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Gertrude Jekyll
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Message 1.Â
Posted by DunDigging (U11471527) on Saturday, 13th March 2010
Toby, Toby, did you really say one of your favourite climbing roses was Rosa 'Gertrude Jekyll'. According to the RHS Encyclopoedia of Roses and the label on the plant given to me last Monday for my 65th, Rosa 'Gertrude Jekyll' is a shrub rose about 4 feet high. You could be losing some fans this week - those going into their garden centres asking for a climbing rose called 'Gertrude Jekyll'.
Of course I am assuming a climber doesn't have the same name. -
Message 2
Posted by gerald (U3837061) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
I think you'll find that R. 'Gertrude Jekyll' can be trained as a climber of six to eight feet. This probably applies to quite a few roses, I have Iceberg standard and climbing.
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Message 3
Posted by Gareth Wyn Jones (U8031467) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
Rosa Gertrude Jekyl is available as a climber/rambler. IT was the winner of the 'James Mason award' 2002 from the Royal National Rose Society.
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Message 4
Posted by Goldilocks (U2169760) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
I have Gertrude Jekyl as a climber.
Poor old Toby. If it had been Geoff Hamilton, AT, MD, who said that then some checking would have been done before posting, but I get the feeling that there are fingers ready on triggers looking for slip ups when Tony speaks. -
Message 5
Posted by Goldilocks (U2169760) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
And even when Toby speaks!!
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Message 6
Posted by Salino (U2550900) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
I like Toby and GW is much better so far this season than previous.
I was pleased he put in a Gertrude Jekyll as up to that point all his roses had male names so I thought he was following a masculine theme, which is fine
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Message 7
Posted by hereisabee (U2342191) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
Toby really illustrated the dilemma when planting, I often prune mature and sometimes neglected arbours. So am of the opinion that 'less is more' and would of only recommended one strong rambler in the scheme to take over the top. His design will be fine for five years, but in fifteen years it will become a jungle.
Blow roses and their thorns, it was 'just the ticket' for a Wisteria floribunda 'Macrobotrys' to display it's long pendulous flowers.
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Message 8
Posted by garrigillgal (U14258845) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
Blow roses and their thorns, it was 'just the ticket' for a Wisteria floribunda 'Macrobotrys' to display it's long pendulous flowers Â
Hi Hereisabee
- what great idea - wisteria and climber / rambling roses mixed sounds lovely and when they are both in bloom the colour combination will be gorgeous. Now, you see, I'm a novice gardener and if I had been wanting to do something similar I would have slavishly followed Toby's advice and planted all these roses - I can see though that perhaps that would have been too many over the years - doh!! -
Message 9
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
Not sure about flowering in combination. Round here wisteria are in full bloom in early May while roses of any sort don't get going till June.
As for Gertrude Jekyll, I have a shrub version with definite ambitions to be a small climber which just doesn't fit the overall scheme in that particular bed of shrub roses and non climbing clematis texensis underplanted with alliums, heucheras and hardy geraniums. I'm still pondering solutions as I don't want to dig her up. -
Message 10
Posted by happytobyfan (U13663471) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
<quote> wisteria and climber / rambling roses mixed sounds lovely and when they are both in bloom the colour combination will be gorgeous.</quote>
As a "Novice Gardener" a few years ago, I have spent (wasted) so much money on such things as Mail Order plants, which have shown, for example, beautiful clematis of 2 different colours growing together, to then find out that they don't actually flower at the same time.
<quote> I would have slavishly followed Toby's advice and planted all these roses<quote/>
Having gained virtually all of my knowledge the hard (expensive) way, I would have no hesitation in following Toby's advice 'slavishly', because he has spent years learning his trade and, despite his critics - does know what he is talking about. -
Message 11
Posted by DunDigging (U11471527) on Monday, 15th March 2010
Many thanks for all those who have put me right about Rosa 'Gertrude Jekyll' as a climber. Having since read about other roses that could be grown as climbers I thought this might be the case.
By the way I was not knocking Toby as I am a fan of his. I think we have to realise he is limited by what is required by the production team. I also think it is unfair when contributors knock the fact that some items are very simple (such as the sowing of tomato seeds). Reading these messages each year shows that there are novices taking up gardening and allotments every year and need to be introduced to the basics. It is a case of getting the balance right. Perhaps starting with something very basic is not advisable.
Perhaps there is a place for a programme on the basics of gardening for those that are new to it. It happens for cooking. Does one exist already? -
Message 12
Posted by kath74 (U8999103) on Monday, 15th March 2010
I think the rambler Toby planted was Francis E Lester, which is supposed to be reasonably manageable, not one of the rampant ones, so it might have been appropriate to plant 2.
I agree that a wisteria would be lovely, but they may have ruled it out because it would take a few years to really get going. -
Message 13
Posted by Salino (U2550900) on Monday, 15th March 2010
yes it was Francis E Lester that he planted. I grew this once in my garden on the south coast having read good reviews about it. I was disappointed in that, I found it quite coarse, vicious thorns and more vigorous than expected. Also the scent wasn't what I was led to believe.
After a few years I got rid of it and replaced with Jasminum Stephanense which flowered profusely for me and I loved the scent besides being more gardener friendly - nice soft foliage. -
Message 14
Posted by Goldilocks (U2169760) on Monday, 15th March 2010
I love wisterias - I have two, a pink one and a blue one against house / garage walls. But I don't think they really deserve to be given such a prime spot as a large pergola. they give one magniicent show for a couple of weeks, and then nothing. I can't remember which famous garden it is, but there is one where they have a long laburnum walk, under a metal archway. Absolutely stunning in a large garden where there are other large features to catch the eye at different times of the season, but hard to justify in a more modest garden.
The same goes for climbing roses in my book. I go mainly for repeat flowerers over archways and pergolas. I do have a couple of non repeaters such as Mme Grégoire Staechelin (Spanish Beauty) which I can mix in with other complementary repeaters.
I prefer to place ramblers on a back fence or wall with a decent border in front, where they can catch the eye from a distance when in full flower, but are unnoticeable for the season, when other plants in the foreground are doing their stuff. -
Message 15
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 15th March 2010
I think I'd have added something for foliage interest, like Vitis vinifera Purpurea, or Akebia quinata. Also honeysuckle, Lonicera serotina. Perhaps they'll add to it later - that was a specific section on roses, after all.
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Message 16
Posted by hypercharleyfarley (U7444019) on Monday, 15th March 2010
Hello Goldilocks. The garden with the laburnum walk is Bodnant - in the Conwy Valley in North Wales, not far from the A55 and Conwy itself. Well worth a visit for its other features too. Cheers! Ma.
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Message 17
Posted by Goldilocks (U2169760) on Monday, 15th March 2010
Thanks. Of course. I bought several lovely rhododendrons there. Lovely place.
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Message 18
Posted by The Nature Man (U9687585) on Sunday, 28th March 2010
Dear Obelixx, you could try training your Gertrude Jekyll over the benders used in victorian times, and done supremely well at Sissinghurst, (also known as pegging) where you bend over the lax habit and tie them to something (usually hazel bent into a half moon but you can use individual canes etc) ... see Sarah Raven article
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Message 19
Posted by The Nature Man (U9687585) on Sunday, 28th March 2010
OH Obelixx, this is an american clip, but it might help!
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Message 20
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 28th March 2010
Brilliant Nature Man. That's filled me with inspiration for Gerrude as well as ideas for filling gaps left by two successive hard winters here. Thanks very much.
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Message 21
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 21st June 2010
Hi Nature Man.
Just wanted to let you know that the pegging experiment on Gertrude and the Sceptr'd Isle roses has been a roaring excess to the extent that I am unlikely ever to do a traditional prune on any of my shrub roses again.
Thanks ever so much for the advice. -
Message 22
Posted by happytobyfan (U13663471) on Thursday, 24th June 2010
Hi Nature Man
Just watched the video you recommended a little while ago, on pegging roses. Not only was it good, but the rest of the series of videos are also brilliant. I've got a couple of roses that, having now seen the colour of the flowers, I wanted to move. I know it's the wrong time to do it, when they are in flower, but one of the videos shows how it can be done - without losing it. I've currently got around 40 roses in my garden, so the website has now been saved into my favourites. Thanks for that.
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