll ever get to prepare my garden for the spring. I do hope you're having a better time, though polytunnels etc. probably help you get essiantial work done? -
Message 23
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010
Bluedoyenne,
Thank you.
Trillium,
What on earth are you doing watching chocolate programmes?
You have a figure girl, keep it that way.
Frank. -
Message 24
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Wednesday, 17th February 2010
Trillium, I got carried away just thinking about Raymond Blanc's programme and didn't respond to your comment. Like you, I feel that the best television is when an expert demonstrates his craft with
<quote>No contests, no fake deadlines, no unpleasantness a la Gordon Ramsey, no ditsy filming. -
Message 25
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Wednesday, 17th February 2010
Frank, I've spent the last two weeks being a nursery pit pony, lugging barrows of turf, gravel, and soil around in sub-zero temperatures. So one beauty of this job is that I can eat as much chocolate as I like and not gain an ounce!
We've not been able to do that much in the tunnels as they are unheated and the pots are freezing solid most nights. But we've had no snow for three weeks (more forecast this weekend) so I've been able to get on with structural projects outside - building a covered storage area for compost, creating some new beds and a wildflower border under the apple trees. I gave up on the 'not walking on the grass when frozen' rule - I'd have got nothing done at all. So the lawns will be a mess but they'll recover. -
Message 26
This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the in some way.
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Message 27
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Thursday, 18th February 2010
Trillium,
I replied to your post, it has been removed as off subject.
It was quite innocuous nothing in it to cause problems and I have received a mail from the Hosts to re-post it elsewhere.
Could they not have done this???
Frank. -
Message 28
Posted by treechange (U14126469) on Thursday, 18th February 2010
Frank,
tho' I'm not trillium I feel I have to reply as I read your posting and can't think for the life of me why it was 'off topic' - maybe too lively to figure under the title 'public participation fatigue' ? -
Message 29
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Thursday, 18th February 2010
Treechange,
As I pressed the button I did realise that Trillium and I were discussing something that could be classed as off subject.
Reading what has gone on in some of the other posts not resulting in instant dismissal I do wonder at times if the Hosts pick those to ban out of a hat.
It was of no matter I shrug and get on with it, it is what we Brits do.
Frank.
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