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Gardeners' World 19 March 2010
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Message 1.Â
Posted by saima_host (U13967342) on Friday, 19th March 2010
Hi all
Gardeners’ World is on air tonight at 8.30pm on Â鶹¹ÙÍøÊ×Ò³Èë¿Ú2. On tonight's programme Toby is tidying up perennials and planting nectar rich plants for early bees, Carol plants some native primroses and takes a close look at the Primula family and Alys plants one of her favourite early plants, the hellebore.
For more information about the programme and to view the fact sheet please visit the Gardeners’ World website (www.bbc.co.uk/gardenersworld) after the show. -
Message 2
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
Another really good programme, well done! And followed by yet another superb 'Mastercrafts', and before that a contestant on Mastermind answering questions on Gertrude Jekyll. The best Friday evening on TV for ages.
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Message 3
Posted by koala_girl (U12702629) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
I loved this weeks program and have just watched it again on the iplayer. I am going to try Carol's tips about taking primula root cuttings. I bought a beautiful primula in a pot from the local butcher (I am a vegetarian but I go there because he also sells plants & free range eggs) and would like some more the same colour.
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Message 4
Posted by jungle_jane (U1807090) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
I didn't watch it
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Message 5
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
The bests so far, I thought. Really enjoyed it and learnt plenty too. Those coloured willows in the winter/spring garden were amazing and I didn't know Primula denticulata would come from cuttings - I do occasionally get really good coloured ones. I wonder how far into the primula family that extends?
For the first time in about a year there wasn't a single thing about the programme that I wanted to wish away. -
Message 6
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
The camerawork was rubbish last week and became execrable this week. I have loved watching GW for over 30 years and rarely missed an episode, but that is the last for me as the promised changes have not materialised and as far as the Ben Turpin school of camera angles are concerned you can stick your arty farty camerwork where the sun doesn't shine. Having Carol(who saves the show) walk around her path through plant, bush and tree shots until she appeared where the camera was hidden in the undergrowth was beyond me, and as in the past the 30 minute program flew by and I wondered where the time went, it just makes me angry now that it has sunk to a new even crappier level.
Alys, didn't anyone teach you not to handle seedlings by the stem as they are easily damaged that way, lift them by the leaves and they may survive the transplant. -
Message 7
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
The camerawork was rubbish last week and became execrable this week.Â
I'm with you in principle, but the silly camerawork didn't spoil my enjoyment of the programme. These technicians just can't help themselves. They simply have to do something 'artistic', because they were no doubt taught to ensure that everything must be livened up a little (as the audience is undoubtedly thick).
I agree with the general consensus (so far) about last nights programme. Both my wife and I enjoyed it thoroughly, and thought it contained much of interest. I noticed that Joe wasn't present this time, and Alys returned to the fold. If this is the new format, I approve, as a 30 minute programme gets far too cluttered with 4 presenters. I would like to take Alys aside and ask her why she felt her extravagant hand/arm flailing was necessary, when she was doing a fairly straightforward piece to camera. It all seemed out of sync with her words. Toby's in real danger of becoming acceptable if he continues to 'play it straight' - though I wonder why he always sounds as if he's just ran a 100yds when he does the simplest of tasks. I suspect he's trying to create the impression that he's working hard. I found Carol's segment very interesting again, and my better half is planning to do great new things on the propogation front. The programme is definitely 'on the up', and I really do hope that it doesn't all go pear-shaped again in the near future (unless of course, they're doing a bit about pears). -
Message 8
Posted by Calendula (U2331338) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
I found it so boring I was channel hopping between it and Friends (amazingly an episode which I have managed to miss until now despite the zillion repeats). How long does it take to cut a chunk of rhubarb into pieces FFS?
However, I did catch the look on Carol's face when she was expressing her dislike of technicolour primulas. Priceless. -
Message 9
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
Ken, can you imagine the camerateam being given charge of Match of the Day or similar, they would need a large SWAT team to get them safely out of the stadium with their "artistic" camerwork. The cameraman seems to have discovered a zoom button and makes full use of it willy nilly, even he should know that any movement in zoom mode is lost to the viewer making tripods an unmissable tool that aren't used. Far from being artistic it is annoying in the extreme as I am being tormented by this amateurish fade in fade out fuzzy screen shots that leave me trying to guess what plant I'm seeing.
I think that Joe should get safety goggles in order to work alongside Alys, as her flailing expressive hands and arms would probably take his eye out.
Maybe Luke Skywalker will appear from the potting shed shouting Daddy Daddy as Toby does a great impression of Darth Vader.
If only the camerateam would realise that seeing the best shot of the plants or flowers are seen be people standing usually on their feet and not resting on their chins at ground level or through foliage, then maybe I could get used to it but as it is, it will only be fit for the garbage bin.I really want to like the show but just can not. A shame really. -
Message 10
Posted by marinelilium (U8293024) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
Loved the programme - thanks!
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Message 11
Posted by daydaisy (U14260695) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
I enjoyed last night's programme very much. I found it informative and enjoyable. Toby is great now he is allowed to be himself and Carol is always a joy to watch. Alyse is OK too! Thanks!!
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Message 12
Posted by SparklyTwirler (U14115376) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
I absolutely loved the programme, except for one tiny thing. Why do some people ( Carol in this instance) have to be sooo snotty about coloured primulas, bedding plants and other things which the majority of us ( not too much money and only mainstream garden centres to rely on )find quite acceptable in our gardens? Carol's facial expression was really ugly as she dismissed the primulas with "there's no place for them in MY garden" Perhaps that is the case, but there was no need to be so uppity about it!!
Other than that, another great programme - keep it up please
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Message 13
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
The odd bit of arty camerawork didn't bother me one bit because it was never used while the presenters were speaking, except a little bit while Carol was doing her initial intro on gaudy Primulas, which wasn't exactly critical stuff.
I really don't find it all problematic if it's used as part of the wallpaper of the programme. -
Message 14
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
I agree with trillium. I really enjoyed the show and was inspired to try some rhubarb in a pot, as plants are on sale cheaply at the nearest GC.
Carol's face made me smile. Don't we all have preferences in our own gardens? A human touch that I found endearing. The more like real gardeners the presenters seem the better, for me.
Yes, play it straight please, presenters, and be gardeners talking to gardeners. Good job, Toby.
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Message 15
Posted by dwarfbean (U13754109) on Saturday, 20th March 2010
This is a great improvement on last year's offerings. Let's hope that they keep up the good work.
The sequence on rhubarb was a timely reminder. I think that it would be a good idea to give a few of my clumps the chop and replant.
Summer, It is a pity that you can't get a piece from a friend to force. When I went to the Rhubarb Triangle a couple of years ago to see the way it was forced in the dark sheds they just have the root placed on the ground and then replanted it in the fields for a couple of years so that it will build itself up again.
I hope that Tibshelf was not watching Carol plant her root cuttings in toilet paper tubes. I seem to remember that she had a bit of a thing about there use.
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Message 16
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Sunday, 21st March 2010
I can't get that excited about GW yet, nothing I've seen I'd want to repeat in my garden.
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Message 17
Posted by Euphorbia (U14279694) on Sunday, 21st March 2010
Why do some people ( Carol in this instance) have to be sooo snotty about coloured primulasÂ
I just thought she was being honest.
She has a lovely woodland garden and those primulas would not have fitted in at all. Much better to do as she did and plant the native primroses. -
Message 18
Posted by Andrea Stout (U14393685) on Sunday, 21st March 2010
I'm really pleased that Gardener's World has returned to the task of informing viewers about gardening rather than the fashion accessory, on speed, that the last series turned out to be. Thank you for treating your viewers as intelligent people.
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Message 19
Posted by SparklyTwirler (U14115376) on Sunday, 21st March 2010
It was the way she curled her lip and was patronising about the primulas that I didn't like. It might not be to her liking, but she could have said that they may have a place in a different setting. "Experts" often reject the common or popular and it denenes the people who have neither the money, expertise or opportunity to always go for "species" and uncommon plants.
Many new gardener'sstart off with bedding plants - I know I did. I'm from a family of non gardener's and didn't know that you could buy plants other than bedding from Homebase, when I began. I've progressed since then, but people have to begin somewhere. -
Message 20
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Sunday, 21st March 2010
You have a good point Sparkly Twirler.
My wish for all gardeners is to enjoy their gardening and to have fun expressing and developing their own taste.
I have never found a snooty gardener among the people I meet personally; they are as generous with their plants as they are with their advice and criticism (and facial expressions).
There are "gaudy' plants in my garden because my OH was partially sighted and the species plants that I love were often too subtle to be seen by him. How jolly they look on dismal days.
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Message 21
Posted by SparklyTwirler (U14115376) on Sunday, 21st March 2010
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Message 22
Posted by happytobyfan (U13663471) on Sunday, 21st March 2010
Many new gardener'sstart off with bedding plants - I know I did.Â
Sparkly
So did I - and despite having lots of different plants and shrubs now - I still grow bedding plants, still enjoy seeing them in amongst the 'more acceptable' stuff - and don't care what anybody thinks - so there
I also love the programme now - but then I was a Toby fan before he took over GW. It's like it used to be now, before it was replaced by the the 'Monty Don School Of Allotments'.
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Message 23
Posted by SparklyTwirler (U14115376) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
I agree with every word you've written HTF
more power to Toby's elbow I say and I'm loving those boots 
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Message 24
Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
I watched the programme after midnight on Friday after a very long physically tiring week and I was so absorbed I didn't notice how tired I felt. A really interesting programme. The close-up shots were superb in HD.
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Message 25
Posted by theweeshep (U13961168) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Why do some people ( Carol in this instance) have to be sooo snotty about coloured primulas, bedding plants and other things which the majority of us ( not too much money and only mainstream garden centres to rely on )find quite acceptable in our gardens?
^^^ Sparkly, being someone that dismisses lawns and hedges as not being "proper gardening", I'm surprised the above post came from yourself. Vive le difference, as they say -
Message 26
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
dwarfbean, re an earlier post.
I have found a small rhubarb plant growing in a pot of tete a tete narcissi. Should I leave it for a bit or rescue it now? It already has one small red stalk.
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Message 27
Posted by dwarfbean (U13754109) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Summerchild,
I think that I would rescue it from the clutches of the tete a tete [Sounds like a chinese triad] and plant it in the ground.
If you still want to try the forcing technique that Toby did in the programme you could dig it up early next year and force it.
Hope that this helps.
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Message 28
Posted by Yakram (U2443370) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Interesting and timely tips programme, with two instances of labels written the correct way - thank you.
There is a rhubarb walk at the garden where I volunteer, and the rhubarb is planted approx 1 metre/3ft apart to allow for the huge leaves to spread without hindrance. There are varieties especially for forcing, but I can't recall which at the mo. 
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Message 29
Posted by SparklyTwirler (U14115376) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Is there a correct way to write labels? If so, what is it please?
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Message 30
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
If you don't write them from left to right ie towards the pointy end, you can easily misjudge it and run out of room.
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Message 31
Posted by darren p (U8518743) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
a correct way to write labels? oh please show me how! errr, i think not.
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Message 32
Posted by SparklyTwirler (U14115376) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Thanks Paul
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Message 33
Posted by koala_girl (U12702629) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Gosh, I've been writing labels wrong all this time! Hope nobody noticed.....
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Message 34
Posted by jauntycyclist (U14199772) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
goodness. the lawn was mentioned. first time in how many years?
although they do have more online for those who want more info which they didn't mention in the show
the gardening year seems to be coming back. good show. -
Message 35
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Monday, 22nd March 2010
Thanks dwarfbean. <smiley face>. Shall do. Don't you just love the little extras you sometimes find when you buy pots of bulbs (except the vine weevil kind of course)?!
Thanks also Yakram. Will bear in mind the need for future space. No idea of variety but it is a bold little thing. Shall call it 007.
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Message 36
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
It just seems logical to me that writing on plant labels starts at the top end and end towards the pointy end that goes in the soil. Otherwise they're hard to read.
I quite agree with Carol about the colours of those bedding primulas and wouldn't dream of planting them out in my garden either but they do look very jolly in pots or window boxes and I often use them that way but not this year. Instead I've done iris reticulata with violas, crocuses and dwarf daffs in toning purples and cream and they're looking stunning.
I seem to remember the first thing TB did on GW as the man in line to take over was to "tickle" lawn edges and patch up bare spots. I could do with some serious advice on recovering a lawn ravaged by a long, hard winter then invaded by moles looking for mates and further enhanced by dog and kitten digging for said moles. Trench warfare!! Disaster doesn't quite cover it. Moles must be a problem for more than just me. -
Message 37
Posted by Summerchild (U14187397) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Yes Obelix, I think it is a worse problem this year.
My lawn can't be called a lawn. More molehills every morning, mostly where we usually like to sit out. The bad winter conditions have perhaps left them in a desperate condition, so I have some sympathy. This is a case of taking the rough with the smooth, I think.
I remind myself that if I call it "my garden" I delude myself... really I just share it. (A bit of swearing goes on though.)
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Message 38
Posted by Bluedoyenne (U2341157) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
Finally got to see the programme last night and agree with the majority of posters here that it was a very good and interesting programme. 100% quality content and thoroughly in context. Very well done GW production team
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Message 39
Posted by Stumblebucket (U14392872) on Tuesday, 23rd March 2010
I've been watching the new series...and must admit that I hung on and watched all through the '30-minute-fix' debacle....I just have to watch GW. Get withdrawl symptoms if I don't.
I enjoyed the programe, I would love it to be a full hour. The only times I tend to wander off and put the kettle on is when they have people talking about national collections etc. I like the 'practical gardening' bits best.
AND
Curse you Toby Buckland....after seeing Toby plant the ricinus seed I went back onto the seed websites and DESPITE already having enough seeds to sink a very large battleship, I went and bought some ricinus seed...and whilst I was there I bought a load more....victim of fashion me.... -
Message 40
Posted by welshcol (U2301689) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
Finally got to see the programme last night and agree with the majority of posters here that it was a very good and interesting programme. 100% quality content and thoroughly in context. Very well done GW production team Â
Took the words, or typing!!, right out out my mouth I even thought the camerawork was better and not so intrusive which is a major plus. 2010 is suddenly looking better. -
Message 41
Posted by Tiarella (U11833177) on Wednesday, 24th March 2010
I have to agree that GW is so much better now that it has returned to the tried & tested format that we all enjoy. Thank goodness for that - I can start looking forward to Friday evenings again for some sensible gardening advice and hints.
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Message 42
Posted by CHIEF (U14236660) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
I agree mostly. Just give Carol 28 minutes..though I do love listening to Joe.Just don't like the garden Toby is working in.It will take years to get interesting.
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Message 43
Posted by darren p (U8518743) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
toby is at my local garden center soon...might show my face.
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Message 44
Posted by Cloggies (U14296829) on Thursday, 25th March 2010
Pass on my regards darren
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