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Posted by whatalottie (U9072847) on Wednesday, 9th March 2011
Someone on the board recommends Armillatox or Jeyes fluid to get rid of nasty bugs.
I understood thaty it not only kills bugs, but bacteria, fungi and other beneficial mini-beasts. I wonder what other people think?
Lottie
Neither product is approved as a pesticide and both are strictly cleaners. Armatillox makes this clear on their website.
Armillatox even prior to re-classification was not an insecticide it was a 'fungicide'
Now, as has been said; it is a cleansing agent.
Having said that; I am of the opinion it deters insects due to its smell.
Many insects are attracted to host plants e.g carrot fly to carrots, by smell so confusing them with an alternate smell can only be a good thing!
As I said this is only an opinion and has no scientific basis so far as I know!
If you phone the help line at where they make Armillatox they will send you the info on how it WAS USED before it got reclassed,and it was applied to the garden as a soil disinfectant....but I never used it then and don't use it now.
Whatsthemarrow...
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Posted by bogus the fungi man (U14705597) on Wednesday, 9th March 2011
Hello whatalottie,
Armillatox, Jeyes fluid, Bray's Emulsion, Creosote are all products that contain a varying concentration of tar oil. Tar oil kills fungi, insects, viruses, just about all micro fauna and is also known as a carcinogen. It is used (or was used) to preserve wood (fence panels etc.), clearing hen houses of red mite, killing Armillaria, foot baths against foot and mouth, winter washes in orchards and so on.
The EU is reducing the number of pesticides that we can legally us. Some think this is over reaction. When used correctly many think that these products have a just place in our armory.
The choice of how to use these products is written on the label. I can't advise you to use them any other way
Thanks Bogus,
Someone on the site was talking of trying out Jeyes Fluid to kill off carrotroot fly. I was fairly horrified but had no real reason I could give. Of course anyone can use what they like, but I think that they should know the implications. I've been trying to work out how to say that it's not a 'good thing' .
I think that from my point of view I'd say I'd rather not use it because of the damage it'll do to soil organisms. It's hardly healthy soil if there're no bugs, fungi and mini-beasts!
Anyone got a cure for carrotroot fly?
Lottie
The way to avoid carrot root fly is to cover the carrot bed with fleece or enviro mesh.
I was talking to some one at a craft fair last year. He was from Riverford organics, I asked how would they deter carrot root fly. They don't grow them on the farm in our area, they are grown in Southport but the deterant would be garlic wash.
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Posted by bogus the fungi man (U14705597) on Wednesday, 9th March 2011
The smell of tar oil is quite strong so it could be used to mask the smell of the carrot which the fly is attracted to. Low dosage spray would do this. Many things have been used to this effect: My father used comphor (moth balls) and paraffin.
Personally I LOVE the smell of Jeyes Fluid and Creosote! Don't know why. Always loved the smells of creosote being applied to fences. But I only use JF occasionally for cleaning my gardening pots and the dustbins and make sure I adhere to the instructions - in fact I use less than the recommended dose to be on the safe side.
madeleine
Well, don't tell anyone, but because they have such sensitive hooters, Jeye's Fluid is a great dog deterrer. We used to have problems with careless dog-owners bringing their dogs and using the area in front of our garages (public access) for toilet. We painted a line in JF across the access and the poo stopped from that day. We never even needed to renew it when the smell for us had gone.
I gave the greenhouse a good sluice with Jeyes last weekend. I was careful to remove all living green things first but it has left an incredibly strong smell. Hopefully this will go with time and not taint all the lovely things I have planned for the summer.
I am going to use a sulphur candle in my green house as I am told that is the best thing for removing bugs etc.
If the makers of both products were to pay MANY THOUSANDS of pounds then they could have their products certified for garden use, but it is not worth their while as they would not sell enough to us gardeners to cover the cost!
I still have leaflets from both products before they were removed from garden use, it is one teaspoon full per gallon of water watered over the soil, once a week!
And it is claimed that beneficial bactaria is increased many times over used this way!
By the way, it is also unlawful to use a squirt of household detergent in a watering can, to use in the garden.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!
, in reply to message 13.
Posted by bogus the fungi man (U14705597) on Saturday, 2nd April 2011
Sulphur candles work really well. I have used the type that has granules in a tin and a paper wick. Be careful though. I did what it said on the tin for a 6 x 8 and a cloud of suphur dioxide started to drift over the neighbouring gardens! I had to put my arm through the door and extinguish the fire with a watering can. Not a nice experience. I now place a couple of teaspoons of the granules on the lid and that suffices.
Mt greenhouse is up the allotment so I will light it just before I come home and leave it to burn itself away. Did it last year and it was ok.
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