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Message 1.Â
Posted by sunnyD (U10341818) on Friday, 21st October 2011
How to grow the tiniest pumpkins ever. How not to grow cannas. How to take cuttings with the dirtiest secateurs ever and spread plant viruses. Gardeners world no thankyou. I haven't watched for months and won't watch again. I lost interest part way through and fell asleep.
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Message 2
Posted by Stressed out (U11163734) on Friday, 21st October 2011
Souf Afrika looked stunning - best bit of the show
nice little jolly
Yes tiny pumpkins - dwarf cannas and very strange cutting technique
Autumn sweetpeas
However it was watch-able
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Message 3
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I could mention several other faux pas...but hey ho (as I've said many times) the penny will drop sooner or later.
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Message 4
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I quite enjoyed the programme as a whole - don't know what's got into me lately
Have Joe and Rachael been pernanently dumped does anyone know?Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 5
Posted by kate1123 (U14824475) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I think showing failures is important. There have been lots of questions on here this summer about courgettes failing and it is reassuring to find that an odd combination of weather in some areas is the reason.
I do find the obsession with tropical gardens odd considering the current weather predictions.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 6
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I thoroughly enjoyed the programme. It was a very relaxing half-hour, and I don't know how Monty resisted boasting about the remarkable recovery of his previously horrendous box hedging. I was surprised by some of the techniques applied, but as previously stated, there are often several ways of achieving the end result. The stained secateurs looked exactly like one of my own - which are sharp, clean, and well-oiled - just like the owner on friday nights.
Neil Sedaka very nearly said "Oh Carol, you are such a fool". Why can't some older folk just settle for getting old gracefully, instead of trying to look like their grand-daughters. Young trendies certainly don't wish to have the Klein look, and will already be on the lookout for the next fashion fad. Carol's 'holy' jeans just looked sad on her, and she should be compelled to look at the footage time and again until she admits that there is a difference between looking trendy and looking ridiculous.
The South African segment was pleasant viewing, and Monty Don looked in his element. Once again, no sign of Joe or Rachel - and once again, we were all the better for it. If we could just get Carol to stick to propogation in her own garden, we would have the makiings of a perfect programme.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 7
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
Showing and admitting failures is fine, Kate...giving advice how to do something in a way that will most probably result in failure is quite another.
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Message 8
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I don't know how Monty resisted boasting about the remarkable recovery of his previously horrendous box hedging.Â
Really, Ken? Did you not notice that much of it is still devoid of any leaf growth in the top?
It is improving though, I will admit.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 9
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I watch GW in a sort of gentle haze a relaxed mood after the evening meal and no pressure until it came to taking cuttings, i shot up wondering what on earth was going on.That is not the way I was taught and I take a lot of them.
As to the failure of the squash it happens to the very best, this year my Cougettes were fantastic, other parts of the country failed. My Tomato's came early I had a good crop and they finished early others are still picking tomato;s depending on where you live in this wonderful country with its varied climate.
No two gardens will ever compare because of micro climates and weather patterns so programmes like GW have to generalise.
I do not bubble wrap now after finding it did not make much difference with my pup of a fan heater compared with Monty's space heater and when I did I used clips?
As to Carols Jeans I have a feeling she is not much interested in clothes although I did find myself thinking why do women wear raggy pants as I sat drinking coffee watching the world go by in town the other day. It is a form of uniform and once I was finished with uniform I never wore anything looking like it again.
Loved the South Africa bit and did not miss Joe but sure do miss Rachael for obvious reasons, who cares what she says?
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Message 10
Posted by kate1123 (U14824475) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I am ashamed to admit that I was so busy looking at the plants that I never noticed what Carol was wearing.
David as a novice gardener I am unable to criticise techniques, I am very curious about his method of geranium cuttings, I may even have a go.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 11
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
Well, I've resisted so far - is no one going to post about Nigel and what a fine dog he is?
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Message 12
Posted by ParsnipPumpkin22 (U14994729) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
Yes Nooj, I agree he's a fantastic looking dog and I'd love one of those in my garden. He's a great addition to the programme.
I also love to see Carols cats when she's in her garden. They're always slinking about just where you don't want them - just like my cats.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 13
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
Pity it'll be finishing soon - they just seemed to have started getting the hang of how things should be.
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Message 14
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
David as a novice gardener I am unable to criticise techniques, I am very curious about his method of geranium cuttings, I may even have a go.Â
No shame in that, Kate. Now isn't the time to be taking pelargonium cuttings, it should be done in late summer...mid-September at the latest.
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Message 15
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
Haven't had chance to watch it yet-now in two minds whether to bother
-not really
The constant moaning about the programme from the same people every week puzzles me -why do you put yourselves through such agony?Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 16
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
No harm in trying the cuttings Kate
I have taken pelagonium, gaura and fuchsia cuttings this morning......if you don't try, you won't know Good luck Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 17
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
>they just seemed to have started getting the hang of how things should be.<
Yep, the last two weeks have been quite decent programmes! Less is more perhaps - it's really no more than a video of Monty pottering about.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 18
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I'm wondering if that why it seems so good
It's as if it's showing the pleasure in gardening - whether things go perfectly or not.
No silly tricks, just the lovely rhythm of another year.
My cats help a lot in the garden - looking into holes you have just dug, inspecting trees by running up them and shouting....
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Message 19
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
>No silly tricks, just the lovely rhythm of another year.<
I'm minded Monty is subconsciously(?) adopting the style of Jack Hargreaves in 'Out of Town'. What with having the wee dug on the show more and more - I expect we'll see Monty tapping out a briar pipe next week...Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 20
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I don't know who you mean, Colin?
Was it shown some time ago?
As for pelargoniums - they are another plant that just wants to grow.
Chop some bits off, do what Monty did, or stick them in a glass of water till the roots show.
Then pot them.
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Message 21
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
I hope when Monty shows us his excellent pelargoniums next year, and taken from cuttings this month with grubby secateurs, the Doubting Thomas' will be forthcoming with their apologies.
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Message 22
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
Some people are hidebound by their prejudices.I have never been a fan of Monty Don's but credit where it is due - the last few programmes have been very interesting and informative.I like to see that everyone has failures as well as successes, it makes me feel less of a failure. The simple format works, and while I still think the garden visits should be a separate programme, in general I think GW is going in the right direction
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Message 23
Posted by Colin (U2252951) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
>I don't know who you mean, Colin? Was it shown some time ago?<
And then some. Back in the 1960/70s, when Monty would have watched after school.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 24
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Saturday, 22nd October 2011
Been a bad year for my Pumkins/Squash along with runner beans.
Joe replaced by Nigel....whatever next also don't tell me they flew Monty to SA just for that,there must be a programme in the pipeline.
Ken your comments on Carole's fashion sense where cruel,,,,Yes cruel I say bloody funny though.
Personaly I think Carole looks lovely...
PPP Pumpkinless this year,Halloween cancelled.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 25
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
This year's been OK for pumpkins but last year was a disaster - poor pollination; some oik nicked half my pumpkins and the rest got frozen to mush even though stored in the barn.
This year I planted sweet peas with the pumpkins and pollination was good. We've had a drought since mid March but they were planted in a bed that had been piled with compost and I watered them. They've all been ripened during the early October heatwave and are now in the garage so safe from the 4 heavy ground frosts we've had recently.. The sweet peas are still flowering and are enjoying the late sunshine after a fairly grey and cool summer.
I like the relaxed pace of GW but, apart from the Kerkenbosch visit, I found this last episode dull. Unless you want really fancy named varieties, pelargoniums are so cheap to buy in spring that I don't see the point of putting all that effort into cuttings, especially for those of us with limited, or no, greenhouse space who need to devote safe storage space to more expensive or cherished plants.
I used to try to grow cannas but they are late starters and always developed their flowerheads so late it was time for them to be frosted. They also lose their charm once you've seen them used as banal roadside plantings in Italy - like the oleanders they grow in their central reservations on motorways.
Why oh why do we get Carol in yet another jungle garden? Who seriously wants to spend their winter gazing at plants wrapped in blankets? What about featuring other gardens such as people coping well with heavy clay, barren chalk, heavily acid or alkaline soils, coastal exposure, hillside exposure, valley frost pockets? What about all the alpine enthusiasts who never get a look in these days?
I like Nigel but any gardener who encourages his dog to jump up on tables deserves to get pots broken.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 26
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
A family at the end of our lane grow pumpkins (among other things) in their fields for hand harvesting and sale locally. They've had a perfectly normal crop - I dropped by with some apples for their pigs and the pumpkins were all stacked up in crates ready to go, fat and orange in the sunshine. They were lugging more in on barrows while I was there.
I asked Adrian how he does it. He shrugged. Nothing to it - he plants out young plants in mid-May and they thrive on his damp fields by the river and the open sunshine of the field. Can't help feeling that we gardeners overcomplicate things...Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 27
Posted by Paul N (U6451125) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Barren chalk? They can send a film crew to my garden for that.
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Message 28
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Sunday, 23rd October 2011
Ken, I'm rather surprised and disappointed to read your words about Carol Klein. Although I'm often criticized for voicing my opinion about presenters, it is always for giving out dubious or suspect advice, never personal views about their looks or attire.
For the record, let it be known that Carol is a national treasure and the most knowledgeable presenter ever (BAR NONE) to grace our screens.....and I've seen them all since Percy Thrower.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 29
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Ken, I'm rather surprised and disappointed to read your words about Carol Klein. Although I'm often criticized for voicing my opinion about presenters, it is always for giving out dubious or suspect advice, never personal views about their looks or attire.Â
David, I've always thought that I'm a chap that can take genuine criticism on the chin, and have in the past thought that some of the comments I've made could have been better considered. However, in this case I'm at a loss to think how comments about the appearance of Carol Kein could cause surprise and disappointment to anyone (apart from Carol, of course).
Carol is a presenter - therefore I'd have thought that the way she presents herself is entirely up for comment. I've never indulged in any comments relating to a presenters natural physical looks (good or bad), as that is something that none of us have much control over. However, how a presenter 'presents' themselves is an entirely different matter. Do you really think that Carol doesn't give a second thought as to how she presents herself on the programme. It wasn't so long ago she was appearing with bright reddish hair, which looked quite incongruous when taken with rest of the body . I appreciate that many viewers will say 'good for her', but while I've no problem with trendiness, it can be taken just too far - and that's where Carol currently is. I would similarly criticise frumpiness in a presenter, but most of them either have the sense to dress appropriately for TV, or are fortunate to have people around them who can supply good advice. Carol is currently going through her 'mutton dressed as lamb' phase, and I for one will be glad when I can simply concentrate on her spiel, and not be distracted by the sadness of her appearance.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 30
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I hear what you are saying, Ken, but please try to see her as the brilliant plantswoman she is.
Btw, my teeth are crooked, but I’m not bad in the potting shed.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 31
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I hear what you are saying, Ken, but please try to see her as the brilliant plantswoman she isÂ
We're absolutely agreed on this aspect - and I've said so often in recent weeks. This is one reason why I hate to see her wasted on the garden visit assignments. I'll try awful hard for the remainder of the GW season not to say anything that'll upset all the Carol fans any further. Promise.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 32
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Don't be so soft Ken. I absolutely agree that presenting on TV includes the whole package - from knowledge clearly imparted to seasonal and economic relevance through to grooming. Look at how many get excited on here about Monty's clothes. Having said that, I didn't notice Carol's clothes on Friday, probably cos my brain was busy being numbed by yet another jungle.
I like her garden visits, generally, but agree she could do less gushing and more pointing out of plants and combinations to try in ordinary suburban gardens and potential which most viewers have. I hope we get another series from her own garden and that she continues to cover propagation.
Now we just need a regular pests and diseases slot with how to prevent/treat/cope both organically and with chemicals.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 33
Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Ken your remarks are misogynistic and ageist. DK you are just a hypocrite having made horrible remarks about Christine Walkden in the past which were based on her appearance.
It doesn't worry me if people make comments on how a presenter dresses or looks - in a society obsessed with appearance it is about par for the course. However Ken's remarks seem to me to go further than Carol's appearance and to cover all older women. Particularly the "mutton dressed as lamb" comment which is just plain vicious and repellent and says more about the mind of the poster than Carol's dress sense. Exactly how would you like to see older women dress Ken? A nice jumper and below the knee pleated skirt in some dull and discreet colour perhaps?
When I see Carol on TV and in the flesh I am invariably struck by how well she carries her style choices off. Far from looking like mutton dressed as lamb she looks attractive and vibrant and personally I find it quite inspiring.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 34
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Don't be so soft Ken. Â
Sorry Obs, I'm really must give my self a good talking to. Maybe I'm at a difficult age. I'll harden up again for next season, and get back to my obnoxious best.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 35
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 24th October 2011
No need to harden up Ken. Just stay ypur usual analytical and objective self.
As for Carol's clothes I have to agree with Esmeralda that I generally like her sense of style and colour and I don't see why women have to dress their age any more than men do. Different styles suit different personalities and shapes. Uniformity is best left to schools and the armed forces.
EG is also quite right about DK and Christine. Double standards or what? Christine too has extensive knowledge to impart and I've liked her better on the bits she did at Chelsea and for the One Show but don't want her whooping round a garden playing at being a train or an aeroplane.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 36
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I agree about the remarks made about Christine by DK, but have to disagree with EG about Ken's remarks.I am a female and the same age as Carol.....I use the phrase Mutton dressed as Lamb and think that it is a trueism when applied to Carol's clothing of late.It is not mysogynist - it is a fact.I'm with Mary Portas on this one - dress for your age, don't ape your mother or your daughter - you won't look right. Carol is a very good gardener and needs no gimmicks, the sooner she realises this the better
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Message 37
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Just when I thought Montytrousergate could not be bettered!
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Message 38
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I am worried that when Sarah Raven's series starts focus will be on her clothes and not what she has to say.
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Message 39
Posted by Obelixx (U2157162) on Monday, 24th October 2011
As both are likely to be odd and out of tune with the average gardeners' style and budget, does it really matter.
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Message 40
Posted by Caradonna (U14447374) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Mary Portas? She dresses like a principal boy in panto herself and wants other women to wear bin bags with coloured tights.
I love Carol's style, one of the highlights of Chelsea this year was looking to see her outfits and she had some gorgeous ones. What she brings to the garden - a sense of colour and art, creating pictures with plants -she also brings to her look.
These days the presenters on all programmes are on screen much more than they used to be so everything about them gets examined and commented on.
What Christaine and Carol have in common (and I never thought I'd find anything) is the confidence to wear what they like and ignore what anyone else has to say. A good example for all women of all ages.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 41
Posted by Palaisglide (U3102587) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Nooj, imagine a much older Monty with much baggier trousers stuffed with knives secateurs the odd trowel "oh and flat cap" that is me in the garden or anywhere there could be mud clay wet soil or ponds. It must frighten the neighbours but that is me what I want to do.
When I am socialising it is smart trousers shirt tie and jacket and usually find myself overdressed among men in very long shorts and women wearing "err well hardly anything" does it matter? Only to some I would think.
I respect both Carol and Christine for being good gardeners and plants women, would I be happy with their gardens? well maybe not a bit too cluttered for my liking.
In this day and age we wear what we are comfortable with, modern trends are not for me and Carol dressed up for the big Garden shows is a picture, the same as me with muck and wet she dresses down and why not.
Surely we watch GW for the content of the programme at least I do.
PS Nooj I was looking at my files of the grand panto we ran a few years back, still amusing reading and from some, very inventive, great days.
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Message 42
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Ken your remarks are misogynistic and ageist .
I'm at a loss to understand just how you can deduce this from my remarks. I had a go at Monty Don a couple of weeks ago, for wearing what looked like his fathers togs - and I don't recall the flipside of your accusation coming my way. As far as age goes, I regret to advise you that Carol and I are approximately the same age, so I can't see how this assertion can hold up.
However Ken's remarks seem to me to go further than Carol's appearance and to cover all older women. Particularly the "mutton dressed as lamb" comment which is just plain vicious and repellent and says more about the mind of the poster than Carol's dress sense.Â
'Mutton dressed as Lamb' is a commonly used expression to describe just what we're discussing here. If it's all of a sudden vicious and repellent, then I must join the queue behind millions of others who have used the term frequently down the ages. It seems to fit the bill perfectly. As far as covering all older women, it's just not possible to take such a comment seriously - I'd probably get my ears boxed by my wife for starters.
When I see Carol on TV and in the flesh I am invariably struck by how well she carries her style choices off.Â
We get to the nub of it. Carol makes a 'style choice' when she appears before millions of people on TV, and only wears the torn jeans to attract comments from such as myself. Whereas she and you obviously feel she's a 'right on chick', some of us just see the sadness in it.Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 43
Posted by Lowena (U14575314) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I am worried that when Sarah Raven's series starts focus will be on her clothes and not what she has to say. Probably a good thing
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Message 44
Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I remember when Aly's use to get it in the neck because of the style of glasses she use to wear...........Seems only Nigel is safe.
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Message 45
Posted by Trillium (U2170869) on Monday, 24th October 2011
On that point, I'm rather impressed with Nigel. Good to see a lean, healthy, golden retriever (I think that's what he is), rather than a puffing overweight one.
Terrible table manners though...Link to this forum: Please some advise on how to do things correctly
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Message 46
Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Monday, 24th October 2011
If I may drag this topic back to the programme and away from the fashion police -just got round to watching this on i-player-cant really see what all the fuss is about-a rather pleasant 30 minutes -just checked the title- it is Gardeners World not a Gok Wan show
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Message 47
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Goodness! Dragging the bottom of barrel a bit here, aren't we?
My opinion of Christine Walkden (my goodness, all those years ago) has never wavered....I stand by every word.
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Message 48
Posted by Ken Smart (U1158196) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Look on the bright side David - your comments haven't been described as vicious and repellent. I've had to arrange counselling to help me over this crisis. I'm popping out the tent now - I may be gone some time.
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Message 49
Posted by David K (U14115317) on Monday, 24th October 2011
Not to worry, Ken....you are still one of the most respected posters on this message board.
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Message 50
Posted by nooj (U13729031) on Monday, 24th October 2011
I so agree about handsome Nigel
I wonder if he gets a special brushing before filming
As for the rest of it.
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