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Arty Camera Work?
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Message 1.聽
Posted by MaggieAnntwo (U14384467) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
Does anybody else get upset when the camera starts out of focus and then slowly comes into focus when all you want to see is the subject you have been told about.
Nothing worse than being told about a beautiful rose that takes several seconds to actually see properly ~ meantime the old eyes are going doolally. Is this an age thing? Modern techniques are out of place in an educational program. -
Message 2
Posted by darren p (U8518743) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
arty camera work is pointless and intrusive. we want clear, concise images of the subject matter. easy.
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Message 3
Posted by Sir Plantalot (U11098143) on Sunday, 14th March 2010
I also get really irritated with the camera work. This week virtually every shot featured an out of focus foreground. It's ruining the programme for me.
Why doesn't someone coppice that hedge, Any volunteers? -
Message 4
Posted by Joe_the_Gardener (U3478064) on Monday, 15th March 2010
You are all too easily irritated/annoyed/upset. The new GW format is so straight down the line it's like reading a book, so a few seconds of 'arty' camera focusing is hardly the end of civilisation.
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Message 5
Posted by Sir Plantalot (U11098143) on Monday, 15th March 2010
Hi Joe
I'm not really annoyed or upset so I would put myself in the irritated/frustrated category.
I could live with a few seconds of out of focus shots during the intro to each topic, but I got the impression that a good portion of the programme including the non archived bits used this type of shot.
In reality I am a fan of the programme it's just this aspect which spoils it for me. Whats the point of watching it on HD if the picture is no better than on the ordinary channel ( not sure what the technical term is)
Anyway I'm off to do some Gardening. -
Message 6
Posted by Jenny Goddard (U14401817) on Sunday, 28th March 2010
I am outraged and upset about the out of focus camera work currently adopted for GW. I have been a devoted fan and avid watcher of the programme for years, and I have enjoyed all the different presenters and ways of presenting, but when the shots are all half out of focus, I am finding it very hard to watch and I can even miss what has been said at times because of it. I cannot imagine that anyone watching and listening intently feels that out of focus shots help their viewing.
Perhaps the out of focus arty shots could be used on occasions when there is a montage of different flowers/plants, but it is so frustrating and annoying when I am trying to see what is being demonstrated/talked about. I don't just want to see a plant close up, I like to see it against the background of it's surroundings. And as the picture slides from out of focus to in focus, it actually gives me a slight nauseous feeling!
PLEASE COULD YOU RECONSIDER THE CONTINUOUS USE OF OUT OF FOCUS CAMERA WORK.
PS.I was looking forward to Carol Klein's vegetable growing series last year, but I had to give up on it due to the out of focus shots all the time, and I was hoping that it would not be adopted largely by GW.
PLEASE COULD YOU RECONSIDER THIS OCUS CAMERA WORK. -
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Posted by The Nature Man (U9687585) on Sunday, 28th March 2010
Oh blimey, so it was a waste of time getting my eyes tested then, I thought it was me!
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Message 8
Posted by gerald (U3837061) on Sunday, 28th March 2010
I can't say I noticed any out of focus shots. If anything I think the filming is quite standard with a little bit of creativity here and there to keep things visually interesting. Just my opinion.
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Message 9
Posted by Joe_the_Gardener (U3478064) on Monday, 29th March 2010
I am outraged聽
Jenny,
I save outrage for serious stuff, like the goings on in the Catholic church, or the 'export' of children to Australia. If you go easy on the language inflation it helps to get things in perspective.
I simply can't see the objection to a bit of creative camera work. The detailed close focus work is, I imagine, quite difficult to manage because of the limited depth of field. The alternative to refocusing would be to keep cutting from shot to shot, which could be irritating.
I remember the static programmes of Percy Thrower; it was rather primitive by the standards of technology available now.
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Message 10
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Monday, 29th March 2010
"A bit of creativity" sounds like media jargon for not being able to focus the camera properly on what is like cataract lenses on the camera.
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Message 11
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 29th March 2010
I simply can't see the objection to a bit of creative camera work聽
It's hard to disagree with what you say, Joe, but history tells us that 'give these beggars an inch .....'. I appreciate that the probable justification of the 'blur', is to very gradually reveal the beauty of the subject to the audience, but this has been badly overplayed in the recent past. Personally I have no great problem with the filming of the current season (so far) - but it does make me nervous that we could be slowly heading back to the bad old days. Your sympathetic view of why it may be necessary to include a bit of 'out of focus' doesn't really stack up, when we consider the sophistication of modern technology. Quite simply, it's someone trying to be 'arty'. It's just like the need to film the subject through some form of undergrowth. While it does on occasion give the audience the 'big picture', on most occasions it is just something else to cause unnecessary irritation.
I note your call for a fellow-poster to retain a sense of perspective for what you call the 'serious stuff' - and of course, you're absolutely correct. However, this is a Gardening Board, and I suppose everything we write in here is relative to our love of gardening, and doesn't reflect the priorities of our lives. Anyhow, as always - joy be with you. -
Message 12
Posted by Joe_the_Gardener (U3478064) on Monday, 29th March 2010
Ken,
when we consider the sophistication of modern technology.聽
It's still not possible to focus on something an inch away and a yard away at the same time.
As for 'outrage', I find devaluing powerful words far more irritating than out-of-focus primroses.
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Message 13
Posted by Madonplants (U5524817) on Monday, 29th March 2010
I'm not so worried about out of focus shots, as I am about filming shots of oil lamps while Alys has started talking or shots of Carol's shadow, coming into a room!
On the whole, I'm enjoying the new series, but maybe they could still cut out some of the silly arty stuff, to make the program even better. -
Message 14
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 29th March 2010
It's still not possible to focus on something an inch away and a yard away at the same time聽
We can all accept this basic fact. However, what irritates many of us, is the unnecessary 'out of focus/into focus' passages so beloved by many directors. I had previously calculated by crude extrapolation, that the equivalent of an entire programme was being used up each year by such lunacy. I would think it's quite possible to provide for example, a shot of an entire plant/shrub, and then gradually home in on a leaf/flower - without the central feature ever being out of focus. -
Message 15
Posted by Joe_the_Gardener (U3478064) on Monday, 29th March 2010
Heaven forbid that we should ever get art and gardening mixed up.
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Message 16
Posted by welshcol (U2301689) on Monday, 29th March 2010
But seriously
when the camera work focusing becomes a distraction to either the plant ,flower or whatever the presenter is trying to get across then its a distraction rather than a aid. Clear pictures, accurate focusing etc is required for decent visual presentation while artistic, use of "toys for the boys" camera tricks/hardware are not. Enough said IMHO!!.
I know its not life or death and there are lots more important things in life but very annoying when you think someone is being paid for all the extra set-up and work involved when it would be easier to do it properly which would be a benefit rather than a debit to the programme.
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Message 17
Posted by Joe_the_Gardener (U3478064) on Monday, 29th March 2010
do it properly聽
And that, Welshcol, is the problem: what is 'properly? I quite like what they do (when I even notice it).
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Message 18
Posted by dick catt (U9516422) on Thursday, 22nd April 2010
Thank goodness I`m not the only one who gets fed up with such silly tricks as out of focus shots and worse (in my opinion) speeded up sequences as soon as a crowd of people is shown moving along. Please stick to straight forward filming!
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Message 19
Posted by Miss-polly (U14402803) on Friday, 23rd April 2010
I must admit I like arty camera shots, as long as there is clear shots of the important instructioney bits - to me and art and gardening are two very happy bedfellows, I just couldn鈥檛 think of one without the other, isn鈥檛 gardening painting picture? Imagine a classical garden without sculptures
My little moan is loud background music, don鈥檛 get me wrong I love music but not so loud that I can鈥檛 hear what the presenter are saying (I how old to I sound) to quote my daughter 鈥渋t does my head in鈥 , this current GW seems much better now and has toned down the background music.
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