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Manure and Lime.

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  Posted by whatalottie (U9072847) on Thursday, 3rd March 2011

  You can't lime at the same time as manure because it reacts together and you loose all that nice nitrogenb how long do you have to leave well rotted manure before liming?
  
  I've had to change where I'm putting the cabbages because the manure I ordered was delivered onto that bed. (about 2 tons, it was my birthday present!).
  
  If I manure now and dig it in, how long do you think I should leave it before liming? Or do you think I shouldn't manure this year? There is quite a lot of organic stuff in the soil.
  
  If I transplant I guess I can leave it till late April (May?) so there is quite a long time for the nitrogen to get established in the soil if I manure now.
  
  Or do you think I can rely on those carpet circles to keep out the dreaded cabbage root fly? After all the cabbages don't actually need lime, it's the pest that's discourages by liming.
  
  Thanks, Lottie
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  Posted by Tee Gee (U10012255) on Thursday, 3rd March 2011

  You can't lime at the same time as manure because it reacts together and you loose all that nice nitrogenb 
  
  This is how I see it;
  
  Lime should not be applied at the same time as organic matter or fertilisers, it may cause the release of ammonia, which wastes nitrogen and may damage tender growth.
  
  how long do you have to leave well rotted manure before liming? 
  
  A few months! I dig in my muck in autumn and lime at planting out time as can be seen here;
  
  
  
  
  
  If I manure now and dig it in, how long do you think I should leave it before liming? Or do you think I shouldn't manure this year? There is quite a lot of organic stuff in the soil. 
  
  I have given my opinion on the first part in the first paragraph, and only you can decide whether to manure or not as you know the quality of your soil.
  
  As I don't plant out until May and was faced with your situation I would get the manure in now then at planting time apply the lime!
  
  
  Or do you think I can rely on those carpet circles to keep out the dreaded cabbage root fly?  
  
  I never use them I find they might keep the fly away but make a good hiding spot for slugs!
  
  I use Armillatox although Jeyes fluid is similar.
  
  I find this keeps root fly, slugs& snails,and cabbage whites away plus it helps with keeping club root at bay or under control!
  
  After all the cabbages don't actually need lime, it's the pest that's discourages by liming. 
  
  Sorry! but I have to disagree here! Lime is to control the soil pH not keep pests away! and as brassicas like a slightly alkaline soil compared with most other veg then liming is necessary ( subject to the current pH)
  
  I hope this reply helps you with your predicament!
  
  

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